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    Arrow Am I doing something wrong or should I just quuit?

    One of the ways I try to see if a guy is interested is if he maintains eye contact with me and responses to my touch. Unfortunately, more often than not, I get no response. IF I do get a response, 8 times of 10 I still won't get a dance.
    At first, I thought it was my breath, so I kept Altoids on me at all times. Then, I thought it was BO, so I kept using body spray and perfume. Changed my hair, my flirt, my clothes,and my makeup. Still nothing. I prefer not to play the race card ( I'm Black), but I made $0 on a Saturday night.
    On top of everything else, it costs me $30 a day in cab fare to get back and forth to work. 5 days a week, $40 house fees, $50 on Friday and Saturday...you do the math!!!
    I know I've only been doing this for 2 months, and I can't pole dance at all, but I'm a clean dancer. Although, I'm not too sure how much longer I can do this. My rent and bills are due.

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    Well youve changed your appreance and your physical actions with the guys which is good but you didnt mention anything about your sales skills. It matters alot what you are saying to the guys to get them to buy.
    Would you mind giving us an everyday example of a scenario with you and a customer?
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    I agree with TM..it's more than just maintaining eye contact. What do you do/say around customers?? Oh, and poledancing is cool and all but it doesn't make you get more or less dances.







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    So has it been this way the entire time you've worked there or have things become this way recently? If it's just recent that's way different from if you were doing well when you first started and all of a sudden it changed. If it keeps up, maybe you could try out some new clubs, test the waters and see the what the difference in the $$ you make is .
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    Things I've tried:

    1. He: Not right now. Maybe later. I'll find you.
    Me: Why get later what you can have now?

    2. HE: What do I get in VIP?
    ME: See that girl there? (point to some random chick giving lapdance) You can either have what she's giving or get what I give in VIP (point to dark VIP area)!

    3. HE: How much is one dance?
    ME: I'm a VIP only girl. 3 for $100.

    I've even tried a FEEL,FELT,FOUND thing I saw in Hustle Hut, too. but it didn't work.
    I've tried the "act like a slut" thing, but the most $$ I've made is when I'm myself. But custys who appreciate that are far and few between. Besides, I STILL get no response when I try slutty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmlsuperspice

    3. HE: How much is one dance?
    ME: I'm a VIP only girl. 3 for $100.
    That seems like it would be a big turn off.

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    Also, you could try paying attention to who tips you on stage and approach them after you set to say thank you and to see if they want some company. Then, you could hustle, walk around the room, see who is looking your way and approach them-or, for the shy guys who won't approach you or give you eye contact, just walk up to their table and say hi, how are they, are they having fun, etc..then ask if they'd like your company. If they say no, which guys do because each of them has different tastes, just move on to the next customer until you find one that likes you. Unfortunately, rejection is part of this job, and you have to remember, it has nothing to do with you or how good you look, your personality, etc.. it's just guys have different preferences in what they are looking for in a dancer. ALL dancers get rejected. Some nights it seems like everyone loves you and some nights you go home feeling like a leper! (: All I can say is hustle, hustle, hustle! And never sit with a guy for more than two songs before moving on if he isn't interested in a dance...I hope this helps- I've only been dancing for four months myself.... (:

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmlsuperspice
    Things I've tried:

    1. He: Not right now. Maybe later. I'll find you.
    Me: Why get later what you can have now?

    2. HE: What do I get in VIP?
    ME: See that girl there? (point to some random chick giving lapdance) You can either have what she's giving or get what I give in VIP (point to dark VIP area)!

    3. HE: How much is one dance?
    ME: I'm a VIP only girl. 3 for $100.
    Help with #2: Say, "In VIP,you get 100% of my attention when we are alone. Its much more private where we get to have much more fun with just us two." You can change things out according to Vegas laws. Pointing to another girl who may be giving a 'dirty' dance only takes attention away from you for him to think about spending on someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by virgoamm
    So has it been this way the entire time you've worked there or have things become this way recently? If it's just recent that's way different from if you were doing well when you first started and all of a sudden it changed. If it keeps up, maybe you could try out some new clubs, test the waters and see the what the difference in the $$ is make.
    Pretty much the entire time. For example when I first start , I could do $50-200 during the week, and $60 Friday and Saturday. Then, it switched: $30-50 during the week, and $300-400 Friday and Saturday. Finally, this past weekend: Friday $500, Saturday $0!

    So what's up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by virgoamm
    Also, you could try paying attention to who tips you on stage and approach them after you set to say thank you and to see if they want some company.
    I religously do this. Lately, less and less custys are tipping much less paying any attention. Asian custys will get up and leave the stage wnen i approach.

    Quote Originally Posted by virgoamm
    Then, you could hustle, walk around the room, see who is looking your way and approach them-or, for the shy guys who won't approach you or give you eye contact, just walk up to their table and say hi, how are they, are they having fun, etc..then ask if they'd like your company. If they say no, which guys do because each of them has different tastes, just move on to the next customer until you find one that likes you.
    I do this also. One very slow empty night, I approached 15 out of 45 (the rest were Asian) custys...NOTHING!
    When I do catch them looking at me, they just turn away.If I approach, they say NO.

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    I agree with Corsicafire, by saying you're a VIP only girl, makes it sound like you're only about the money. Now we dancers are all about the money, however, we have to make the customer feel that it's not all about the money to them. You need make THAT PERSON feel very special, like he's "different" from everyone else that comes in the club and that you genuinely like him and genuinely want to get to know him better. You need to make him feel like you're his friend. People won't buy from you if they don't feel like you're acting out on their best interest because they're not concerned about your interests, they're not concerned that your rent is due, etc. their concern is they want to have a good time and it be their choice on what they do.

    The best way to get a customer in the VIP room is to first talk with them for a song or so to build the rapport, make them feel like you're their friend, make them like you; not just like your appearance but also like your personality like make them laugh, tell them a joke or something. Then give them a dance on the floor, start out the dance slowly, take your time taking your clothes off, give them a ton of eye contact, look them up & down like you think they're sexy as hell like you're undressing them with your eyes like they do to us, as the dance goes on, get more & more sexy, get more & more closer and finish the dance off very sexy & close to them. You don't have to grind or be dirty, be sexy & sensual. Then when the song is over say to them "You don't want me to stop now do you?" "I'm just getting warmed up" Most of them time they're going to say "No, I don't want you to stop", then you can either give them another dance and make it more sexy or say to them "I'm really in the mood to go play, and if you like what you've seen out here, you'll love what I've got for you in our PRIVATE room". Don't say VIP room, VIP room is very overused in clubs and customers are used to that word and usually hesitant to VIP, IMO, they are more conditioned to feel like they're being scammed and sold to by hearing VIP. I always, "I want some privacy with you so I can have you all to myself or you can have me all to yourself" something along those lines.

    Read sales books. Dancing in this decade is much more about the sales aspect than it is about seeing T & A. Men don't come to SC just to see naked women like they did years ago, men come to stripclubs for companionship, someone to talk to, someone to make them forget about their problems at work, at home, etc. They're looking for the GFE (girlfriend experience), those are the ones you want and those are usually the ones that have money to spend on you and will treat you well. Now, the ones that say "What do I get back there or what really goes on back there because I've heard......or can I touch you or how about afterwards you meet at my hotel room, etc. those are the ones that you need to just move on from because even if you did get them back in VIP, they'd be trying to stick their fingers in you, molesting and even maybe hurting you (on 2 different occasions I had a man bite me, spank my ass really hard and pull on me really hard to pull me on their lap) AVOID those, the money you get isn't worth it. Money comes & goes but those memories last a lifetime.

    So, read a lot of sales books. If you're busy like me, buy audio books and listen to them when you're in the car. And if you've only been dancing for 2 months, remember, it's going to take a while before you really get it. I've been dancing for 5 months and I'm still learning so much and I'm sure girls that have been dancing for years still learn new things. Don't give up, if all else fails, try a different club. Good luck, I'm rooting for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmlsuperspice
    Things I've tried:

    1. He: Not right now. Maybe later. I'll find you.
    Me: Why get later what you can have now?

    2. HE: What do I get in VIP?
    ME: See that girl there? (point to some random chick giving lapdance) You can either have what she's giving or get what I give in VIP (point to dark VIP area)!

    3. HE: How much is one dance?
    ME: I'm a VIP only girl. 3 for $100.
    1. How long are you sitting with him before popping the question?Usually what I do right before popping the question is squeeze their hand, or thigh and say, "you know I'm really having a great time with you, I'm ready to dance for you now, and I can tell you are too" And off we go. If he gives me a "maybe later" then I say, "ok well when would be a good time for me to come back?" They're usually honest..15min..whatever. I say ok, give them a peck on the cheek then I'm off to talk to someone else. ALWAYS LOOK BUSY

    2. Instead of pointing out the other girl who is over there giving dances, make him think YOU'RE the hottest girl in the room. Sell him about the privacy, the fact that you guys can spend some quiet, UNDIVIDED attention together, and you dont have to worry about boucers, waitresses and evryone coming to bother you every 5min. Let him believe it's all about you and him..take him to paradise..

    3. Being forceful like that is more than likely hurting your sales big time. For a to ask me how much a dance is he is obviously interested. What you should start off saying is, "Well that depends on how well you'd like for us to get to know eachother We could do our dances back there (point to vip area) in the VIP, where it's quiet, and secluded. or We could do a regular lapdance.." If your club offers table dances, I woudlnt' even make them an option.







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    Quote Originally Posted by tmlsuperspice
    When I do catch them looking at me, they just turn away.If I approach, they say NO.
    What type of club are you in..a "wanna dance" or a slower hustle club? I've worked in both, and for me I just cant' get away with the "wanna dance" the same way as white dancers can. I have to work just a wee bit harder to make my sale.







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    [QUOTE=tmlsuperspice]Things I've tried:

    1. He: Not right now. Maybe later. I'll find you.
    Me: Why get later what you can have now?

    That's usually not a good thing to say and may send the wrong signal to the customer. He may have just gotten there and is wanting to chill out for a while before getting a dance, OR he is not interested and that is his polite (although misguided) way of saying it. Try saying, okay-later? Well, you find me or I'll find you-see you then sweety! With a sexy smile and coy look...

    2. HE: What do I get in VIP?
    ME: See that girl there? (point to some random chick giving lapdance) You can either have what she's giving or get what I give in VIP (point to dark VIP area)!

    That sounds like an okay response

    3. HE: How much is one dance?
    ME: I'm a VIP only girl. 3 for $100.

    Bad answer, IMO. Normally, you upgrade to VIP if a customer is already enjoying your company. This will turn off a lot of potential customers because they have not spent any time with you yet and don't see why the should be spending the extra $$ in VIP if they haven't gotten a chance to get a regular dance from you and to see if they enjoy your company. Plus-you can bank on $20 dances too!

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    TML Super Spice, many of your earnings seem consistent to what I've made working in Vegas, and I am too a woman of color.

    Vegas is a tough place to reap consistent earnings. It is going to be hard to make dependable earnings there due to the fact that the clientele is increasingly becoming young guys in groups. Guys are easier to talk to in many other cities than Vegas.

    For a black dancer, being in a club where you can be one of the big fish in a small pond I think is more to your advantage. A club where you have a lot of regular customers, some of whom like you and will tip and buy dances from you because of that. Guys have A LOT of girls to choose from in Vegas clubs, and the clientele is transient. A black dancer needs to really learn how to dominate the customers if she is going to have a chance of competing with the sea of white dancers.

    Customers are cockier to dancers there than in other cities.

    Have you considered taking the Dancer Wealth seminar since the classes are held in Vegas? If you can hustle up the money, you probably will learn how to increase your earnings somewhat.

    What club are you at, and what shift are you working?

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    GEEZ!!!
    Some much of what I've been using have been "tips" from girls at my club.
    No wonder none of it has been working.
    As far as not spending too much time with one guy, lately a lot of custys have been telling me "I don't want to waste your time, but..." after sitting with them for only half a song.
    I even had one custy want VIP for 3 for $60 instead of $100, then telling me the "Russian girls" were charging 6 for $100 in VIP.
    WTF?

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    I agree that the "vip only" approach apperas to be a problem. It comes across as greedy and might even seem like you will rip them off. Try to get them to buy a regular dance and then upsell to vip. Even if it is a "wanna dance" environment, if you put more time into it and sit with them longer than most girls it will help. At night my club is kinda mostly "wanna dance" girls and i always sit down and talk before asking. The girls think i'm stupid and waste my time, but in the end guess who takes home more money consistently. Also, i could be wrong but a lot of times the ones that stare at you from across the room are not any easier to sell to than any other guy in there. Try the guys that look bored, like they need to be entertained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmlsuperspice
    GEEZ!!!
    Some much of what I've been using have been "tips" from girls at my club.
    No wonder none of it has been working.
    As far as not spending too much time with one guy, lately a lot of custys have been telling me "I don't want to waste your time, but..." after sitting with them for only half a song.
    I even had one custy want VIP for 3 for $60 instead of $100, then telling me the "Russian girls" were charging 6 for $100 in VIP.
    WTF?
    Girl, first off "tips" from other dancers I work with I never believe...Let me put it to you like this: We're all trying to make some money right TML..why would they give you some VALUABLE advice which could possibly help you make money? If you are making money, then that is less that they coudl've possibly made. I trust SW because we're scattered everywhere and we're not competing against eachother

    If a guy tells you, "I dont want to waste your time.." then hey take it for what it's worth. Either you're not his type or he's trying to pull that "misery loves company crap" if its the latter of the two then I still try to perk him up..if that doens't work then I'm out. You wont' be everyone's type..but for the guy who walks in the club are you are exactly what he's lookgin for, girly he will pay you handsomely







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    Treasures is kinda both: "wanna dance" and "sit and talk".
    For some girls, "wanna dance" with a dick grab works wonders. Usually, the foriegn girls do this.
    I've also seen girls "sit and talk" for 30 mins the go straight to the SKYBOX...which I have yet to get.
    I would love to take DanceWealth's seminar, but I gotta have the $$$ first.

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    Why do you say VIP only? That's killing your game, do you actually say that all the time?

    In Vegas, I banked by first selling a few $20 dances on the floor, THEN moving it over to VIP! Even if they didn't want to pay the extra for VIP, I would get money off of it. What led you to your approach?

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    ^^^^ Katrine, she said the dancers at work gave her those "pointers"







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    [QUOTE= Don't say VIP room, VIP room is very overused in clubs and customers are used to that word and usually hesitant to VIP, IMO, they are more conditioned to feel like they're being scammed and sold to by hearing VIP. I always, "I want some privacy with you so I can have you all to myself or you can have me all to yourself" something along those lines[/QUOTE]



    Great advice. A lot of guys instantly clam up at the mention of VIP.

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    One good suggestion for you to get you in the right selling mode is to get some good books on sales (there are numerous ones suggested already here in the HH) and learn and master only one major skill every ten days. Don't work on learning 50 skills in a week. Master one huge skill every two weeks and you'll start seeing results quickly. Remember practice does NOT make perfect...PERFECT practice makes perfect!

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    I'm finding out more and more reasons as to why I'm not making money that have nothing to do with me or my sales.

    I'm learning that there are a certain group of girls that are using tricks to take more than thier share of money from custys. For example, when the customer mentions that they want a dance in private, the girl will then lead them into VIP without mentioning where they are or prices. Then, they proceed to do 6 dances, tell the custy they owe $200, and then threaten to have them kicked out of the club if they don't pay. They're also the ones who are charging 5 for $100 in VIP instead of 3 for $100. So, these chicks walk out with a couple of grand and I walk out with $50.
    Is it time to get dirty too?

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    Is it time to get dirty too?
    Never ever is it time. Is management aware of the under-cutting happening? If management allows the under-cutting to happen then I would seriously consider changing clubs. You are in Vegas, there is no short supply of strip clubs.

    When under-cutting is rampant in a club and management isn't doing their job by trying to stop the under-cutting, it is going to be hard work for you indeed.


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