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    Default Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    I've been working in a club for a few weeks now, and although I'm better on stage than some girls, I'm not getting paid for that, so it's fairly by-the-by. I've had to do the day shift for a while (all new girls have to) now I'm moving onto nights. But I'm just not very good at making money, after all my expensive travel costs and house fees, I do mostly break-even. I've not been tipped once yet either, grrr! I think I spend too much time with the guys, I do get a dance at the end of it, usually, but during that time I could have probably gone and asked 5 other guys for dances! So it's not cost effective. I worked 16 hours on Monday (double shift) and I lost money - however it was utterly dead, I don't think I was the only one. It just doesn't seem right, it goes against the grain of Karma to put so much effort in and get nothing out!
    I also end-up talking about very intellegent things, because I'm a smart girl, and I have a VERY 'posh' accent. The men that go into this club are mostly high-society, and I'm not so far from that myself. I think they respect me too much and that doesn't seem to bode well for getting money. I guess what they want is a vacuous sex object, which is fine, I'm just not sure how to go about that. Any suggestions as to how to keep conversations very light, and very quick and, naturally, sexy so that I can maxamise my earnings? All the guys like me, but more like a trusted friend by the end of it...I'm just too me, which is classy and lovely and only subtley seductive, I need a new persona! Help!
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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    Have you tried reading through hustle hut? I personally think working dayshift gives you the best time to polish your sales skills. It's slower, and you meet with an older crowd.

    I do not recommend working 16hrs. You will be sluggish, drained, and the customers can see it. They can smell the desperation I think.

    How long are most girls sitting and talking with customers before they either get a dance, or move on? I'd follow their lead...If most girls are only sitting with a guy 1-2 songs before moving off, well then there is no point in you sitting with a guy for 5 songs. He's sucking up your time for free..and WE DON'T WORK FOR FREE!!

    Good luck,
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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    There's kind of a rule that you only sit with them for 5 songs (all are timed 3 minutes, so 15 mins) unless they buy you a drink or a dance. No-one has actually inforced this however. I lose track of time though. I really should stick to it, but spending alot of time with them seems to be the only way I've figured out how to get a dance, but I'm not there for idle chat, I'm there to make money! I'm a foolish girl, urgh. I just need to find a way to condence it all into a fast passed flirting thing which makes them want to buy a dance. As well, a lot of the girls kind of hunt in packs, but I'm very socially conscious so when I'm in a group I let the other's talk and I listen (it's polite, right?) but then I end up looking like a shrinking violet, which I'm not. So I can only really go for the lone men right now. Who are more likely to be the weirdos, the men it groups are nicer! Oh, of all the things I worried about before I started this job, talking to people was not in there. This is madness. I'll read the hustle hut, I think I just need to bang my head against the pole until some sense goes in.
    Yeah, I know, I won't be doing 16 hours again, that's for sure! I still have a sore back from walking around in the shoes - plus 8 hours is long enough; right near the begining of my second shift I already wanted to go home, and you're totally right I'm sure that everyone could see how sad and tired I looked. Just one of those days. The night manager was really sweet though he let me not pay comission on my dances, otherwise I didn't have the cash to get home - I think that desperation really did show through. But I just hate getting called to stage when you're just about to make a dance with a guy. *Sigh*
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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    Try and look at your customers from a male POV as well. Most guys go into strip venues with a stereotypical view of a "stripper". (And never get to find out the difference between fantasy and reality).

    Most guys would think:

    (a) You're getting a real kick out of being naked in front of him.
    (b) You like him as a person.
    (c) If he goes about it in the right way you might meet him outside the club.

    Try ticking some of these boxes.

    For (a) try dropping into the conversation "dancing is my dream job". Giggle girlishly and blush if he tried to follow up.

    For (b) get a book on body language and learn the flirtation signals we all make. Imitate as required.

    For (c), you're single and looking. It's a pity you're too busy with other matters to find time for a BF for the next month or two.

    Talk to the other dancers and find out what a typical customer's view of a dancer is, then try and behave in a manner that confrms his expectations.

    Phil.

    PS: If you can't make money in the clubs, try the London strip pub curcuit. It's a bit different, but you'll always walk away from a shift with money.

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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    I think you should try a new club, giving them 8 £ out of each dance you make is a rip off (tell me if I`m wrong but that do have this new system even in SR in Central London,don`t they ?). You can`t make very good money there unless you`ve got sitdowns and those can be quite hard to get when you are a new girl (what do you think from your own experience ???).

    I`ve spoken with many girls that left the club after the new system was introduced. Why don`t you try the FYEO in Croydon,it would be closer to you and it`s not so bad (but as any other place,they`ve got bad and good nights... Fri and Sat should be the busiest...). It`s fully nude now, 20 £ per dance, the maximum payout to the club is 80 £ if your night went well.

    But you can try any other club, there are more than plenty in London.

    Lots of luck and keep us informed.

    Sydney xxx

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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    I like working in SMR, I feel really safe, and I know girls are making money in there. It might be harder for me, as a newbie, but I think being chucked in at the deep-end is a good way to learn...I hope! I didn't do too badly last Friday, considering their were 94 girls working and only half the club can be filled (they're re-furbishing) I made £100ish, and Tuesday I made £150. I still talk to the guys too long though, I'm hoping I'll just learn to avoid the ones who aren't going to pay much. I'm so naive. This Saturday it's a themed night, and I've got a little fantasy out-fit, maybe that'll get me into another charactre, one that makes money. Thanks for all your advice!
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    Lots of Love, Naomi xXx

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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    You'd be very surprised to find that some customers ARE ready to say yes within 1 or 2 songs. You've just got to move your hustle along a bit more rapidly. I used to have the exact same problem- I'd generally get dances out of the customers, but only after I had learned their entire life history! Now, I just ask a few general questions, flirt a LOT, and then pop the question as soon as I can, and it really works. As girls, we really like establishing that connection, but I think that the customers, for the most part, will have decided in a few minutes whether or not you're someone they would like to buy a dance from.
    If you are deeply involved in a conversation, I find it easiest to say something along the lines of "I LOVE talking to you but I really do need to get back to work... are you ready to continue this in the VIP?", that way it gives them the option to continue talking to you if they want, but also to sell what you're there to sell!

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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    if you think you're pretty good on stage and you haven't been tipped yet, one of two things is happening:

    1. your view of "good dancing" is not the same as the customers. you can be a great dancer in general and still not be a great strip tease dancer. if you're "club dancing" on stage it's probably why you aren't getting tipped and could be why you aren't selling as many dances, since it screams "I'M NEW".

    2. your dancing is fine, but your club doesn't attract big tippers. time to find a new club.

    also, as far as the "talking to custys too long" thing, this is a HUGE mistake. i used to be really bad about it. if you haven't made any money after 2 songs, meaning he hasn't tipped you and/or bought you a drink and showed interest, ask for the dance then. if he says "maybe in a little bit" it means "no" if he says "we'll see" or "i don't know" it means "no". move on. you can wait on asking to dance if he's tipping you for your time. also, you can extent that "2 songs max" rule a little bit if it's really dead and you think he's just shy... but i still wouldn't push it too far. the way i see it is, guys who want deep conversation at the club should pay for deep conversation at the club (and many do). guys who want dances should pay for dances and generally don't wait too long (after getting a drink or two in them). there -are- guys who don't buy dances who will tip you a 20 or so every 10-20 minutes. they are generally the ones interested in good coversation or who are just lonely. if you're ok with conversation, seek these guys out. they tend to avoid the ditzy strippers. they're my favorite type of customer, not because they don't buy dances, but because on a whole they're generaly more respectfull and some of them are very interesting to talk to. plus, i won't lie, making a few hundred bucks without having to dance is pretty awesome.

    i started to ramble a bit, but basically what i'm saying is... don't rule out a custy because he doesn't want a dance, but don't sit there for 20 minutes unless he's been tipping you well. oh and, some guys like to establish a friendship first before they become big spending regulars. so, if it's slow and someone who has tipped you decent in the past is in the club, talk him up. he might become a regular. also, it doesn't hurt to be friendly with all the customers. you don't have to sit down to just say hi and run your fingers down his back. little things like that keep you in the customer's mind.

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    Default Re: Hmm...I'm don't think I'm getting this right.

    There are girls who get tipped, but those are usually the ones who are super amazing on the pole - seriously, unreal - or the ones who do girl on girl shows. Neither of which I do, yet. I think guys do tip, but many girls asked to be tipped aswell...I'm just not sure I can do that! I almost feel guilty taking £20 for three minutes worth of dance, lol, the money's too easy!
    The other girls have said I don't look out of place on stage, plus I took lessons at the club, but once I get talking to a guy it's truely obvious, I'm not blunt enough, I do flirt but not enough - guys seem to like the fact that I'm 'different' to the other girls, which is all well and good, as long as I'm making money the same as them.
    Nothing is fool proof to a sufficiently talented fool.

    Lots of Love, Naomi xXx

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