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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde
    They'll get a fair hearing. Those guys though...they have already been raked across the coals. Is that fair?
    Actuall my point was that both sides of this case deserve a fair trial to occur.

    I don't think that with this trend of trying cases in the public BEFORE a trial even begins is wrong. It prevents both sides from getting an unbiased jury, imo.

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    Default Re: Duke lacrosse rape case a sham

    Give my ass a break.

    Does anyone really think most rapes that actually occur have great amounts of evidence.

    A) They may be able to find DNA, then he says it was consensual. No witness no proof. DUH! Even bruises and bleeding don't matter - she wanted it rough.

    B) The only rape cases the DA wants to risk their success on is a sure win. I.E. it has to be a "stranger rape" - one where the parties innvolved hadn't agreed to be in company.

    Go look at your stats boys and stupid girlz - 10 out of 100 rapes amy be prosecuted, 1 out 10 of these is a win, that means 1 out of 100 aleged rapes is prosecuted. National FBI crime stats, research it!

    This is not because women lie, the DA does not get promoted without a high case win rate, so don't pursue it without a guarantee of evidence - rape drugs in system, video, good guy who narcs, etc.

    BOYS - figure out what the male run justice system deems appropriate evidence in a rape case.

    Then, realize that getting this evidence to prove anything is nearly impossible because of our standards of proof for rape. (It's more likely your word would be trusted if you said someone stole your stereo)

    Now, see that when the media says their is "not enough evidence" for a case it means that you can get away with raping - it happens to half the women, all day long, day in day out.

    If you believe rapists actually go to jail, no offense, but I think you're an idiot.

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    ^^^ So I would guess you REALLY hate this:

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    I don't see what her point would've been to lie about it either.
    well, a little conjecture ...

    A. had the DA not jumped all over the class and race aspects and taken this case public immediately, the girl would have been in an ideal position to 'settle' out of court with the families of several very rich guys ! A $100,000 settlement to keep the matter out of court wouldn't have been a bad night's earnings (and the families would probably have paid such a settlement willingly) !

    B. claiming rape by 'customers' deflected attention from actual physical mistreatment by 'boyfriend(s)' which might have otherwise been prosecutable

    C. claiming rape by 'customers' achieved some measure of 'social justice' i.e. those upper class rich white boys are going to be made to 'pay' in one way or another

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    well, a little conjecture ...

    A. had the DA not jumped all over the class and race aspects and taken this case public immediately, the girl would have been in an ideal position to 'settle' out of court with the families of several very rich guys ! A $100,000 settlement to keep the matter out of court wouldn't have been a bad night's earnings (and the families would probably have paid such a settlement willingly) !

    B. claiming rape by 'customers' deflected attention from actual physical mistreatment by 'boyfriend(s)' which might have otherwise been prosecutable

    C. claiming rape by 'customers' achieved some measure of 'social justice' i.e. those upper class rich white boys are going to be made to 'pay' in one way or another
    Hmmm, I dont know, Melonie. I get what you're saying--that it was like a false insurance claim. But geez, this is a whole lot of trouble to go through. I its damn near fruitless to go head to head with a group of rich families that could pay to make you disappear, unless it was justified. When dealing with rich defendants, theres always the possibility this whole case can be bought & sold, which is a frustrating reality of the court system. I used to work in the court house--I always saw rich people getting off scott free b/c they had a bevy of good lawyers.
    I would really like to be in the courtroom to see what plays out. This case is sadly facsinating.
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    ^^^ the same sort of approach was reportedly used in the Kobe Bryant case ... where the 'hotel girl' who had consensual sex with Kobe reportedly then gave Kobe the opportunity to pony up major bucks in exchange for dropping the rape charges - thus keeping the case from being filed and avoiding the personal embarrassment, the potential damage to his career / future earnings, and the potential jail time risk of allowing the case to go to court. Kobe decided that he wasn't going to play along.

    In perspective, given the damage to personal reputations (which will close off future business opportunities for the rest of their lives) and the legal fees already paid by the families of the Duke players, taking a $100,000 hush money deal would have been a bargain. But apparently the dancer was too 'f#$ked up' to capitalize, and instead wound up involving the police / DA's office immediately afterwards via the hospital staff reports from the dancer's ER trip (who were legally mandated to then call in LE immediately).

    again please understand that I'm playing 'devil's advocate' and that the Duke players may have indeed raped the girl ... but based on the leaked exculpatory evidence I don't really see how that was possible. And with today's justice system and news media, even when rich and famous defendants win, they still lose (because many continue to think that they were actually guilty but 'bought' their acquittal).

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    If people had rational reasons for the things they did, we'd have a happier world and a lot less crime. There's all kinds of primary and secondary gain reasons why people make shit up - or why they victimize each other, for that matter. If "Gosh, he/she really had no good reason to do this" was a definitive defense, there would be a lot fewer convictions, too.

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    PS.

    For all those who sommehow believe women "cry" rape more than say men "cry" theft. - You wrong.

    The FBI crime statistics site that "false accusations" are found to be lower in cases of alleged rape than ANY OTHER CRIME.

    Why when it comes to rape do we believe women lie.

    I know more men who lie on a daily basis about everything. They've just convinced some of us dumb ones that all girls lie.

    Most of the liars, cheaters, thieves, beaters, and rapists i know and have heard of are MEN.
    Going through a rape investigation is hell for a girl unless you like having your parts pried bigger than a gyno exam for pictures. They spread my ass about 2 inches wide to keep it open for pictures. They found blood and bruising up my ass but he said it was consensual so what...

    Talk to police and lawyers, they will explain that when the press says there is "no evidence" or trumped up evidence it really just means they don't have necessarily enough eveidence to convince a jury without a shadow of doubt.

    I hate when guys try to start this shit.

    Yo guys, answer me honestly, when was the last time you had the cops question you because some girl said you raped her and was lying.

    I bet not one.

    So why are you so gangbusters to decide what happened when you weren't there?

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    I just want to say that evidence seems to point that the dancer did lie about the rape. If that is true, then she is doing so much harm to not only strippers but also to rape victums everywhere in every walk of life.

    I do know about the innocence project I think is a great idea. But, I'd like to add that DNA fingerprinting is a relatively new technology, and I think using it solely to convict or exhonorate a criminal is silly. Your average Jury member can look at a photo of an actual finger print and see if there is a similiarity between that and the accused's fingerprint. I don't know about you, but I have no idea what a DNA chain looks or even how to tell the difference between one person's to another, so basically it is just the scientists word that the jury is going on.

    Here is proof that we don't know everything about DNA.


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    Why when it comes to rape do we believe women lie
    well, as is arguably the case with both Kobe Bryant and the Duke Lacrosse players, the guys are all rich and the women are in a position to seek lots of 'easy money' based on sex and scandal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    I just want to say that evidence seems to point that the dancer did lie about the rape. If that is true, then she is doing so much harm to not only strippers but also to rape victums everywhere in every walk of life.

    I do know about the innocence project I think is a great idea. But, I'd like to add that DNA fingerprinting is a relatively new technology, and I think using it solely to convict or exhonorate a criminal is silly. Your average Jury member can look at a photo of an actual finger print and see if there is a similiarity between that and the accused's fingerprint. I don't know about you, but I have no idea what a DNA chain looks or even how to tell the difference between one person's to another, so basically it is just the scientists word that the jury is going on.

    Here is proof that we don't know everything about DNA.

    I agree with you! I stood up for her because she was a woman. I thought she was abuse, I thought she was hurt and scorn! I did not care about what job she did for living! I did not think she deserve to be rape. To have her lie about this rape. I believe put a negative image on color dancers, and color women.
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