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    This was spoken of years ago ... where does it stop?

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    I saw that sign at our school. I wrote under it "We have something in common"

    School was all in an uproar.

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    Knives that are only good as weapons are already illegal, aren't they?

    But yes. It could, in theory, "not stop" until every object that is used exclusively to hurt other humans is restricted or banned. How terrible.
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    Banning knives that are only good as weapons does nothing. Once can go to k-mart and buy a gaint kitchen knife or meat cleaver, and do some nasty damage. Why in the hell is that a picture of a pocket knife there, or am I looking at the red one wrong? Some knives actually have uses other than killing. Next they will want to ban razors.
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    Of course, there are objects that have uses OTHER than killing people that CAN kill people. Your hands for one - nobody is suggesting cutting them off. (Sorry, these are now restricted). However, that like saying there is no difference between a hunting rifle and an assault weapon because you could inflict damage with the hunting rifle. Yes, but the hunting rifle DOES have other use. You might be buying for some purpose OTHER than to shoot people. You might actually buy a meat cleaver to cleave meat. Knives of all kinds have been banned for a long, long time - nigh on 70 years - in certain environments (schools for example), because although you may need a hunting knife to hunt, you really have no reason to have it in school, right? Which is not to say that it is the only way you can hurt someone in school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Of course, there are objects that have uses OTHER than killing people that CAN kill people. Your hands for one - nobody is suggesting cutting them off. (Sorry, these are now restricted).
    I would argue the hands (and more importantly yet, the brain controlling those hands) are far more dangerous than any object those hands possess.

    After all, an assault weapon or switchblade sitting by itself in a drawer is essentially harmless until a person with malicious intent or incompetence puts their hands on it.

    On the other hand (pun not intended), an object made for other purposes other than killing but which can be used to kill (deer rifle, kitchen knife, box cutter, automobile, baseball bat, rat poison, gasoline, amonium nitrate fertilizer, etc.) is very dangerous once a person with malicious intent or incompetence gets their hands on it. Hence the anti-gun control credo, "Guns (or knives) don't kill people. People kill people."
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    Yes, but despite the charming notion that handguns sit around in a drawer until some unsuspecting raccoon toys with it, there is still no reason to have a handgun, switchblade, assault weapon if you're NOT planning to kill someone with it. If the intent is truly to let it sit in a drawer, from whence comes the resistence to NOT having it sit in a drawer? Never made sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Yes, but despite the charming notion that handguns sit around in a drawer until some unsuspecting raccoon toys with it, there is still no reason to have a handgun, switchblade, assault weapon if you're NOT planning to kill someone with it.
    With respect to a handgun, I can think of one very good reason, in fact, its the primary reason most people own them, to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their property from thugs intent on doing harm.

    Banning something does not make that something dissapear into the abyss where it can't be used by anyone. If you take the right of law abiding people to own such weapons away you have created a dangerous enviroment of disarmament where only criminals will possess them.

    Look at this logically. Do you really think that someone who intends to take a human life, or otherwise cause serious physical harm really gives a rat's fink about a comparitively small fry weapon possession law?

    Never made sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Yes, but despite the charming notion that handguns sit around in a drawer until some unsuspecting raccoon toys with it, there is still no reason to have a handgun, switchblade, assault weapon if you're NOT planning to kill someone with it. If the intent is truly to let it sit in a drawer, from whence comes the resistence to NOT having it sit in a drawer? Never made sense to me.
    Same could be said about mace.

    Many cities with gun control laws have also outlawed stun guns, mace, and pepper spray.


    It is simply a plan to make you, the individual, vulnerable to a predator with greater natural power (or illegal power.)

    Now that doesn't make sense.

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    To legally carry mace or any chemical irritant in Massachusetts, you must obtain a valid firearm identification card (FID)—a process which, in Cambridge, requires proof of U.S. citizenship, proof of Cambridge residence, fingerprinting and background checks. There is a fee of $25 for the license and an extra $20 fingerprinting fee.


    Liberalism with "weapon control" at it's best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish
    With respect to a handgun, I can think of one very good reason, in fact, its the primary reason most people own them, to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their property from thugs intent on doing harm.
    Certainly. But that argument would be much more compelling if there wasn't ample, plentiful, plethoratical evidence that that particular use is not wildly effective.

    Banning something does not make that something dissapear into the abyss where it can't be used by anyone. If you take the right of law abiding people to own such weapons away you have created a dangerous enviroment of disarmament where only criminals will possess them.
    Again - this argument would be more compelling if we didn't have ample, plentiful etc. evidence that wasn't happening. That limiting the distribution of guns actually seems to make them harder for criminals to get as well.

    Look at this logically. Do you really think that someone who intends to take a human life, or otherwise cause serious physical harm really gives a rat's fink about a comparitively small fry weapon possession law?
    No. I would assume - and I'm not sure of this, but it seems logical - that the strict laws on distribution (as I said) mean less guns around, which means fewer guns running around illegally. At least, that seems to be the case in most of the Northwestern world. So it's not that the arguments don't make sense; they do. But they are sophitical insofar as they do deny extant reality.

    Deogal: I thought you had me on ignore. Whatever happened to that? It's not like me or my mode of expression has greatly changed. You can ask around. In any event, I would refer you to the above. That simply doesn't seem to happen. And I agree about the thing with mace. Because making mace widely available as a defensive aid, also makes it widely available as an offensive one. To me that seems perfectly obvious. What is to stop some predator from buying the freely available mace and using it on you? If you are carrying around a weapon what is so wrong with having some catalogue of who purchases the weapons, along with some mode of identifying them if said weapon (that again, has no purpose except to hurt another human being. We're not talking about kitchen cutlery here) is used for what we might call "bad" purposes? Of course we want that.
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    I only have a few people truly on ignore. I mean that while I read your responses, I merely shake my head and think "What a gamboon."

    But hey - I realize you are far to the left and living outside of reality and people who read this hopefully will realize how unrealistic your outlook is when they are not allowed to carry mace when leaving the strip club on those cold dark nights without paying a bunch of money and having their background scrutinized.

    I mean - do you really think the police are going to OK a fire arms card to a person with a pot bust on their record? Or any other number of possible trouble most free spirited types get into with authority?

    Even if it is simply for a bottle of mace?

    You are simply wishing for how reality would be instead of dealing with how reality is. You have middle class suburbia naive written all over you.

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    As the saying goes


    When you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have guns...


    The news from Scotland........ Seems the Importation of Illegal firearms by criminals to arm criminals is becoming a profitable business......




    Here is a book with many stories of honest ordinary people protecting themselves and the loved ones with firearms against criminals intending to hurt, maim, kill, or rape them



    Check out the other six books in the listed on the page too.


    I am looking for the archive of all the stories that were printed in the front of Guns & Ammo............


    Oops Scratch that it was American Rifleman

    Armed Citizen is the name of the column. this is a collection of stories gathered from news reports around the nation showcasing Private Citizens protecting themselves from crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Yes, but despite the charming notion that handguns sit around in a drawer until some unsuspecting raccoon toys with it, there is still no reason to have a handgun, switchblade, assault weapon if you're NOT planning to kill someone with it. If the intent is truly to let it sit in a drawer, from whence comes the resistence to NOT having it sit in a drawer? Never made sense to me.
    Who said anything about planning to kill some one? Why do you WANT to kill someone anyway?

    yes the intent is to let the firearm sit idle in the drawer. It is insurance you may not need it but, it is good to have it.

    The STG 44 also known as the MP 44 is the only weapon titled an Assault weapon.

    SturmGewehr .............. the Army doesn't use this term for anything in it's inventory, I know of zero Police agencies that use this term for anything the might field. So it remains a word generated by the Anti gun establishment since presumably it sounds scarier to the uniformed and more easily misled public.

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    Ban alcohol, tobacco, butter, bacon, and everything else that's potentially harmful while you're at it!


    Edit- and ban Katrine's tits. (You can send them to my house for safekeeping.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    My tits have destroyed many a man's bank account. They've caused billions of our men's potential children to die mercilleslly through suffocation by Kleenex. Ban them immediately!
    Now THAT should be your new sig. & You did a public service, Miss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT.
    Who said anything about planning to kill some one? Why do you WANT to kill someone anyway?
    Well, some people just make me really mad.

    yes the intent is to let the firearm sit idle in the drawer. It is insurance you may not need it but, it is good to have it.
    Again - isn't there fairly ample evidence that this particular brand of insurance is ineffective and prone to backfiring? (No pun intended).

    The STG 44 also known as the MP 44 is the only weapon titled an Assault weapon.
    Okay. I mean I accept the correction, and I'm sure it is very meaningful to you, but the specific nomenclature of different kinds of guns is not all THAT important to my meaning.

    SturmGewehr .............. the Army doesn't use this term for anything in it's inventory, I know of zero Police agencies that use this term for anything the might field. So it remains a word generated by the Anti gun establishment since presumably it sounds scarier to the uniformed and more easily misled public.
    I actually don't know what any of this means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Well, some people just make me really mad.


    That was honest I give you that. However why should your strong desires be forcefully subjected upon me. I am a regular person. I am not crazy, I don't beat up girlfriends, I am not a deserter, I have never renounced my citizenship, never commited a felony, I am not wanted, I am not a legal Alien or Illegal one either. So what have I done that makes me a bad person and cannot have firearms? Those are question on the BATF form 4473 by the way. I humbly submit to a screening of my good self and then with the Governments permission I am allowed to exercise a RIGHT guaranteed by the Bill of Rights,and the Constitution.

    Do you not believe that a Citizen has the Right to Defend themselves? That a citizen does have the Right to Defend themselves with the most effective means necessary? 911 won't be able to do anything but record your screams if that is your personal protection.............................

    Again - isn't there fairly ample evidence that this particular brand of insurance is ineffective and prone to backfiring? (No pun intended).


    Absolutely not. If you are quoting Dr Kellermans (sigh) research just be advised it is flawed. Why do we pay the Centers for Disease Control to study gun violence anyway. When did viruses and bacteria start carrying guns anyway. Dr Kellermans research was flawed in the manipulation of data collection. Such as a Juvenile Gang member killed by a rival gang member is listed as a child. Regardless of the situation that brought them there to inflate the numbers of victims. The "study" centered on urban high crime areas. This skews results because the urban high crime area is not representative of the whole of America.

    I blame this result on how many orgaiztions are funded. Grants...... Grants proposals or Studies conducted that are favorable to the position of the organization that will provide the Grant.

    This is where the Pro-Constitution/ProGun rights organizations need to get up and showcase where responsible gun owners save lives. Often their own. Stopping Rapes, preventing attacks on their person, etc.

    Okay. I mean I accept the correction, and I'm sure it is very meaningful to you, but the specific nomenclature of different kinds of guns is not all THAT important to my meaning.

    Naming something correctly, connecting two words ASSAULT and WEAPONS together to scare the bejeezus out of soccer moms ad pensioners is propagandist rhetoric. FIREARMS just doesn't have that negative emotional impact that the Anti Gun crowd is looking for when campaigning. Firearms as a title summons up images of Great great greats old side by side shotgun that hangs over te mantle as a family heirloom. As it should.

    Firearms ownership is a Right we should responsibly pass on to our Children so that this Republic may last a little longer on the Democratic principles it was founded upon.


    I actually don't know what any of this means.
    Which is why I ask that you spend sometime doing some research. Learn about firearms ownership. Before you endorse judgements intended to strip away rights based on wild emotional reactions.

    Oh and it means Assault Weapons is an invention of another though to often irresponsibly exercised Right the Freedom of the Press. It sells more Papers. Thank you Mr Hearst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT.
    Which is why I ask that you spend sometime doing some research. Learn about firearms ownership. Before you endorse judgements intended to strip away rights based on wild emotional reactions.

    Oh and it means Assault Weapons is an invention of another though to often irresponsibly exercised Right the Freedom of the Press. It sells more Papers. Thank you Mr Hearst.

    Really... if there is any right that should be curbed because of abuse... it should be freedom of the press.

    And I am serious about this - paparrazzi stalking and terrorizing people, tabloids repeatedly lying, hell - some news organizations flat out blindsiding the public with false biased information (Rathergate.)

    People have actually died because of this nonsense, there have been traffic accidents, and the Republic has been harmed because few decent people want to become involved in it's leadership.

    Throw in a bunch of nonsense about curbing other rights - like gun ownership - I dare say it is actually on the path to destroying the constitution.

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    Dude!
    You totally did that on purpose so I couldn't conveniently quote you!

    Do you not believe that a Citizen has the Right to Defend themselves? That a citizen does have the Right to Defend themselves with the most effective means necessary? 911 won't be able to do anything but record your screams if that is your personal protection.............................
    Wow, that's a loaded question. I would question why you say "citizen" instead of person (you know, first thing). Most rights are afforded to persons; only certain rights (like voting) being limited to citizenry. Further, part of the whole contention is whether firearms (does that term make you happier?) are the most effective way of making the citizenry safe, or whether they are in fact making it more unsafe. So, yes - I think that people have the right to be safe. It is the methodology that is in question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT.
    Which is why I ask that you spend sometime doing some research. Learn about firearms ownership. Before you endorse judgements intended to strip away rights based on wild emotional reactions.
    Yeah, that the thing - in most countries, in most places this isn't really a right. So it's hard to get all that worked up about your "right". THAT seems to me to be the wild emotional reaction, not limiting the use of weapons (no assault this time) intended only to hurt or kill other people. We're not talking about a right to a fair trial here. It's not like "controlled hand guns today, Big Brother tomorrow".

    Oh and it means Assault Weapons is an invention of another though to often irresponsibly exercised Right the Freedom of the Press. It sells more Papers. Thank you Mr Hearst.
    So you dislike the term Assault Weapons. Very well. I dislike the term "pro life" (also an invention, by the way). I don't use the term, but I don't pretend that when other people use it, it isn't a legitimate signifier. In any case, I think you could be overestimating the "emotional effect" of the terminology. But I do thank you for letting me know.
    What language would you use to differentiate a gun that is intended to be used for killiing people as opposed to (for example) killing deer, or starting a race? The hell with research; I'll just ask.
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    Not intending to change your silly rose colored notions of the world Jenny, but when the black male entered my house in Vegas and attacked me with a knife... I believe the thing that sent his scummy ass packing out my door was my .40 cal P99 pointed at his ugly mug. You can dream of "Lollipop Land" and the "Kumbaya We All Get Along Kountry" all you please but here in the real world that ain't "Mister Rogers Neighborhood" I'll take my chances with bringin the gun to the knife fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Yeah, that the thing - in most countries, in most places this isn't really a right. So it's hard to get all that worked up about your "right".
    I think you will find in those countries there are a lot of things that are not a "right."

    In fact, in most countries, there are not a lot of rights to anyone... except for those with the guns.

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    OK I know guns kill a lot people. Yet I think we should not get rid of them! Come on now! If people want to get stuff when it is illegal. They will get it! Look at drugs for example. It so legal yet most of the country is on them! I believe we should enforce more education about guns. Maybe some type of guns should be limited to the public. Chicago had a no hand gun policy! Yet people die so often her from an handgun shooting! So banning guns will not do anything, to crimmals when they get them illegaly! It just make it more differcult for innocent people to defend them selves agaisnt crazy crimmals. I believe we should always keep the right to bare arms. Our fore father was not stupid. Humman nature will never change. Violence dose not solve promblems. Neithier dose taking away the right to bare arms. Violence dose not solve promblems, But the majority of this nation do not seem to think so! How do you protect yourself from people like that? If we educated people about guns. How to hide them from children. Like using a gun safe(my dad has one) To keep it lock and away from children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Maimed
    Not intending to change your silly rose colored notions of the world Jenny, but when the black male entered my house in Vegas and attacked me with a knife... I believe the thing that sent his scummy ass packing out my door was my .40 cal P99 pointed at his ugly mug. You can dream of "Lollipop Land" and the "Kumbaya We All Get Along Kountry" all you please but here in the real world that ain't "Mister Rogers Neighborhood" I'll take my chances with bringin the gun to the knife fight!
    Oh! So that's what it's like in the Real World that I've heard so much about! I had no idea. You see, I live in a Fraggle Palace. On the moon. I know nothing of the real world except what I'm told. Preferably by condescending pricks.

    So thanks! This has been super-educational!
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    To really understand the ramifications, take a look at the crime rates in US states that already have strict gun control versus crime rates in states where virtually every homeowner is packing ! The stats show that states whose strict gun control laws virtually assure that potential victims will be unarmed thus unable to effectively defend themselves have significantly higher crime rates than states where the potential victim may actually be better armed than the criminal !



    (snip)"4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don't.

    True. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns."(snip)

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