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    when trying to sell a custy on a VIP room...

    I never know what to say when he's asking "what's the point of VIP anyway?" or "why should I get a room?" or "what goes on in there that we can't do down here?" or my personal favorite... "will i be able to get off?"

    Help?

    it's like my mind just goes blank...hell, not only do I not know what to say in response to that; I really don't even know what to do in the room to keep someone entertained for a half hour once we're there! The few times I've been upstairs, it seemed like time was crawling! I mean, besides just dancing for them like I would do during a regular lapdance...what is there to do in VIP?

    Yes, I did do a search...I imagine this has been discussed before...but nothing came up that really answered this. Got plenty of "how to get them into VIP" threads, but whenever I try that, one of the above questions is always thrown at me and i have no idea how to answer that. I mean, the only real difference upstairs is that custys can touch us...

    I feel like after nearly a half year of doing this I should be better at selling VIP rooms. I can hustle lapdances till the cows come home, but still have had pathetic luck getting rooms. For those of you who have been dancing for years, how long did it take you to start getting rooms consistently? And what the hell do you DO up there to keep them entertained and not feeling ripped off?

    Am I over-thinking this?
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    Tell him that its quieter and both of you will have more privacy in the VIP room. As for what to do, you are supposed to pretend to be interested in him and make stimulating conversation. Does the club have custies charge by the hour if they have a dancer sit with them? If so, then this is where you can make real money. Not from dancing, but from just sitting and conversating with him.

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    If you go into VIP does the club take you off their stage set rotation?

    Is it generally quieter in there than out on the floor?

    Are there more comfortable lounge chairs in VIP vs. the seats on the floor?

    All of these can be reasons for a customer to join you in VIP.

    When a customer asks: "what's the point of VIP anyway?" or "why should I get a room?" You can say that it's less noisy then out on the floor, there's more privacy and it will be easier to get to know each other. You can try to sell the comfort factor by saying you'll be better able to kick back and relax with no distractions and no one will be able to pull you away. He'll have your undivided attention! ... You can also say something along the lines of that it's easier for you to give a great dance and he'll be able to really enjoy the dance when neither of you have to worry about counting songs.

    If the customer goes on to ask questions like these: "what goes on in there that we can't do down here?" or "will i be able to get off?"

    Well then they may just be more trouble than what their worth. In some places there are legitimately some advantages to VIP, which you can certainly sell. Once they get into the question of "getting off" it may be time to go prospecting elsewhere.
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    ^^^ Exactly right. If the guy has his heart set on "getting off" then he's not worth taking to VIP. It's ALMOST a guarantee that any guy who goes to VIP wants to get off, but most know what the deal is.

    Point out all the perks like verfolgung (that took me two tries to type right!) wrote, and then tell him how much you really want to go with him, to be more intimate with him, how much fun you are having with him...make it all about him, I think they like that!

    What to do in there for all that time? Chit chat, ask him questions, get him talking, dance, break dance break, etc....chew up the time but try to have some fun with it! Otherwise is it really worth it?

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    You give them the "girlfriend experience" like you're on a date or actually "going steady". That was my first real big sell was this guy and I totally hit it off and we said all night to everyone that "we were going steady" and we pretended all night about all the places we were going to go see, he was going to take me to Paris and then to Italy and then we'd sail out in the sunset and relax in our jacuzzi tub at the Ritz Carlton.......... For those types of customers, that's how you keep them in there for several hours and that makes the time fly faster and much easier than having to dance constantly and fight off the octupus arms.

    If a guy asks me "what he gets in there" I won't go unless I'm on the verge of taking home $45 for the night because it's not worth fighting him off and getting grobed, just not worth it!

    See if there's a dancer at your club you can buddy up with, it might help you learn or ask some of the girls. I know there's a lot of girls that can be cut throat but not always, there's some girls at my club that are great and help you and give you tips, that's how I've learned, this one girl especially, she's great, she was so sweet to give me selling CD's to listen to!

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    things like.. "you get 100% of my attention"
    "you get me allll to yourself, theres no bodies prying eyes, just me and you!"
    "oh its so much more INTIMATE"
    "i get to drink back there! i loove champagne..it makes me crazy" (i'm actually
    underage and sit back there drinking orange juice and sprite)

    if he asks what he gets back there just be vague about it .."much more intimate dances, in a much more private atmosphere!" if he asks about bjs or something just say "of course you know that this is a strip club and not a brothel":: smile sweetly:: lol..good luck!
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    You need to make your lapdances less "good" and make your vip dances better. Then sell them on the fact that the vip dance is better and they can touch you. If you give away the farm for the cheaper price, of COURSE there's no incentive for them to pay the higher price. So don't do the best dance for a regular dance - save it for the vip. You may do fewer dances but you want to be in vip instead, so that's kinda the point.

    When selling the guy, make the regular lapdance sound ok, but the vip fantastic. "The reeeeaallly hot dances are in vip." etc.

    If they ask if they are going to get off in vip, that's your signal to move on to the next dude because they are looking for sex and if you aren't providing that you are wasting your time trying to sell him on what he doesn't want.

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    Hehehe, Carmen, I usually tell the guy he has to keep his horse in the barn, other wise the cock of the hen house might get REAL mad!





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    Default Re: VIP room cluelessness

    i was wondering about answers to these questions, too.

    thanks for the tips!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    You need to make your lapdances less "good" and make your vip dances better. Then sell them on the fact that the vip dance is better and they can touch you. If you give away the farm for the cheaper price, of COURSE there's no incentive for them to pay the higher price. So don't do the best dance for a regular dance - save it for the vip. You may do fewer dances but you want to be in vip instead, so that's kinda the point.
    If you're going to use this tactic, make sure you let the customer know about it otherwise he may think your VIP dances are no more spectacular than your floor dances. If you're going to intentionally tone-down your floor dances then it could be perceived that you don't deliver good dances anywhere.

    Carmen hit the nail on the head though. The best thing to say is more intimate. It's a lot better sounding than "private" as it taps into an emotional response rather than a logical one. A great follow-up line is, "...and you won't have any prying eyes from other guys watching me give you the most amazing set of dances you've ever had in your entire life!" A lot of my research has shown that asking guys in clubs what they hate the most about the experience is when they get a dance and some dufus next to them is getting a free show. So by tapping into that, you've taken away the reisistance to something that you already know might be in his head.

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    I specifically SAID you sell him on the fact your vip dances are better and there's more contact.

    Alot of guys WON'T buy vip if they get the good dances on the floor - why should they when they just got the whole enchilada for $20??? They want to know they're getting something more for their $200+ than the schmuck who only spent $20, ya know?

    And if a guy buys a vip from a girl who does a stellar lapdance, thinking she'll be even hotter in vip, and she does the same dances in vip, he feels cheated and won't spend that money on her again.

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    bridgette: that seems so obvious, but I've never thought of it like that! Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    I specifically SAID you sell him on the fact your vip dances are better and there's more contact.
    It's okay Bridgette...take a deep breath...count to ten...relax. It's okay. No need to get so upset here. I just didn't interpret your email right. My bad.

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    Who's upset? sheesh man

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    VIP and/or Champagne Room is where customers who "like" you pay you to sit around and talk and flirt with them. I don't try to sell a CR unless the customer is giving signs that (a) he enjoys talking to me and spending time with me and (b) has the money.

    With a customer like this, it's pretty easy to get them to bite on the experience of "getting to know you." You have to pick up on what they might like about the VIP. Some guys like the exclusivity of it, or getting out of the club bustle, or the illusion that they are on a date with you, etc. I sell on things like "Let's go somewhere more intimate"..."Let's go somewhere where we can get to know each other"..."It's too loud to talk out here, let's go back where it's quiet"..."Let's go somewhere where we won't have everybody staring at us." And so on.

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    yep, this works especially well on busy nights when its freakin chaos on the floor!
    "wow it is SO loud out here, lets go somewhere nice and quiet so we can relax"
    lol...i lov coming up with creative lines...to bad i always seem to loose them once i'm actually selling. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    VIP and/or Champagne Room is where customers who "like" you pay you to sit around and talk and flirt with them. I don't try to sell a CR unless the customer is giving signs that (a) he enjoys talking to me and spending time with me and (b) has the money.

    With a customer like this, it's pretty easy to get them to bite on the experience of "getting to know you." You have to pick up on what they might like about the VIP. Some guys like the exclusivity of it, or getting out of the club bustle, or the illusion that they are on a date with you, etc. I sell on things like "Let's go somewhere more intimate"..."Let's go somewhere where we can get to know each other"..."It's too loud to talk out here, let's go back where it's quiet"..."Let's go somewhere where we won't have everybody staring at us." And so on.
    Yep. The majority of them still want to feel they're "getting something" for that extra money though. Which is why I advise NOT doing your best dances on the floor.

    But the guys who REALLY spend the money in vip, getting multiple hours, are usually the LEAST interested in the dances and more into the company. That's where you need to know how to win a gentleman over with your charm, personality, wit, etc. It's a bit more subtle than the regular dance or single vip hustle (more sophisticated, at least for me), but totally worth it.

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