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    I hung out with a custy otc, not in a sex way- just to watch a video.

    See, I'd always read that the money stops when you see the customer outside the club...but I thought "this guy is different!".

    He's been spending $200-400 a day on me for the last week, which is a boon since I'm in shitty Beaumont. He's obviously lonely, wanted to hang out, and I thought "hey, why not...if I keep him happy, he'll keep coming in!"

    Well, you can guess...he got handsy, I deflected, got annoyed, and asked to be taken home. He says "I won't be seeing you again, have a good life". Fucking drama queen!

    So, learn from my mistake.

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    Shiiiity! Was this your regular you were telling me about? That sooo sucks.

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    Default Re: Seeing a customer OTC messes up money

    that sucks, but you know...he was probably going to dump you anyway if that was his ultimate goal

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    That sucks, but I was going to say pretty much what Emily said. Bah shittyness.

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    Heheh, he came back in tonight. Still, close call, I won't do that again.

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    Default Re: Seeing a customer OTC messes up money

    Glad to hear things worked out for you. Guess he just couldn't stay away, Heheh.

    For others who might find this thread this I thought I link another on the topic with some good feedback:

    "Breaking up with a regular"
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74441
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    Sorry that happened to you, SV. From the custie standpoint, of course, a dancer sends a very mixed message when she allows an OTC meeting. Question: If this fellow hadn't been a big spender with you, would you have been as inclined to meet him OTC? I'm guessing not. So both sides (you and him) in this equation were seeking some unstated advantage. Tisk tisk.

    But glad he came back in; hope you retain him as a customer, following the awkwardness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver
    Heheh, he came back in tonight. Still, close call, I won't do that again.
    Yay!!! Thats cool

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    Chicagoeditor, I am so glad you wrote that. A girl at work was having a bad night because her regualr wont come see her anymore...same reason, she agreed to go boating with him and some buddies, well he hit on her, she delined, he felt hurt and embarrased so he wont come back.
    And now I ask her....What did you THINK would happen? Sweethearts, he's a guy, you're a hot chick, you essentially have been to second base with this guy and now you want him to act like everything is low key? VERY hard if not impossible to do. I'm not a guy and even I know that!

    As far as I can tell, it's this simple, if you want your money to stop, make the guy your friend outside the club.

    But live and learn right?




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    Even better: I've been pals with dancers I met OTC initially. When I came in--after asking first if this would be okay--in two instances they wouldn't give me a dance, explaining: "We're friends. It wouldn't be right." Doh! This puts me in the awkward position of giving money to another dancer, a stranger, when in fact I'd rather give it to my pal. (In one case I got around this by tipping her a dance amount when she was working the stage. Incidentally, it seems that tipping a dancer $20 when she's on stage causes the other guys in the club to perk up; my pal did exceedingly well that night, she told me.)

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    ^^^ You deserve VERY big hugs for that!!!!




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    Guys like that spend chunks of money on you in the first place because they are trying to butter you up to see them OTC. Most guys want to develop an OTC relationship with a girl they like anyway.

    This is the type of guy that would not have lasted as a long term platonic spender anyway whether you saw him OTC or not.

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    Yes, I know you guys are right. I wouldn't have met him OTC if he wasn't a big spender. But, I DID clarify with him about a million times that he was not to try to make any advances! I guess he thought I was joking or being coy or something

    No big deal either way, I'm going home tomorrow, YAY!!!

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    It's not valid to generalize, but sometimes it's helpful to anyway.

    I had a couple friendly OTC meetings with a past fave. I thought we were meeting on the basis of friendship. She did get very flirty with me on one of the meetings, which I took to be her normal charming way. It wasn't until later that I thought, "I wonder if she meant....." So I'm dense. Anyway, nothing happened except that we had a nice friendly time, we still did business in the club because I respect people's need to make money at work, she quit dancing, and she moved on.

    But I think that's the exception. It's safer to generalize: if a guy is looking for OTC, he's ultimately looking for nookie.





    Later edit: Sorry, I wasn't trying to elbow in on Stripping General. This was in Hustle Hut when I posted.
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    Default Re: Seeing a customer OTC messes up money

    yeah, generalizations are bad but they have some value.

    I probably spend more usually on the girls I know otc but there are some I've never seen otc that I still drop a lot of money on. Then again this is a small town and I run into dancers otc all the time anyway and perhaps also I'm not the typical customer.

    I'd agree that almost always the guy is probably hoping to get into your pants and when you see him otc and it becomes clear to him that it won't happen, it will probably mess with your money. But you never know, the one dancer who I really did want to get into her pants, once we started hanging out otc and it became clear to me it wouldnt happen, it didnt change anything... everyone and every situation is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver
    Yes, I know you guys are right. I wouldn't have met him OTC if he wasn't a big spender. But, I DID clarify with him about a million times that he was not to try to make any advances! I guess he thought I was joking or being coy or something
    Let me first say that $200 - $400 a day does not qualify him as a "big spender." I just came off a weekend where that was the waitstaff take (sorry, I normally do not talk about this, but it's germane to this discussion.) I do admire his consistency, though, if he was showing up in the club every day.

    It's not entirely true that meeting a guy OTC will mean an end to your money. Many girls use this as a way to maintain or increase money and they are very good at it. This presumes, of course, that the guy is following their lead and is not pushing his own agenda.

    Next time, instead of meeting the guy one-on-one, try going out with several dancers from the club in a public arena and see where your comfort level takes you. If the guy gets handsy in public, you will know what you need to without having to deal with the private discomfort you've described.

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    TOO, not to be contrary, but I've been in plenty of clubs where $200-400/night from a regular would be big money. In fact, more than the otherwise expected take for the night. It's all relative.

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    ^ Well, you're right of course, but ultimately "everything is relative," so let's just say that I like to frequent clubs where we work on the upper end of the relative scale.

    I also think that the amount of money involved may actually have an inverse influence on anticipated behavior. I could make a very good argument in defense of this, but it would involve disclosing things that we generally keep off the public boards. And that, in the end, is a wonderful thing.

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    If I'm following the inverse proportionality rule you're alluding to, I agree, and I think it's on-topic for this thread.

    A guy with $300 in his pocket in a club where $200 is a big night might expect to get high mileage for his $300.

    A guy with $15,000 in his pocket or the GDP on his AmEx might go to the $1200/hr VIP and expect to get a perfect-teeth smile and a quick-witted comment for $300.

    But scarlett's statement is that in this club, $200-400 is indicative of a big spender, and I think we should take the lady at her word for the corner of the world that she's in at the moment.

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    ^ Far be it from me to contradict Scarlett in her corner of the world.

    On the larger stage the rules are often different, which was the point of my original post.

    The really true "big spenders" are in fact likely to be your safest bets. What they spend on you in the club is likely to be a fraction of what is spent overall.

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    Ooook, TOO...I understand that you have money, you've made that abundantly clear in all your posts. Congratulations.

    But anyways, $200-400 a day within a 2 hour period (not for the whole night) IS big money for me, especially since it's daily, AND I'm travelling in a small town right now, where that amount equals most girls' daily take.

    But even if I was at home, or in Vegas or whatever, I'd consider it a significant contribution. It's all relative, but that amount is significant to 99% of people, strippers included. Would it be better if I said 2k a week? Or is that still pennies? If so, send those pennies over here, I've got tuition to pay.

    Let me first say that $200 - $400 a day does not qualify him as a "big spender." I just came off a weekend where that was the waitstaff take
    "everything is relative," so let's just say that I like to frequent clubs where we work on the upper end of the relative scale.
    Oh la la. Do you even realize what a prick you're being? You need to get over yourself.
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    I would certainly consider anyone who spent 1400-2800$ on a weekly basis as a highly prized customer, in terms of their value to any individual dancer, or even the vast majority of clubs.

    We're talking almost 300,000$ a year, which isn't chump change if it's one of multiple customers being cultivated.
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    It's strange-sometimes the money stops once you see a regular outside the club and sometimes it doesn't. I once went out to lunch with one of my regular customers, let's call him Jeff. Jeff spent a lot of money on me in the club and acted like a gentleman, but once I went out to lunch with him, he became SO annoying. Pressuring me to come back to his place for sex or get a hotel room with him, etc. I told him he was a great guy but that I just started dating someone from my hometown so I couldn't do that. Well, he got all pissy and didn't come in the club for a long time. He started coming back in again, but now he only buys one or two dances from me instead of 10 or more like he used to.

    Another regular of mine (I'll call him Mike) is in an unhappy marriage. Him and his wife have no children. From what he said, him and his wife aren't fighting, but they never do anything together anymore. I don't mean just sex, but going out to eat, dates, just hanging out and watching TV, etc. It's kind of sad. I took him out to eat and out for drinks on his birthday, and he mentioned that was the only thing he was doing for his birthday all day. I don't know why he doesn't just get a divorce. Probably because he has a pretty high-profile job and he thinks being divorced will hurt his image somehow.

    Anyway, I hang out with Mike on a regular basis outside the club and he still comes in the club and spends just as much money, if not more, than he did before I ever saw him outside the club. He has never once pressured me for sex or even tried to kiss me. It's like a normal friendship, except that he comes into the club and buys lapdances from me. When I had a boyfriend, he knew I had a boyfriend, and he still took me shopping and spent over $300 on me (which may not be a lot of money to some of you, but it is to me.) He also went to a car show with me and my boyfriend at the time, and afterwards, he took both of us out for dinner and drinks. We've been hanging out for about three years, so you think if he was going to try something on me, he would've tried it by now. I think he is just lonely and looking for more people to hang out with. He is such a nice guy and his wife sounds like a bitch.

    I guess what I am trying to say is use your own judgment. Some customers will stop the money flow once you see them outside the club and others will continue to spend money on you. Scarlett, the guy you were talking about said he was never going to see you again, but he came into the club again anyways. Hopefully he will continue to spend money on you inside the club.

    TOO, $200-400 may not be a lot of money to you, but it is to me. There is not a lot of earning potential at most WI clubs. That is what most girls here make in one shift. Many times we make less. I am thrilled when a customer spends that much on me.

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    Yep, everything is certainly relative.

    Around these parts (and Beaumont sounds a lot like these parts), if a new customer hits the century mark with a dancer in a single trip, he's clearly made a positive impression. If he hits the quarter-K ($250) mark he's made her estatic. At the half-K ($500) mark, he's almost certain to get the dancer's phone number.

    If he spends any more than that, she's probably going to ask to at least see his tiproll, because sales like that come along so seldomly that it seems too good to be true.
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    I think though you couldn't have messed up too bad, Scarlett. I had a regular who spent about the same amount (yes, a lot to me too!) and it got to the point where he'd spend our entire time together begging me to see him OTC. And when that failed, he'd try to use some fancy rhetoric to trick me into somehow agreeing to meet him OTC (haha, little did he know dumb blondes like me are never quick enough to follow such complicated semantics). He was full on fucking obsessed.

    I never did do it. He even said "oh Hell, bring your boyfriend, bring your dad, I don't care! Just have lunch with me!!" (he refused to believe I was single). And eventually when I wouldn't see him OTC, he went away. They only last so long no matter what, seems to me.

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