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    I work at a club where there is no set rate for CR or VIP. Customers pay a fee to the club to sit in the room, but if you want to get paid for your time, you have to negotiate it. I've gotten fairly good at this, but I still have some questions.

    I'm not sure what to charge. In a way it's nice that there's no set rate, because that allows you to adjust your pricing according to the night and the customer. But then again, I'm really not sure what to ask for. I usually charge $100/hr, since this is about what I could make in an hour on a good night if I were busting my ass. I know this is less than customers pay for CRs in a lot of places, but then again, factor in the room fee, so he is paying between $125-150 for me+room. Also, I don't pay a cut to the club. I'm also just afraid that the guy will balk if I charge too much. I don't worry as much with out-of-town guys, since they may not even know that the club has no set rates, but anyone who has been there before knows that some girls don't even charge for their time.

    I'm also not sure *when* to bring up the issue of what I want to be paid. I like to get the guy excited about the prospect of the room first -- how much fun it's going to be, or how quiet and intimate, or how we're going to get to know each other so much better, or what have you -- before I start naming hard figures. Usually the guy just gets right up and follows me without asking for a price, and then it's awkward once we get back there and I have to tell him that this is not going to be free. This part might be easier in a club with set rates that customers were familiar with, or if there were somebody who's job was to take the money. But this part is up to me, and I don't always know how to handle it.

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    You could start acting as if you worked in a club that had a CR with set rates. When he asks for or buys a dance, you can ask him, "Would you like table dances here on the main floor, or lap dances in the VIP?" He'll ask what the difference is and you can then run down your price list. When I worked in Austin I would say something like "Well, we can do table dances out here for $20 or we can go back to VIP and do them by time," then state prices. I would vary my prices based on the customer and what I thought I could sell him on -- you're right that it's hard to charge them $300 an hour but you can charge a rate that is more than what you could earn on the floor. You could say, "It's $100 an hour plus dances," or "It's $300 an hour which includes all of your dances," or whatever you think you can get. Or you could simply charge extra by the dance -- say $30 or $40 instead of $20. It should come relatively early so you don't have an awkward situation, but hey, don't feel awkward anyway -- they know it isn't free!

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    I don't think anyone should ever do a room for less than $200/hr, and that's still cheap. Most CRs cost a whole lot more than that. Hell in most places I've been a half hour is $200+. You sell him on the fact that he gets his dances included in the price.

    If they just get up and start heading back there without even asking about a price, then of course you should bring it up either on the way or as soon as you get to vip. Preferably before he pays for the room so he's not thinking he gets you plus the room for the $25-50 he paid to the club. I worked in a club like that once and I'd often just charge by the dance back there, and make sure I did enough dances to make it worth my while. But really, unless the guys are really dense or cheap, if they are getting up and going back there before even talking price then it seems to me you've got it made!!

    If you want to charge for your time then tell him for $x amount he gets x time and his dances are included during that time. I know it's kinda weird trying to negotiate time in a club that doesn't have any system for that, but it's cool because you can negotiate whatever you can get instead of settling for some lame-ass price the club sets.

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    Grace,
    This was my approach at your club. For a while, they had a seperate CR from VIP, which I liked a lot. VIP is often used by regulars to sit around and waste space. The CR was for dances. Now its in the front of VIP, technically, and not as good.

    I would charge $150 for half an hour. That's about the equivalent for non-stop dances at 3 minutes a piece. I would also count time by the # of dances that way. Thus, if they wanted to continue after 30, we could do another 30. BUT, if they just wanted to waste my time after that, I could move onto the next guy. Usually they would go with about an hour.

    If they were really sweet, I would give them time without charging, or an extra dance extending beyond my set time. Also, if they were super gropers, I wouldn't have to offer them more time. Good luck!

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    $100 dollars seems a little unfair... when i do vip rooms its $300 an hour.. i would at least negotiate $200..

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    Yes, $100 an hour is probably too cheap. I've actually asked for and gotten more before, when the guy was clearly loaded. I don't know I'm so convinced that customers won't pay more. I guess I just have to try and see. Thanks, guys.

    Katrine: Not sure how it used to be, but the CR is still seperate from VIP. If you were to walk past the door to VIP and keep going toward the back bar, that back room is the CR now. I agree that VIP's in Austin are for space-wasters trying to impress their friends. I don't waste much time back there unless asked.

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    I wish I worked in a club like that because I'd charge a heck of a lot more! One thing I say when we first get started is something to this effect "I really hate talking about money so why don't we get this part of it taken care of so we can get the real fun started" or "I need to talk a little business with you, will you be paying cash or credit for my time? then after he answers you say, I charge $250 per hour and as club policy that's to be paid up front" then after he says ok, then you say "Ok, let's get this party started" or something like that. NEVER be afraid to talk about money, it's YOUR money and only YOU will make sure you get it all!!!

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    That's the way it is here, sorta, the dancer pays $50 out of whatever she charges, but the price is up to her. However, there is sort of an unwritten rule not to charge under 200. Most try for 300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo
    Yes, $100 an hour is probably too cheap. I've actually asked for and gotten more before, when the guy was clearly loaded. I don't know I'm so convinced that customers won't pay more. I guess I just have to try and see. Thanks, guys.

    Katrine: Not sure how it used to be, but the CR is still seperate from VIP. If you were to walk past the door to VIP and keep going toward the back bar, that back room is the CR now. I agree that VIP's in Austin are for space-wasters trying to impress their friends. I don't waste much time back there unless asked.
    Don't judge a book by his cover, treat every guy you take back to the CR like he's loaded and stick to a higher price than normal, try like 300 and when you know thats what your going to ask for you'll be confident and it will show. Try it and let me know how it works.

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    Always start at a really high price and end at a medium. Seriously, after exchange rate I'm STILL making MORE per hour than your VIP doing regular lapdances here! I would at least start at $400 per hour. When they think that's expensive go down. Do not budge after $200.

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    You all must understand the dynamics of this club. Only certain customers would even be willing to go there. I just preferred working the hell out of the room unless I got a gem.

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    I agree with lilithmorgan, start high and bargain down. You never if the guy might go for the high number. If he balks, tell him you'll make a special deal just for him and lower the price. It's a common tactic. I used it when I worked mall kiosks as a sales girl.

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    i never set a roll-my-own vip rate less than 200 for an hour. if they wouldn't pony up for an hour, i would go 100-150 for 15-30 mins, sometimes higher, but generally around there. if i was selling time and not going by the dance.

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    OMG, You are worth so much more than that! Not every customer (and some nights you will have zero customers) are interested in paying by the hour. Feel them out, and then offer a fee equal to Katrine's as a minimum. Why would you sell them the Nordstroms goods at a Walmart price? It's a diservice to yourself and the other girls to lower the value of your VIPs compared to floor dances. If they don't have enough to pay $250+ an hour, then you can just empty their pockets doing regular dances and move onto the next guy who might. Once you start believing you are worth it, your clients will too. You're way too smart and capable to accept less.

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    OK, thanks for the encouragement and kicks in the ass, ladies. I think I've been willing to accept a lowball rate because (a) I've been really poor most of my life, and I'm still not used to the idea that for some people $100 is nothing and (b)I'm lazy, and if I can get paid to sit on my ass, I'll go for it. Still, I'm psyched that you all think I could get paid more to sit on my ass.

    And yeah, like Katrine, I usually just work in the room like mad and don't worry about VIP unless someone is dead set on "getting to know me." Also, although I do set a low price, I've never had anyone leave after just an hour. Usually they spend the rest of the night back there with me and I make $400+. If I charge more, they may leave sooner, but I guess that just leaves me to get back out on the floor.

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    I don't think I would like a club that allowed the girls to set their own prices...because then there would be girls selling an hour for $100 (no offense Grace, I'm not picking on you!), making it tough for me to get the $250/hr MINIMUM that I would charge.

    Last club I was at had sort of set prices: you had to charge at least $200 per half hour, and at least $360/hour. When I bitched abou the fees ($80 and $150), they told me I could charge whatever I wanted. I was like "yeah, but who's going to buy when the other girls are charging less?". I ended up doing $200 half hours and $400 hours; basically just selling half hours in multiples.

    But I don't think I'd work somewhere like that again. I don't like it when undercutting is basically encouraged. Grace, you really should charge more. To put it simply, if you charge 100% more ($200), you'll probably only lose a percentage of your customers. As long as it's less than 50% (which I'm certain it would be), you'll still come out ahead by charging more.

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    ^I agree, and yes your math does check out. In my defense, as Katrine will vouch for, many if not most girls do not ask to be paid for conversation at all, so I don't feel too much guilt about undercutting. The standard MO at this club, from what I hear, is to sit with a guy all night on the hope that he will "take care of you." I hear at least one girl a night bitching in the dressing room about spending four hours with a customer who then tipped her $40. When the guys are used to this kind of thing, some get pissy about being asked to agree to a set amount at all, and a few have outright accused me of "being all about the money" and ruining their good time, etc. But usually these are the ones who would rip you off anyway, so no loss there.

    Tammy, I'd love to know what rate you set, if any, for conversation time. That would give more of a gauge of what's going on. I certainly don't want to be undercutting you, darlin.

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    Between $250-400. Also, I don't consider it conversation time, but time together without having to count songs and "sit" if they like. I started charging $200 when I first started, but moved the price up once I learned to sell it and negotiate for more. I think your presentation of the offer is REALLY important too. Be confident, and approach different customers with different techniques. Take care of your negotiating asap too, or else he'll think you're time is less valuable. It's hard sometimes to believe that our time is worth that much with our insecurities, but people are paying it, so we must be ; )

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    In my defense, as Katrine will vouch for, many if not most girls do not ask to be paid for conversation at all, so I don't feel too much guilt about undercutting. The standard MO at this club, from what I hear, is to sit with a guy all night on the hope that he will "take care of you." I hear at least one girl a night bitching in the dressing room about spending four hours with a customer who then tipped her $40.
    Cool! That's an awesome opportunity for you to make money then. Your competition is cut down by all these girls staying off the floor entertaining one guy.

    When the guys are used to this kind of thing, some get pissy about being asked to agree to a set amount at all, and a few have outright accused me of "being all about the money" and ruining their good time, etc. But usually these are the ones who would rip you off anyway, so no loss there.
    Exactly. They're not worth it. I was in a small town for 2 weeks, and every other guy told me my hustle was too aggressive and that I needed to 'take it easy'. But, they still bought, so what do I care?? They might enjoy hanging out with the other girls more, but I got money and grudging respect, so I win, lol.

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