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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    TEN BOUNCERS?! LOL how big is this place? I say you need two at a time... so you'll probably only need four. Six if you're open days.
    really you think so?

    wow thats a releif

    well at the place i go to theres
    usually three near the main entrance,

    two walking the floor
    and two in the back
    this on a saturday night

    any ideas
    as far as a good hourly wage for the bouncers would be ?
    im thinking 10/hr

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    If you cant serve liquor then you have to up juice and soda rices. If the house fee is $20, just for an example, and you have only 10 girls thats already $200, for once shift... that doesnt count if you dont have shifts and girls can come in when they want. Then you have more cash trickling in as they do. If you have a lot of girls, lets say 40, there's $800! What girls like about flat rates is that, once they ay it, they feel safe in knowing that, no matter what kind of day they have at work (money wise) what they get is what they keep. There are a metric tn of clubs out there who do not charge the girls by %. They seem to do well somehow, so it obviously works.... in all sorts of Cost Of Living areas. As for bouncers giving freebies, there are ways of kee ing track of how many people come in, and how much you make. Freebies can be nipped in the bud.

    well i suppose thats okay
    but keep in mind
    to start this place up im looking at
    an investment of 200,000 minimum
    and i cant charge like 10 dollars for a coke
    but ill speak to some owners near by

    if it seems that it'll work with a flat rate...
    then it might become reality

    cheers
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    Keep in mind that you will probably not have a packed house often enough at first to need that many bouncers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    Keep in mind that you will probably not have a packed house often enough at first to need that many bouncers.
    yeah that sounds about right
    i guess i could start with maybe 5 bouncers on a weekend shift

    cause i would rather have to many bouncers
    then not enough if
    something happens i want the dancers to be
    safe




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    You should have a packed night your first week though if you advertise right. Make it big, if you can.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    You should have a packed night your first week though if you advertise right. Make it big, if you can.
    yeah thats for sure
    and a promotion like
    no cover before 10 or something like that will work


    it also just dawned on me that

    there is a club
    in the city i want to open my club

    corona, ca

    its called

    angels,

    well some of the dancers there
    say its not doing to great

    maybe purchasing a place like this

    and making it way great would be a good move

    sound like a smart move?


    cheers
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    Ernesto,

    I hate to crush your dreams, but you need a reality check. To run a business like a strip club, you need lots of capital and savvy. Based on the comments you have made, I'm guessing you don't have it. Sorry if that's rude, but it's likely true. Also, you need to have knowledge of whatever business you are going to start. Based on your questions here, you don't have that knowledge.

    Can you write a business plan? I'm guessing not. Can you get a license to operate an adult oriented business? You need political connections to do this. I'm guessing you don't have those connections. Can you get a great attorney to tell you where you can operate without running afoul of zoning laws affecting where adult oriented businesses can be? You can't just buy an old building, slap down some carpet, erect a neon sign and call it a strip club.

    Without a liquor license, your profit margins drop dramatically. That seems to be the route you are going. If you aren't making money from the sale of alcohol, to make a profit, you will have to charge high cover fees and hit up the dancers for huge fees.

    You said you are going to speak to some owners nearby. That is pretty naive to think they will be glad to help you.

    Finally, your posts make you seem like an amatuer dreaming big, but also an amatuer who doesn't really have a clue. Starting up a successful strip club is a major undertaking with very little room for error. You need a plan. You don't have one. You won't get a plan by asking for advice on an internet message board.

    Good luck.

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    A juice bar will always have to pass on higher fees to it's dancers. Full bar clubs have more foot traffic for obvious reasons, and the bar is a high profit generator. But in CA, So. CA in particular, with the exception of Fritz in Bellflower, most full bar topless clubs aren't popular places for guys to buy dances. Tops are not allowed to come off during lap dances, and minor nudity violations can easily cause a liquor license to be suspended or revoked.

    So thanks to the overly strict laws where liquor is concerned, the majority of the clubs there are juice bars, which have less foot traffic. That requires higher cover charges, higher fees for beverages, and higher house fees for the dancers.

    The big problem in those LA clubs is that the customers get cheated on the length of the songs. I feel every song should be 3.5 minutes in length, and that $40 is tooooo much for a lap dance, nude or not. $20-$25 dances with the club getting $7 per dance on $25 ones is fair. The club needs to focus on getting guys accustomed to buying dances. A visit to the Phoenix clubs such as Hi-Liter and Band-Aids can teach you how to get the proper momentum in your club to make 8 out of 10 guys buy dances.

    The money needs to be made on volume and repeat business, not on gouging a handful of customers as most LA area juice bars do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SC_dude
    Ernesto,

    I hate to crush your dreams, but you need a reality check. To run a business like a strip club, you need lots of capital and savvy. Based on the comments you have made, I'm guessing you don't have it. Sorry if that's rude, but it's likely true. Also, you need to have knowledge of whatever business you are going to start. Based on your questions here, you don't have that knowledge.

    Can you write a business plan? I'm guessing not. Can you get a license to operate an adult oriented business? You need political connections to do this. I'm guessing you don't have those connections. Can you get a great attorney to tell you where you can operate without running afoul of zoning laws affecting where adult oriented businesses can be? You can't just buy an old building, slap down some carpet, erect a neon sign and call it a strip club.

    Without a liquor license, your profit margins drop dramatically. That seems to be the route you are going. If you aren't making money from the sale of alcohol, to make a profit, you will have to charge high cover fees and hit up the dancers for huge fees.

    You said you are going to speak to some owners nearby. That is pretty naive to think they will be glad to help you.

    Finally, your posts make you seem like an amatuer dreaming big, but also an amatuer who doesn't really have a clue. Starting up a successful strip club is a major undertaking with very little room for error. You need a plan. You don't have one. You won't get a plan by asking for advice on an internet message board.

    Good luck.
    hahahaha
    Yeah i know,
    I know Im just a dumb kid that dreams big, but i have all the right connections,
    the family lawyer is a big cheese in sacramento,
    im not gonna get my place up and running by kissing his ass, but just in case thats available, yes i do know i need a good knowledge of how these places operate, thats why a friend of mine is gonna attempt to get me a job moonlighting at a local strip club, and yes there is need of several hundred thousand to start a place up and yes it has crossed my mind, but i and my assoiciate can have all the needed money in 1 to 2 years. My associate is also a few years older than me and he isnt as big a dreamer, and he is a buisness owner. And I dont want to sell liquir because if we do, then we cant have a full nude establishmen, and
    yes fully nude places draw more people
    not to mention the 18-21 crowd. If i do fail, I'll at least have tried and can die knowing that I at least attempted to reach my goals, and die quite happy knowing that haha.

    thanks for the advice
    -Ernesto

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    Tina, Fritz has been closed for years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    A juice bar will always have to pass on higher fees to it's dancers. Full bar clubs have more foot traffic for obvious reasons, and the bar is a high profit generator. But in CA, So. CA in particular, with the exception of Fritz in Bellflower, most full bar topless clubs aren't popular places for guys to buy dances. Tops are not allowed to come off during lap dances, and minor nudity violations can easily cause a liquor license to be suspended or revoked.

    So thanks to the overly strict laws where liquor is concerned, the majority of the clubs there are juice bars, which have less foot traffic. That requires higher cover charges, higher fees for beverages, and higher house fees for the dancers.

    The big problem in those LA clubs is that the customers get cheated on the length of the songs. I feel every song should be 3.5 minutes in length, and that $40 is tooooo much for a lap dance, nude or not. $20-$25 dances with the club getting $7 per dance on $25 ones is fair. The club needs to focus on getting guys accustomed to buying dances. A visit to the Phoenix clubs such as Hi-Liter and Band-Aids can teach you how to get the proper momentum in your club to make 8 out of 10 guys buy dances.

    The money needs to be made on volume and repeat business, not on gouging a handful of customers as most LA area juice bars do.
    well,
    the way I see it is,
    25 topless
    40 nude
    5 for a soda
    cause thats the norm in most 18+ clubs
    if theres no alchohol,
    you get guys in there
    that go just for the T&A
    not guys that want a beer
    thats what your local pub is for.

    and you get plenty of traffic in there
    some nights ill
    go to my local club
    and have trouble getting a seat

    its about repeat customers
    and thats perfectly fine with me







    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan
    Tina, Fritz has been closed for years.
    hahahaha
    your in australia and you knew this
    and she didnt ouch




    cheers
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    Ernesto,

    As a 'new' club, you will almost certainly have to deal with the results of recent lawsuits and labor dep't rulings involving California strip clubs ...





    in other words, California laws and courts have established a fairly far-reaching set of precedents that dancers are to be considered 'employees'. This means paying minimum hourly wage, paying comp and unemployment insurance, paying the employer's share of SSI and Medicare taxes etc. Granted lots of existing clubs have been able to 'skirt' these new precedents and DOL rulings since they were in business before these new precedents took effect ... however like DejaVu and Gold Club some have already been dragged into court and have been / will be forced to pay dancers after the fact. It is probably going to be extremely difficult for a 'new' club to operate under an independent contractor business model in the state of California given the fact that these 'employee dancer' precedents now exist.

    Rather than figuring out a 'blind' percentage of private dance and VIP room revenue that the club will be retaining, you need to factor in the actual costs of providing minimum wage paychecks + paying employer SSI and Medicare taxes + paying state workmen's comp and unemployment insurance premiums to arrive at a percentage that will actually cover these costs to the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Ernesto,

    As a 'new' club, you will almost certainly have to deal with the results of recent lawsuits and labor dep't rulings involving California strip clubs ...

    http://www.dir.ca.gov/IWC/IWCArticle10.html

    http://espu-ca.org/dancers.html

    in other words, California laws and courts have established a fairly far-reaching set of precedents that dancers are to be considered 'employees'. This means paying minimum hourly wage, paying comp and unemployment insurance, paying the employer's share of SSI and Medicare taxes etc. Granted lots of existing clubs have been able to 'skirt' these new precedents and DOL rulings since they were in business before these new precedents took effect ... however like DejaVu and Gold Club some have already been dragged into court and have been / will be forced to pay dancers after the fact. It is probably going to be extremely difficult for a 'new' club to operate under an independent contractor business model in the state of California given the fact that these 'employee dancer' precedents now exist.

    Rather than figuring out a 'blind' percentage of private dance and VIP room revenue that the club will be retaining, you need to factor in the actual costs of providing minimum wage paychecks + paying employer SSI and Medicare taxes + paying state workmen's comp and unemployment insurance premiums to arrive at a percentage that will actually cover these costs to the club.

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    wow
    thank you so much,
    you've given me some much needed information.
    knowing this,
    could i possibly get away with hiring them as
    "independent contractors" if i buy a club that
    is already established,
    or will I end up paying them hourly either way?

    to better figure these percentages
    how many dancers would i need on a given shift for a
    decent sized club?



    thanks
    cheers
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    could i possibly get away with hiring them as
    "independent contractors" if i buy a club that
    is already established,
    or will I end up paying them hourly either way?
    There's absolutely no way to answer that question, other than to say that a 'brand new' business is more likely to be scrutinized than taking over a long established existing business.

    to better figure these percentages
    how many dancers would i need on a given shift for a
    decent sized club?
    I'll have to plead 'insufficient data' on this question as well, since a great deal of variation goes into the equation i.e. size of city/customer base, square footage of club etc. I'd take a wild guess and start out thinking in terms of 20-30 dancers or so for a medium sized club, with perhaps an average private dance sales rate of 8-12 dances per girl.

    Of course, some 'exceptional' girls will sell 20+ private dances while other 'marginal' girls will be lucky to sell 4 private dances ! You have to be careful that you don't wind up taking so much money from the 'exceptional' girls to provide paychecks and benefits for the 'marginal' girls that you wind up with a club with zero 'exceptional' dancers left to provide the private dance 'earning power' and a large number of 'marginal' dancers sitting in the dressing room soaking up paychecks and benefits that cost more than the private dances they sell can pay for. This is more or less what happened to the Lusty Lady, and it forced the club into bankruptcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    There's absolutely no way to answer that question, other than to say that a 'brand new' business is more likely to be scrutinized than taking over a long established existing business.



    I'll have to plead 'insufficient data' on this question as well, since a great deal of variation goes into the equation i.e. size of city/customer base, square footage of club etc. I'd take a wild guess and start out thinking in terms of 20-30 dancers or so for a medium sized club, with perhaps an average private dance sales rate of 8-12 dances per girl.

    Of course, some 'exceptional' girls will sell 20+ private dances while other 'marginal' girls will be lucky to sell 4 private dances ! You have to be careful that you don't wind up taking so much money from the 'exceptional' girls to provide paychecks and benefits for the 'marginal' girls that you wind up with a club with zero 'exceptional' dancers left to provide the private dance 'earning power' and a large number of 'marginal' dancers sitting in the dressing room soaking up paychecks and benefits that cost more than the private dances they sell can pay for. This is more or less what happened to the Lusty Lady, and it forced the club into bankruptcy.
    wow
    the more i hear,
    the more discouraged i am,
    i could come up with the money to open the place.
    but now im so scared of going belly up that im frozen
    by the fear of it all.
    ultimately I wll will probably try it anyway.

    you couldnt be more right,
    is there a certain strategy i could use in order to spot the girls
    that are marginal versus those that are exceptional,
    and could having a lower fee than other clubs draw all the
    exceptional dancers our way because they would earn more?

    wow
    i just did some mental math just a low ball number
    and it could run about 1500 in labor
    for 30 dancers, 6 bouncers, and 4 waitress'
    not including all the state and fed tax
    or the bartender or dj

    this is all so discouraging,
    but i must press on,
    it can be done it has to be possible to run this place,
    and make it both profitable for me,
    and fair for the dancers right?

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    could having a lower fee than other clubs draw all the
    exceptional dancers our way because they would earn more?
    Compared to other clubs employing girls as independent contractors, you're already at a disadvantage in that every dollar of 'employee' dancers' incomes is supposed to be run through the club's payroll system with income taxes withheld. As 'employees', they also lose the ability to deduct business expense tax deductions.

    Yes charging lower fees / percentages would tend to draw more 'exceptional' dancers, but at the same time it will tend to draw more average dancers and more 'marginal' dancers too. The only sure fire way to tell is to hire the dancers first and then see how they 'produce'. However, given the difficulties of an employer arbitrarily firing an 'employee' who shows up for work on time and doesn't break rules in a state with strong 'employee rights' like California, you may find that if you have hired too many 'marginal' dancers that it will cost you plenty in wrongful dismissal judgements to fire them (based only on the fact that customers choose to buy fewer private dances from them than from other girls) to make room for 'exceptional' dancers.

    it can be done it has to be possible to run this place,
    and make it both profitable for me,
    and fair for the dancers right?
    If you follow all of the applicable laws, not necessarily ! After all, there's no guarantee that a month after you have purchased your new club's building and gotten the stage and sound system set up, your local city council won't decide to pass a new ordinance banning private dances ! There's also no guarantee that some overzealous local DA won't decide to bust your dancers for doing private dances involving contact with customers that the DA thinks are in violation of state prostitution laws - whereas a nearby club that is across the city/county line is able to offer full contact or even 'extras' with zero risk of being busted and attract large numbers of customers away from your club. This is always a particular risk for a 'new' club, because it's hard to judge the potential neighborhood reaction to having a 'strip club' open up in their midst.

    Also, depending on where you are going to locate, and who the owners of nearby clubs are that you will be directly competing against, your dancers may have to deal with other sorts of pressures ... such as statements from surrounding clubowners that 'if you go to work for new club XYZ you will NEVER be rehired at my club(s) again". Without new club XYZ having an established customer base and an established pattern of dancer earnings, under this sort of pressure not many 'exceptional' girls are going to take the financial risk of 'burning their bridges' i.e. not being able to return to an existing club that provides steady earnings potential if your new club XYZ doesn't provide a reasonable amount of dancer earnings potential in a big hurry.

    In fact, it is not unheard of for some new clubs to deliberately operate at a 'loss' for the first few months in order to subsidize dancer earning potential (like no stage fee whatsoever and no percentage of private dances retained) in order to encourage the better dancers to keep working at the new club to attract customers while the club's customer base thus dancer earnings potential has a chance to gradually build up (big example Penthouse Exec Club in Manhattan). Of course, in your case, this would mean that the clubowner would have to have sufficient capital to foot the bill for minimum wage dancer paychecks plus employer SSI taxes plus comp and disability premiums out of his own pocket, with no revenue coming in from dancers' private dance sales to help defray these costs, for the first few months of operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Compared to other clubs employing girls as independent contractors, you're already at a disadvantage in that every dollar of 'employee' dancers' incomes is supposed to be run through the club's payroll system with income taxes withheld. As 'employees', they also lose the ability to deduct business expense tax deductions.

    Yes charging lower fees / percentages would tend to draw more 'exceptional' dancers, but at the same time it will tend to draw more average dancers and more 'marginal' dancers too. The only sure fire way to tell is to hire the dancers first and then see how they 'produce'. However, given the difficulties of an employer arbitrarily firing an 'employee' who shows up for work on time and doesn't break rules in a state with strong 'employee rights' like California, you may find that if you have hired too many 'marginal' dancers that it will cost you plenty in wrongful dismissal judgements to fire them (based only on the fact that customers choose to buy fewer private dances from them than from other girls) to make room for 'exceptional' dancers.



    If you follow all of the applicable laws, not necessarily ! After all, there's no guarantee that a month after you have purchased your new club's building and gotten the stage and sound system set up, your local city council won't decide to pass a new ordinance banning private dances ! There's also no guarantee that some overzealous local DA won't decide to bust your dancers for doing private dances involving contact with customers that the DA thinks are in violation of state prostitution laws - whereas a nearby club that is across the city/county line is able to offer full contact or even 'extras' with zero risk of being busted and attract large numbers of customers away from your club. This is always a particular risk for a 'new' club, because it's hard to judge the potential neighborhood reaction to having a 'strip club' open up in their midst.


    yes,
    it all seems risky
    and having to hire them all on a payroll basis would make its very difficult to fire a dancer for not selling it lol, but we could wlays audition/interview the girls and it
    could give us at least a little to go off of as far as seeing how well she would work right?

    yes the city could be a huge problem,
    I thought about opening it in riverside county, but ive only seen one
    topless club there.

    while a little further south,
    san bernardino county has five that i know of
    most of them full nude establishments

    so im more inclined to go with san bernardino county,
    since they seem to be more tollerant of these establishments
    but for the most part they have all been around for many years.

    is it possible to go to the city council first,
    to avoid them trying such a thing as passing an ordinance
    that would put me out of buisness before i even open the club.


    and after all of these obstacles comming into the lime light
    im thinking of other options, such as running a private service,
    for bechelour partys and such,
    but idealy i still want to open this club,
    its too bad you cant learn how to run a strib club
    at a junior college buisness class haha

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    im thinking of other options, such as running a private service,
    Then you have a whole NEW bag of problems esp. prostitution! You thought it was hard to find good quality, drug free, non-alcoholic (well not on the job anyway), reliable dancers for a club?! Try find them for a private party agency!

    Personally, I would rather open a Burlesque joint that has live bands and comedy acts etc than a strip club these days. It won't be as frowned upon and you most likely will be able to advertise more free-ly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl
    Then you have a whole NEW bag of problems esp. prostitution! You thought it was hard to find good quality, drug free, non-alcoholic (well not on the job anyway), reliable dancers for a club?! Try find them for a private party agency!

    Personally, I would rather open a Burlesque joint that has live bands and comedy acts etc than a strip club these days. It won't be as frowned upon and you most likely will be able to advertise more free-ly.
    oh no,
    day by day my dreams will fade
    haha

    so much for that dream,

    so in your most professional opinion

    opening a strip club now is a bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxernestoxx
    oh no,
    day by day my dreams will fade
    haha

    so much for that dream,

    so in your most professional opinion

    opening a strip club now is a bad idea?

    cheers
    -Ernesto
    I think it's a bad idea for you because you have no idea what you're getting yourself into. You don't really have any clue about the business, besides being a customer in the clubs. All you know is your perspective as a customer. You've never been behind the scenes as a bartender, bouncer, manager, etc.... You don't have any idea how to run a club, and therefore, I think you would be very unsucessful at it. Just my opinion.
    Take the road less traveled- just make sure you have a map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadisonM
    I think it's a bad idea for you because you have no idea what you're getting yourself into. You don't really have any clue about the business, besides being a customer in the clubs. All you know is your perspective as a customer. You've never been behind the scenes as a bartender, bouncer, manager, etc.... You don't have any idea how to run a club, and therefore, I think you would be very unsucessful at it. Just my opinion.

    did you make this threads title your signature?


    i am quite away of that,
    and i did say somewhere on the thread that i was looking into moonlighting as
    a bouncer for a while to get a feel for it,
    and ive also mentioned that my buisness partner has experience in buisness
    and currently owns a buisness, of course i still have lots and lots to learn
    and I have time and fully intend to learn all I can before I jump in head first.

    cheers
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    I would like to second MadisonM

    Your questions reveal alot.... If I were you, I would look at investing your money else-where. There are more lucrative and successful business opportunities out there.

    I know that if I had your sort of money (or the money you speak of eventually having) I would definately NOT invest it in the adult entertainment industry. There are seriously better ways to spend that sort of money and get a decent ROI.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl
    I would like to second MadisonM

    Your questions reveal alot.... If I were you, I would look at investing your money else-where. There are more lucrative and successful business opportunities out there.

    I know that if I had your sort of money (or the money you speak of eventually having) I would definately NOT invest it in the adult entertainment industry. There are seriously better ways to spend that sort of money and get a decent ROI.


    oh,
    dang

    so much disscouragment

    well

    yes

    i could get all that money with in a year,
    but its the only buisness venture that
    catches my attention
    other than that theres not much i like
    in terms of being a buisness owner.

    regular night clubs
    seem way riskier
    since they are so trendy

    and

    otherwise i might as well

    just trade the NYSE

    like all those cheesy wallstreet guys =/


    cheers
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    hate is a false pretense given to one by a bleeding heart. lust is not a friend of love, yet it gets the heart pumping. love is an emotion in its own right, it can lead to many difficult crossroads, the avenue of sorrow and apathy are in downtown heart ache, population one too many.

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    I wish I had a nickel for every PL customer who thought it'd be just a BRILLIANT idea to open his OWN club, where he could get all the action for free, and even make the girls PAY him

    Dude. If you're spending the money on the girls that you claim you are, you will NEVER have your own strip club. You've been a member for what? 3 days? And you've already got 69 posts bragging about your dreamclub and how much money you spend on the girls who let you do 2way contact. Omg I can't believe no one else has said it yet: PL PL PL PL PL PL PL!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette
    I wish I had a nickel for every PL customer who thought it'd be just a BRILLIANT idea to open his OWN club, where he could get all the action for free, and even make the girls PAY him

    Dude. If you're spending the money on the girls that you claim you are, you will NEVER have your own strip club. You've been a member for what? 3 days? And you've already got 69 posts bragging about your dreamclub and how much money you spend on the girls who let you do 2way contact. Omg I can't believe no one else has said it yet: PL PL PL PL PL PL PL!!!!


    first off PL?

    and it wasnt my idea,
    my boss approached me about the buisness venture
    and I thought it sounded rather interesting


    and no im not expecting free action
    you kidding?

    not even in my dreams haha

    and although i do spend most of my money there

    it wouldnt be hard to get the financial backing
    for such a investment

    i didnt expect to find so much ridecule
    on the site, i find that even more discouraging


    cheers
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    hate is a false pretense given to one by a bleeding heart. lust is not a friend of love, yet it gets the heart pumping. love is an emotion in its own right, it can lead to many difficult crossroads, the avenue of sorrow and apathy are in downtown heart ache, population one too many.

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