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    "Let's go out OTC"

    I'm not naive and I don't have stripper goggles (as in "drunk googles") on. I realize this is a sales tactic and that I'm probably some of the easiest money a dancer will get.

    That being said, I was in Vegas (for the second time) a few weeks ago. I was in town for one night (really only a few hours) and stopped by a club I had visited once before. I was looking for one particular girl who danced for me before. She recognized me (or at least pretended to). I asked for a couple of dances and then we moved into the VIP for a few hours. The VIP was a little bit of dancing and a whole lot of talking (pretty much a GFE situation).

    She knew I was basically on a plane as soon as I checked out of my hotel in the morning. At the end of the night (before I paid her), she said I should come back at the beginning of a weekend and we would go out "outside the club".

    I realize that both: (1) being vague and (2) giving no contact number [so I have to meet her in the club again] both lead me to believe her intentions are SS; I've accepted that. My questions:
    1. On the off-chance that she was was serious about us meeting OTC, what are the odds that our "meeting" will/will-not be a shopathon for jewelry/lingerie?
    2. I'm considering heading back to Vegas for an event just before the holidays and I want to see her again (ITC), but I want some opinions about what kind of expectations to have.
    3. Also, for the dancers, if you genuinely wanted to see a client/crusty would you ever pose the question like she did?
    4. Have you ever started a relationship after spending a lot of time talking in a club? Did you worry that the client/dancer was completely honest when talking to you in the club (about personal things)?


    A couple of notes
    1. I made no references to "us" OTC.
    2. I would not mind keeping "our relationship" entirely ITC, but I also don't want to risk missing the chance to get to know this girl.
    3. As far as I know, she lives/works in Vegas and I live/work in another state... and she knows this.

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    Default Re: "Let's go out OTC"

    Well at least you are wise enough to suspect SS. I think that is exactly what this is, she is dangling that carrot in front of you so you'll come back and spend more money. It's very unlikely there will be anything OTC, especially since she did not give a contact number.

    As for your questions... The more time I spend with a guy at a club, the less likely I'll ever be interested. The second he becomes a customer in my eyes, hes pretty much undateable. So your odds are very very very slim. Let's say I was interested in someone I met at the club, then NO I would not ask to see him in the club again. Everything from then on would be outside the club and non-club related, just like normal dating. I would never pose the question like she did.

    Just go to the club and have a good time ITC, no expectations. Maybe you'll have a happy surprise, who knows.

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    The better a customer you are -- in terms of spending lots of money, being good company, not bugging a dancer for extras -- the more likely she is to want to keep you as a customer. Dating -- unless it's the type of "dating" that does involve shopping -- is a loss of income for her. So she'd have to figure that into how much she really liked you and wanted to see you outside the club. Hate to sound mercenary, but I've never had a situation come up for me where I didn't prefer to have the money, however much I liked the customer.

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    Default Re: "Let's go out OTC"

    Thanks for the responses.

    xoxoGracexoxo - you do sound like a mercenary, but at least you are an honest one.

    I just wish she hadn't ever mentioned OTC. If she hadn't said that, I was almost guaranteed a repeat customer. Now I'm overthinking this whole situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbonPhyber
    I'm not naive and I don't have stripper goggles (as in "drunk googles") on. I realize this is a sales tactic and that I'm probably some of the easiest money a dancer will get.

    That being said, I was in Vegas (for the second time) a few weeks ago. I was in town for one night (really only a few hours) and stopped by a club I had visited once before. I was looking for one particular girl who danced for me before. She recognized me (or at least pretended to). I asked for a couple of dances and then we moved into the VIP for a few hours. The VIP was a little bit of dancing and a whole lot of talking (pretty much a GFE situation).

    She knew I was basically on a plane as soon as I checked out of my hotel in the morning. At the end of the night (before I paid her), she said I should come back at the beginning of a weekend and we would go out "outside the club".

    I realize that both: (1) being vague and (2) giving no contact number [so I have to meet her in the club again] both lead me to believe her intentions are SS; I've accepted that. My questions:
    1. On the off-chance that she was was serious about us meeting OTC, what are the odds that our "meeting" will/will-not be a shopathon for jewelry/lingerie?
    2. I'm considering heading back to Vegas for an event just before the holidays and I want to see her again (ITC), but I want some opinions about what kind of expectations to have.
    3. Also, for the dancers, if you genuinely wanted to see a client/crusty would you ever pose the question like she did?
    4. Have you ever started a relationship after spending a lot of time talking in a club? Did you worry that the client/dancer was completely honest when talking to you in the club (about personal things)?


    A couple of notes
    1. I made no references to "us" OTC.
    2. I would not mind keeping "our relationship" entirely ITC, but I also don't want to risk missing the chance to get to know this girl.
    3. As far as I know, she lives/works in Vegas and I live/work in another state... and she knows this.

    its SS
    she wants your money,
    If she infact wanted to see you otc
    she would have exchange contact info.

    i spend a lot of time in the strip club
    and this one girl makes me feel like
    she wants something more than just to dance
    when i get to the place i sit down at
    the tip bar she sits downnext to me and talk for 10 or 25 minutes
    but eventual it goes back to you wanna dance or vip

    its rare that a dancer
    wants to see you otc for
    a legit reason other than getting your money,
    not to catagorize or anything not all dancers are the same.


    good luck my friend,
    i wish you well

    cheers
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    hate is a false pretense given to one by a bleeding heart. lust is not a friend of love, yet it gets the heart pumping. love is an emotion in its own right, it can lead to many difficult crossroads, the avenue of sorrow and apathy are in downtown heart ache, population one too many.

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    Default Re: "Let's go out OTC"

    The 2 legitimate OTC relationships I have had both started when the stripper gave me her phone number, unsolicited, in a "genuine" fashion. What do I mean by "genuine"? I mean enthusiastic and non-phony. Just trust your instincts. People don't lie all that well. You can tell by body language, tone of voice, etc. If you're having doubts, you are probably correct about them.

    Other strippers have hinted at this sort of thing or even given me their phone numbers, but nothing came of it, so even getting an unsolicited phone number or email doesn't prove much on its own.

    Question for all: what does "SS" stand for? The meaning is obvious from context, I just don't know what the 2 words are. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgrimsle
    Question for all: what does "SS" stand for? The meaning is obvious from context, I just don't know what the 2 words are. Thanks.
    SS = stripper shit

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    Default Re: "Let's go out OTC"

    I do see several dancers outside of work in what have developed into genuine friendships.

    (a) They never offered to meet me OTC on the first meeting - I'd known them some time (often several months) before we met outside work. Even then it was a gradual thing - lifts home to start with, and quite a long time befre we were comfortable being round each others houses, etc.

    (b) Money has never played a part in it - I've never really been part of their income stream and if we do go out together we generally split the costs.

    (c) They're well aware it's them I like, and not the job they do. If I do bump into them in a work environment (as I sometimes do) there's a tacit agreement that I'll take no notice of their nudity and they'll completely ignore me when they're dancing.

    (d) We probably would have been friends anyway - it's just the context we met was unusual.

    There are all sorts of OTC relationships, but the chance of a genuine friendship/relationship is not good - dancers have any number of reasons to be cautious about seeing guys outside of work that they first met in their work environment.

    Phil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W
    I do see several dancers outside of work in what have developed into genuine friendships.

    (a) They never offered to meet me OTC on the first meeting - I'd known them some time (often several months) before we met outside work. Even then it was a gradual thing - lifts home to start with, and quite a long time befre we were comfortable being round each others houses, etc.

    (b) Money has never played a part in it - I've never really been part of their income stream and if we do go out together we generally split the costs.

    (c) They're well aware it's them I like, and not the job they do. If I do bump into them in a work environment (as I sometimes do) there's a tacit agreement that I'll take no notice of their nudity and they'll completely ignore me when they're dancing.

    (d) We probably would have been friends anyway - it's just the context we met was unusual.

    There are all sorts of OTC relationships, but the chance of a genuine friendship/relationship is not good - dancers have any number of reasons to be cautious about seeing guys outside of work that they first met in their work environment.

    Phil.
    wow.
    thats good.
    Ill have to tip my hat to you.
    A legit friendship with a stripper is hard to swing,
    and youve pulled it off.
    its not all about money as youve pointed out.
    after all there just stripper in the club,
    outside they are normal women.

    cheers
    -Ernesto
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    hate is a false pretense given to one by a bleeding heart. lust is not a friend of love, yet it gets the heart pumping. love is an emotion in its own right, it can lead to many difficult crossroads, the avenue of sorrow and apathy are in downtown heart ache, population one too many.

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    Its not SS if she gives you a working phone #, calls you (or returns your call), and then will meet you at the motel or come over. It is SS if she needs a handout, loan, or wants to go shopping before any kinda sex has happened. I find out what she wants and simply make an offer if looking for OTC. If she is asking for $ upfront I say "honey I can help you but I am going to have to have some..... first." I had one stripper who I had taken out to lunch really get peeved at this as I refused to give her $60 for cigarette money and she was starting to make a scene after I told her what I was going to need and then when she would get some money - she eventually stormed out in a huff amid some curious stares. SS exposed. A player does not give strippers money for nothing just because they demand it. He simply goes to the next girl on the roster. You have to go with experience and gut instinct to separate SS and a gal who is for real and has possibilities for OTC fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Star Player View Post
    Its not SS if she gives you a working phone #, calls you (or returns your call), and then will meet you at the motel or come over. It is SS if she needs a handout, loan, or wants to go shopping before any kinda sex has happened. I find out what she wants and simply make an offer if looking for OTC. If she is asking for $ upfront I say "honey I can help you but I am going to have to have some..... first." I had one stripper who I had taken out to lunch really get peeved at this as I refused to give her $60 for cigarette money and she was starting to make a scene after I told her what I was going to need and then when she would get some money - she eventually stormed out in a huff amid some curious stares. SS exposed. A player does not give strippers money for nothing just because they demand it. He simply goes to the next girl on the roster. You have to go with experience and gut instinct to separate SS and a gal who is for real and has possibilities for OTC fun.

    i think ill remember that next time i shell out some of my hard earned $$$ lol







    cheers
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    hate is a false pretense given to one by a bleeding heart. lust is not a friend of love, yet it gets the heart pumping. love is an emotion in its own right, it can lead to many difficult crossroads, the avenue of sorrow and apathy are in downtown heart ache, population one too many.

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    Wow its like the blue side migrated...haha

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    I agree with echoMadison. Also, the purpose of this thread has come to an end.

    Mods can feel free to lock the thread if they like.



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