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    Default Laws!! help!

    i am currently working in alabama at a topless club and needed help on finding out the laws to be safe.

    I am in healthcare and soi could neeeever get any kind of citation for something at a stripclub because it could cost me my career!

    I have talked to the girls at the club about what the exact rules are. We have little mini stages where we do our private dances, custy sits on a couch or chair. the girls told me that you dont grind on laps, and they cant touch you and you dont touch them. I will put my hands on knees or shoulders, and i will get closer than on the little wood square. I have gotten within 3 feet but i see girls at my club do muuuuch worse...sit on laps, grind on laps sometimes or close to it, boobs making contact with custys face. I will have them close by but not touching face ever. I know you arent supposed to touch your own crotch, but can u touch ur own breasts?

    What can i do to make sure i dont get into trouble? Am i being paranoid?

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    Default Re: Laws!! help!

    http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/

    Scroll down to your jurisdiction.

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    Default Re: Laws!! help!

    assuming that there isn't some local ordinance that is more restrictive than Alabama state law, it starts out like this ...

    "Section 13A-12-120 Prostitution defined.

    For the purpose of this division, the term "prostitution" shall mean the commission by a person of any natural or unnatural sexual act, deviate sexual intercourse, or sexual contact for monetary consideration or other thing of value."

    it then moves to ...

    Section 13A-12-200.1 Definitions.

    22) SEXUAL CONDUCT. ( apparently equal to Sexual Contact) The term means:

    b. Any other physical contact with a person's unclothed genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or the breast or breasts of a female, whether alone or between members of the same or opposite sex or between a human and an animal, in an act of sexual stimulation, gratification or perversion."


    So the way an overzealous DA could read this, if a dancer is dancing on stage or doing a private dance some distance from a customer, and the customer has tipped at the stage or paid for a private dance, and the dancer touches her own breast or crotch or ass, that is sufficient grounds under Alabama state law to make a prostitution bust.


    Also, as Pan-Dah was politely trying to point out, in the final analysis a dancer will have zero credibility with a local judge and jury comprised of housewives, retirees etc. compared to a local cop. Thus no matter what you actually did or didn't do, if a cop says you're guilty, unless you can produce hard evidence of your innocence (such as a club security tape which recorded your actual dance movements) the odds are that you will be found guilty. This is the reason that most DA's and club attorneys will offer, and most dancers who are unprepared to fund their own independent legal defense will accept, a plea bargain agreement. Accepting a plea bargain avoids jail time (and the club usually pays the fine), but does constitute a legal admission of guilt on the part of the dancer who accepts it.

    If a dancer is prepared to fund her own defense, she can decline the plea bargain and let her case go to local court. 90% odds she'll be found guilty. However, unlike the plea bargain, this local court guilty verdict will probably net her several days in the slammer on top of a typical $500-$1000 fine (which, because she didn't accept the club attorney's plea bargain, she must pay out of her own pocket).

    if the dancer is FULLY prepared to fund her own defense, she can appeal the local court decision and get the case kicked up to appeals court - which is free of local politics, local axe grinding etc. as well as free of a jury. Filing an appeal will 'stay' the local court's decision and sentencing and keep her out of jail. Additionally, appeals court judges will take an objective look at the evidence (or lack thereof) rather than the typically emotional view of the local jury (who probably believes that every dancer is a lying, thieving, drug addicted whore who would say or do anything to avoid the punishment she so rightly deserves LOL). But the costs of mounting an appeal start at $5,000 or so, which has to come 100% out of the dancer's pocket - up front !

    As I have posted in other threads, I also have major reason not to want a bogus prostitution bust on my record ... specifically my Respiratory Therapist's license, which I may want to use again someday. The last time I was the victim of a bogus bust, it cost me nearly $10,000 all costs included to 'prove my innocence' in appeals court.
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    Default Re: Laws!! help!

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    For the purpose of this division, the term "prostitution" shall mean the commission by a person of any natural or unnatural sexual act, deviate sexual intercourse, or sexual contact for monetary consideration or other thing of value."
    What a harsh environment to work in as a stripper.

    That is just so INCREDIBLY broad it's not even funny: "other thing of value"? I've always thought that professional gold-diggers were the lowest of the low, but this sounds like this criminalises it. Maybe it criminalises marriage, too. Heck, seen the way some overzealous prosecutors like to see things, I think it criminalises sex itself: one only has to call the "other thing of value" the "high" that some get from having sex...

    For the record, I'm against all prostitution laws. The only type of prostitution that I see as worthy of any control is aggressive street prostitution, which can be dealt with under other laws, the same that would be used for any kind of aggressive street soliciting. All the above, of course, only applies to consenting adults, I'd loose the most venal prosecutors on the other types :-).

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