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    Hello!

    There was this sort of weird guy who i was giving dances to.
    i gave him 4 dances...and i usualy collect my money AFTER the dances, because i dont wanna loose dances by interupting the mood by saying "okay, thatll be another 20 dolllars please!" but i never had any problems before.

    but his guy...was playing all stupid when i was done dancing and it was time to reach in his pocket. "oh i have to pay? for what??? i dont get it...???" and just being a real asshole. i was so pissed. i usually never act like a bitch like "GIMME MY MONEY!" but this time i was. I tried to be nice about it, "Um, i have to go up on stage next, can i please have the 80 bucks you owe me?" then he just ducked out and left.

    At my club, its 20 dollars a dance. the guy in the back by the private booth area, counts how many dances we do . then at the end of the night, we give the club 10 dollars for each dance. (Sucky policey, i know!). so, since i had four but i didnt get the money for, i would have to pay an extra 40 bucks to the club! i was so pissed, but thankfully the guy who does the counting dances, took 3 of them off for me, even though he wasnt suposed to.

    SO - my question is, how can i make sure this doesnt happen again? i dont like to bring up the $$$ during the dance because it gives them a chance to be in the "real world" again. usually at the end of the song, i turn up the heat and murmur in his ear if hed like more, and hes so dazed, that he says yes. im afraid bringing up the money would snap him out of it.

    Thanks for any advice!!! I mean, see i wouldnt care THAT Much if i danced a few songs for a guy and he didnt pay me, id be a little pissed, but you know. but since the fact that i get counted for each song i dance for a guy, and would have to pay 10 dollars a song, now that can screw me up!
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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    There's nothing you can do to avoid that, actually. Even if you say up front it's twenty dollars a song, the guy will be all "But she never tooooold me!"

    I had a guy get 10 ($50) dances and after every song I said, "You wanna keep going?" At the end of ten dances he gives me $50! WTF?! Says he thought a dance was the whole thing and it was $50. I made him pay by credit.

    Anyway, DW has good advice before you go in, say something like (paraphrasing) "Do you have enough or should we go to the ATM first?"

    I'm sure there's a better way to word this... but someone'll correct me,


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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    If you have a guy counting your dances right there just tell him that either he pays you or he deals with the big guy at the door. I've found that usually is enough to get them to pay up. And if he still gives you trouble..call the bouncer... thats what they are there for. Unless you work at a club( and I have)where the bouncers refuse to help you..in which case you'll have to get $$ up front(tell the guy that you hate to do it, but theres been a rash of "dance and duck out" customers lately so you have no choice since you still have to pay the club even if you get stiffed) or risk losing cash. Sucks, but there arent too many other options.
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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    I've been wondrin about this too, b/c my manager told me to always get paid first, at least with unknown custies, but damn that's a moodkiller. When I've been to clubs before and to my own as a custy the girls never asked first, but o course I'm not an a-hole so I paid em what they earned :/ I'm dunno if using the 'duck and run' custy excuse would be good though, kinda gives the impression that the club is low-class... *sigh* dunno, someone tell me the magic line to make them keep buyin and pay fair and gladly?

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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    we have a rule that we can't "stack" dances either..but i know what you mean about it being a mood killer. so usually if i have a good feeling about them i'll keep going and just remind them every 3 or so what they owe me and how many dances they've had (ok that was number 8 so you owe me 80..ok?) all while dancing dancing or putting my boobs in their face..etc. lol

    i've only had one time where some guy got 5 dances and tried to say it was 2. eventually i just said "are you gonna pay or do i need to wave over a bouncer?" he paid up.. heh heh.
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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    thanks guys. ah anymore tips? this is a tough subject!
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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    my club policy is up-front payment.
    this might be a mood killer but hey a mood killer and loss of a possible second dance has got to be better than getting ripped off by some wanker doesn't it?
    maybe if you do something cute like ask for another $20 and put your leg up with garter and let him put the money in - maybe this would be less of a mood killer.

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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    If you dont have a money up front thing at your club. This is houw I do it: collect every 3 dances and I always tell the customer the price before the dancing begins.
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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    Yeah, we're supposed to collect every three or four dances, but I never do. I've been ripped off twice in fifteen months. I figure, considering those odds, it's worth it to me. But I'm a little wiser than I used to be. You can't trust them, but sometimes you can sense if a guy is a weasly little basard or not. Make eye contact and say, after a song, "do you want another?".

    This is kinda where psychology comes in. I will say, if it's gotten to five, "That's $100 so far. Do you want to keep going?". So no surprises. As long as you know he's aware...

    Now if he tries to screw you, bring out the bitchiness. Don't let him leave, as best you can. Either block him with your body, or sit on him or something. Say "look, you know perfectly well that you owe me $80 (or whatever). And honey, it's really a dumb thing to not pay me. Because I will tell every other girl here, and every waitress, and every bouncer. You'll never be able to come here again. You don't want that, do you?".

    Or I dunno, make vague references to vengeful 'boyfriends'. Put the fear into him somehow. But yeah, if it's something that happens regularly (if customers aren't so great there), you have no choice but to collect sooner.

    I found more difficulty with manipulative assholes in the beginning. They can sense the newness I think. Be REALLY assertive, because a guy who does this is a guy without balls deep down who tries to prey on the vulnerable.

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    Okay, clubs will get a pretty good idea of who is screwing over the customers and not. Some of the club people are not nice and won't care - but that is different from not knowing. Also, be upfront with how much he owes. Do not try to sucker the customers. It's asking for trouble. E.g. - don't tell two 22 year olds that dances are $20 each, and then just dance for 2 hours without an update, and then demand $1500. Yes, they should know, yes, they likely do know, but in that kind of situation you are begging for guys to say "I didn't realize the song was over" (2 hours ago) or "I thought it was for the night." (Like "That's $100, should I keep going?" is one thing. "That's $2000, should I keep going?" is not cool.) Most girls who have trouble collecting are doing this. Yes, a lot of guys are just assholes, I know. But 9 times out of 10 if a girl can't collect it is because she wasn't upfront. For the 1 time out of 10, I either A) move on and don't think about it (because sometimes the time it takes to extract is not worth the time you lose working) or B) go to the bouncers. Usually they collect at least most of it. Sometimes it doesn't work and you lose. Unavoidable. Like a dine and dash. You can't guard against all comers.
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    Default Re: Mmm..keep going? OKAY - that will be another 20 dollars please!!

    The best thing to do is encourage them to pay up front so they can just focus on the dance ahead. Pay admission first!

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    Either get paid up front or have the bouncer get ahold of him and make him pay. There was a time where I thought a guy was bailing on me and I ran the f$ck after him. The bouncers saw me running and they have a walkie talkie thing and radioed for the door guy to stop him. It turns out the guy was going to the ATM near the door to pay me and was kinda insulted that I thought he was going to rip me off. I apologized to him but told him "It's happened before so I had to make sure" he then barged off. Oh well. Make sure he doesn't leave w/o paying you. At the beginning of your dancing career, you'll feel weird discussing money ( I did), trust me, guys can sense that in you and take that to your advantage, guys know newbies are an easy target. Don't let them pull that $hit! Tell a guy, if he refuses to pay, he'll be banned from the club and since there's not many clubs in Hawaii, he won't have too many options and it's not like he can drive very far!!!

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    thansk everyone. great ideas!
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    yeah..like they said...thats where being tight with the bouncers help you.. it's their job to make sure things get done...and if they like you, they'll rough him up a bit.. but anyway,my club will call the police if you refuse to pay, and usually they don't have to because the threat and embarresment of getting arrested for not paying for lap dances usually makes the guy cough up, but i have seen someone who really didn't have the money for it get arrested.

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    Some customers are just cheap assholes. I danced 3 dances for a guy and at my club is $10 a dance. He gave me twelve and I saw him go to the Atm to get more, I looked away for like 3 seconds out the door he goes into a cab. His friends were pissed too because he had driven them. I shouldn't have let him out of my sight but luckily my manager let me add it to the tab he had opened, and I did a little math wrong and ended up with a little extra cash for compensation.

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    I'm glad I don't have to deal with stuff like that. Lap dances at my club are $30, and the customer pays first at a podium at the front door, where I recieve $20 before the dance. If they want another I get the money first and hand $10 bucks to podium and let 'em know that I got mine.

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    I guess live n learn.
    I gotta remember - if it happens to me - I need to tell the manager or bouncer right away.

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    Yea I had this happen a few times but it mostly still works to my advantage to not ask for $$ untill done with all dances. I now have learned to feel the guys out . If i feel they want to touch too much or there really lookin for extras i make them pay upfront cause when they dont get it they will walk out on u cuz there gunnna be mad but the ones that really only expect a dance i wont interupt to collect $$ it is an interruption& kinda kills the mood for them. I had a guy this last weekend I charged 75$ for 3 dances& he says I wanna bj& i wait til the songs r done& walked away. Hey i alrdy had his $$ so who cares. funny tho he went to my manager & says i took his $$ but luckily we have cameras in bak i said just go look at the cams we did dances which is what he paid for. the balls of some custies... Geeze

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