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    Default no thanks, it's just a tease

    (warning: venting ahead...)

    "a lapdance is just a tease, i can't even get off so what's the point?"
    "i don't wanna pay money just to get teased, it's torture not being able to touch"
    "i couldn't handle being teased, it's too frustrating"

    etc, etc, etc....


    THEN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU IN A STRIP CLUB?!!!!!!!! just so you can sit and have a beer and watch naked girls on stage for absolutely free? strippers are expensive, therefore if you only have enough money to afford drinks, go take your ass to a regular bar to drink because you cannot afford strippers.

    i don't know if it's just the group of cheapskates who frequent my club, but i hear these lines probably every single night, sometimes multiple times per night. i also hear lines like "oh i'm not a lapdance kind of guy, i never get them"...

    i get so freaking mad at these types of guys. i feel like asking them if they tip their waitress when they go to a restaurant? it may not be MANDATORY, but is the classy thing to do if you were pleased with their service. if waitresses didn't get tipped they'd make no money and wouldn't be waiting on you, meaning you wouldn't be EATING. just like you wouldn't be sitting there in the club staring at my tits. YOU PAY FOR SERVICES. so instead of rambling about how beautiful i am and how i'm such a good entertainer, show your appreciation and PAY ME. it happens all the time.... guys will try to talk to me and go on and on about how i'm the prettiest girl in the club and how amazing my stage show was, and i spend the whole night getting complimented and hit on but they "couldn't handle being teased" and "dont ever buy dances" so i go home with 2 dollars. recently i got so pissed off... some guy was saying i was sooo hot and must make $1000 every day!!! then he had the balls to ask me how much money i made that day, and i was like "10 fucking dollars!!!!" (and it was the truth) and he acted all baffled. i know it's a HUGE no-no to bitch about your lack of money, but the guy had already turned me down for dances and kept doting on me and being annoying, so i freaked out. it was an exceptionally bad night.

    is there ANYTHING i can say to these guys after they bust out one of their cheapskate lines? is there anything i can say to a cheap guy to make him buy a dance and spend money WITHOUT promising him that he can touch me? i've even had guys start arguments with me... "20 dollars just to leave the room more frustrated than i was before???! you have to make it worth the money" and they start trying to persuade me into "bending the rules" and letting them touch. nowadays guys think they can get a BJ for $20 (their life fortune!!!), so it is ridiculously hard for a clean girl to make anything.

    i am worried that no hustling tip in the world can make a brokeass creep spend money. i would normally just move on to the next guy, but my club has been so dead that sometimes the only people in the entire club are just a group of these cheapskates. it gets ridiculous... sometimes the club even looks pretty busy, but then you see all the girls gradually give up and sit around talking to eachother, because they already hustled all the guys in the club and nobody had any money. on many nights, it's just a matter of doing your stage shows and getting stared at all night long for free. volunteer work.

    it's sad and frustrating. there's got to be something i can do. the strip club business isn't so hot right now... i guess the economy isn't so hot right now...
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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    I am curious if anyone has any good answers as well. I remember getting this all the time. Yes, it is frustrating.

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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    (Going into "coach" mode here...)

    When something goes well for a person, he or she tends to attribute it to their personal qualities. When things go poorly, they blame external things. That's human nature. Sounds like you're blaming externals here.

    You may very well be in a bad situation. Don't know about Michigan, but nationwide the economy is doing very well (gas down to $2, NYSE just hit a record high). Here in S.C. the clubs seem to be doing pretty well. The dancer I know best makes about $500 a night (I suspect this is more than the average, however.)

    Are you using the various techniques the girls talk about on these boards? Chatting up the customers, and GENUINELY being interested in what they have to say (you can't fake this, everyone can sniff this out)? Using the right techniques to ask for the dances (make it a statement, not a question, leading them by the hand, being very self-confident, etc.).? Talking for a sufficient amount of time before asking?

    If none of this is working, you may be at the wrong club. Some clubs have a lot of dancers who get really friendly very easily. If this is your competition, and you don't want to do this, you need to be at a more upscale club. Does your town have these?

    FWIW, you are very pretty. If I were nearby I'd come buy some dances from you.

    Good luck.

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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    Quick follow up to my previous post...

    Regarding those customer excuses, they're just that ... excuses. Don't take them literally. If he really wants a dance from a stripper who knows all the tricks to make him want one, he will buy one.

    Also, are you taking the first "no" as final? The salesmanship rule is to re-phrase the question a bit and ask 2 more times. The third "no" should be considered final.

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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    A few things to assess here. First, don't make a universal statement that may not be completely true. Just because it's true for you, doesn't make it true for everyone. So the ultimate question is are all the dancers in your club going home with $20.00 every night. Of course I am in reference to the dancers, like yourself, who ware not doing extras etc. If EVERY dancer is unable to make more than $50.00 a night, then it's a club issue. If some dancers are going home with $300.00 and you're going home with $20.00, then it's your issue.
    When we can best identify what the source of the challenge is, then we can better come up with a solution on how to make it better.

    So, if some dancers are doing well and you are not, there is some portion of your presentation that is causing the guys to not open wallets. Now, factually, the economy in Michigan is extremely depressed right now. Has been for years. I did a recent speaking engagement in Detroit and every single speaker's closing ratios were about 40% of what they were in any other part of the country short of Dallas (where the economy is also very depressed right now). So, not to blame the economy, that could be a small factor...that guys have a smaller budget to spend then normal.

    Now, whenever I get a lot of similar types of resistance from one group or demographic, I don't write it off, I examine the reason closer. In other words, if 20 of your customers in one night all said, "I'm not into being teased" then there is obviously something you are saying or doing that is making them draw that conclusion. It's one thing for one or two customers a night say that, it's another when virtually all of them do. I guarantee you that all the customers in the club do not conspire before they go in to all say, "Okay guys, let's all say that the dancers tease us too much and not buy anything." ...It just doesn't happen.

    So if you're getting that type of resistance a lot, then there is something that we need to examine in your pitch that is getting that reaction. So the fist step is to understand that you're already doing something to trigger this, so cut it off before it is even said. Rather than your customers say they don't want to be teased, you need to tell them before that ever comes up in conversation that being teased is why your dances are so much fun, and how they are going to have an awesome time tonight because of it, etc. Don't look at this as a means of losing sales, rather you need to change your sales presentation to take advantage of it.

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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    I think the teasing response is from guys who are either trying to hint that they want extras, or are used to getting extras at other clubs and know that you don't do them at your club. I get this response every once in a while. Usually I'll say something like, "Well it gives you a lot of good memories!"

    There's a possibility that there are other girls willing to do more than you, and the customer is saying this to find out if you're one of those girls. If that's the case, then you should tell the customer how good your dance is even without extras. "My dances are so good that I don't have to do those things, and I still have guys asking for more dances."

    I hear you on the cheap guys though. We have plenty of them in my club. Worse is that we encourage broke guys to come in by giving them "VIP parties" where they get in for free, drink for free, and then leave, without buying dances. Ugh. Don't get me started on that.

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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    i would say that $200 a night is respectable for my club. it isn't too hard to make that on weekends, but on weekdays $100 (or under) can be pretty common. it gets sooooo slow. the night that i freaked out on that guy and only made $10, other girls reported earnings in the $40-$60 range. so yeah, i was doing REALLY bad, but nobody else was doing good.

    my club is actually the cleanest club in the city and i am one of the cleanest girls there. i've seen a few girls be a bit naughty (boob-touching, sucking on the guys ear) but i highly doubt there are BJ's or any serious extras going on, because the VIP is very well watched and the club is strict about it. the other clubs in the city are REALLY dirty, so i think maybe the customers just expect it everywhere? cuz when i inform them that they can't touch me, a lot of them are like "WHAT?" as if they've never heard of that before.

    also i am not too good at hustling and that's why i've been hanging out here and reading these forums religiously. i usually sit with the guy for 1-2 songs max. i usually take their hand (read that tip in hustle hut ) and usually respond to the whole "i don't wanna be teased" line with my own line that goes something like this: "i'll definitely tease ya.. but i might please ya while i tease ya!" and wink. i don't THINK that line suggests that i'm offering extras. does it sound like that? i don't mean it that way. i think my prob is that i just don't know what the hell to say, even though i am friendly and sincere. i also think its possible that i get discouraged too easily. when midnight rolls around and i've only made $50 so far, i get irritated and impatient and maybe guys detect that. its hard to stay positive when it's slow and i get caught in a downward spiral i think.

    and no, i don't take the first no as an answer... i usually ask one more time and that's it. but i guess i will start asking 3 times!

    unfortunately the only upscale clubs nearby would be in detroit and i'm honestly quite scared of working there..

    thank you for your kind words, bgrimsle...
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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    Quote Originally Posted by noctina
    my club is actually the cleanest club in the city and i am one of the cleanest girls there. ... the other clubs in the city are REALLY dirty, so i think maybe the customers just expect it everywhere?
    I agree with carolina6, sounds like the "tease" comments are just fishing lines to see if they can catch a dancer who will agree to do more.

    It may be that this is the type of place where you have to maximize your stage time and focus less on private dance earnings. Many clubs in my home state are very strict with contact rules while a neighboring state is as basically as liberal as you can find. Many of the dancers who work in the no-contact clubs don't even try to sell dances as they know customers aren't buying the air dance from 3 feet away. If a customer comes up and requests one, great, but they don't really count on the private dances. Instead they focus on getting tipped for conversation time and on maximizing their stage tips.

    If you can't convince them to get a dance you could still try to invite them to come visit you during your next stage set before you politely depart from their company. When you're up on stage it may be a little harder for a guy to just sitback when you look over with a smile or cute pout.
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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    For the cheap guys, one tactic that seems to work well with me is a version of "Because you're worth it". I'll probe a bit to discover what is really going on with that customer, and what he really wants. If he is just looking for crack-whore, bargian basement extras, then I write him off and inform all the other dancers of his creep status.

    But mostly, it is that the guy really is on a budget and doesn't want to waste the little bit of money he has on a lousey dance. I try to sell him on the "special treat" aspect of the dance. I tell him that he works hard and maybe indulging in some sweet naughtiness is a nice reward after a long work week. I take the focus off myself, because mostly these guys could care less about what I want, anyway. Appealing to his self indulgent side will work for me with the kind of customer who would like to feel some entitlement and is willing to spend a bit to feel more important.

    For the guy that is throwing out the "tease" line who is just playing games, play along. Being cocky is the best approch for this individual. When he says, "Oh, I can't handle the tease, it just leaves me wanting more."

    You might respond with something like "I know I'm good. You are probably right, you couldn't handle me. You know I was voted the best stripper in the state last year? No? Well, let me know if you are up for some real adventure, but only if you're a real man." Then slink away seductively with a coy smile on your face. He'll stew about that one for a while. If you don't have any potentials to approch after that, hit up your "safe" customer to linger with and flirt with him wildly. Tell him to hit the john as a favor to you, and then you leave the area as well. The fact that you dissappeared with a custy will register in the other's minds. Chill in the dressing room for a bit, to make it appear that you are busy.

    When you see that guy again, he will be thinking about your statement. You are likely to get a dance out of him in the future. You have to play the head game, and the dancers can usually win that game. But the customer get's his dance so he wins too.


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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    Some more thoughts...

    Try to size up each customer. If you feel one has some potential, and the club is slow (or you've struck out elsewhere), give it more time. Are you good at conversation? I used to be shy, but I found this is actually easy. It's mostly listening. Pick up key points or words that get said and repeat the concepts back. Maintain eye contact. Make it seem as if his talking about himself is really fascinating (even if it isn't). Everyone's favorite subject is themselves!

    If he mentions any subject you even vaguely like, let him know you are interested in that, too. People like other people that are similar to themselves. It also makes it seem as it you like him, and people like people who like them. Later, when asking for the dance, try something like "I'm going to really like doing this dance for YOU!" Same concepts, and makes him feel special.

    Do the dancers get free soft drinks? Ask him if he'd like a Coke, go to the bar and get one for him. This invokes the reciprocity principal - even tho it's a small thing, he will feel indebted to you. If you're not allowed to do this with drinks, offer a piece of gum or something.

    If your club has an expensive champagne-room, try talking him into that, believe it or not. Mention the prices, spend a little time enthusiastically explaing this. He will probably say no - that wasn't your goal anyway. THEN sell him on a lap dance. It will seem dirt cheap by comparison, and he is more likely to go for it (this uses the comparison principle - car salesmen use this when you "only" have to shell out $400 more negotiating for a $25,000 car you want - it seems small - it wouldn't if you were buying a toaster!).

    Give these a shot. I learned most of what I know about salesmanship from the book "Influence" by Robert Cialdini, an excellent read. Also see the web site and check out the Techniques link.

    Hope this helps. Regarding your earlier post, you're very welcome.

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    WOW!!! Sounds like that could have been written by me! A few of us were joking we could have worked @ mcdonalds and made more. My favorite is " I better take the dollar I got and go buy a lotto ticket." Or joking about getting fresh dunkin donuts after work- but the milk might be pushing it.
    This has been happening alot in the clubs I have been in. Some days I handle it and am grateful for making for the most part better than a "regular" job and other days I snap. I agree if they can't tip then they need to go to regular bars.Problem is if they are jreky cheap bastages they figure out pretty fast that the clubs won't toss them if they are buying drinks. Therefore the club makes $.
    No idea how to fix it-so I guess I will read away at hustle hut also. Just had to vent too.

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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    Things have been quite slow for me in MI as well...are you in the metro detroit or detroit area? It's such a high contact area, guys come to our clubs where boob touching, licking, is a NORM, and girls who don't do it (regardless of hotness) just don't get dances. Plain and simple- either ho out or go home......feels like that's what it comes down to most of the time...PM me and we can bounce some ideas off each other if you want....you're not alone.....

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    paris your advice is fantastic!!! thank you to everyone for the advice!!! and i don't live in the metro area, i live about an hour from detroit but am willing to travel back and forth or stay for a week in a cheap hotel with a weekly rate. i would love to have some travel buddies since i started out dancing with my best friend and then she quit. so it's a bit scary out there by myself. any michigan girls i would love to meet and help eachother out to make more $$$.
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    Default Re: no thanks, it's just a tease

    I really understand what you're saying noctina. Are you at Deja Vu? I'm at the ypsi one. It is pretty clean especially for the area. You should take long weekend and go to Lansing. Omar's is a real established topless bar that has a lot of potential for money. Just keep your stuff locked up and concentrate on your hustle and you should make some decent money there. Or take a week and come here. Guys expect more everywhere in Michigan, especially detroit. But there are some clubs where you can still manage to make some money without compromising your boundaries. Flight club has dirty girls but you dont have to be a dirty girl to make money because of the higher volume of customers. Also If you decide to travel, find out what's going on in the city you wanna work in. Michigan State and Michigan home football games, Lions games, Tigers games will bring more people out, especially if the home team wins. pm me if you want more info.

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