http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/sto...2631490&page=1
http://www.statesman.com/news/conten...24/24lipo.html
I cant flippin believe this? 12? 12!?





http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/sto...2631490&page=1
http://www.statesman.com/news/conten...24/24lipo.html
I cant flippin believe this? 12? 12!?
you live like an ivy vine
you can only survive by clinging onto trees
that's your flaw
put down some roots so you can stand on your own
-Kenpachi





That's ridiculous...I understand that she is at a heavy weight for her age but sheesh what message is this sending the child? Everytime she gets a little to heavy she has to go under the knife? Surgery is not a quick fix...I think the trouble is just beginning with this child..
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10+ year olds getting lipo and 21+ year olds can't get permanent birthcontrol.
Hello double standard.
Hey as long as we're old enough to fight and die for our country right?
Unless you want to pay to look thin...then you can be younger!
People are not ruled by their memories.
what about the lapband or whatever they call it would that have not been a better soultion?
sick. take the money spent on lipo and get the kid a personal trainer and a nutritionist. A therapist to deal with the mental anguish and a new wardrobe for her knew, well deserved and worked for body.
Isn't that the truth?Originally Posted by Mastridonicus





Her parents obviously suck. There was nothing said about her having any health disorder causing her to be unable to lose weight or at least stop gaining. Clearly it was just a matter of poor diet and lack of exercise. "Been on a diet since she was 3" = horseshit. I guarantee you that girl has been overeating and laying on her ass doing NO exercise her whole life - and her parents are to blame.
Saddest part is she will likely have far more on-going problems because of all this. Problems that could have been prevented if her parents were worth a shit.
That's terrible. Although it may boost her self-confidence now, it isn't going to make her instantly healthier, and doesn't really push that hard on taking better care of yourself. If she was gaining and gaining before, shes gonna keep gaining the weight until someone works with her so she may learn how to finally lose it and keep it that way.
With all the stupid things guys will say, stay cool.![]()
"Her apartment is littered with soggy G-strings and cheap 8-inch heeled shoes, along with empty tubes of body glitter, mascara, prescription drugs, zit cream, Aqua Net and Polaroid pictures of her and her "friends" engaged in some drinking and dancing on St. Patrick's Day last year. "My God....




I read that story in People magazine and I really liked it. Even though I didn't like the part where it said that she is really sticking to a diet now when she should have been before the lipo, it seemed to give her more motivation and prevented health problems that she was heading towards.
Yeah, If she'd truly been on a "diet" since she was 3, then won't she in theory, just gain all the weight back anyway??? Wouldn't that signal that you had some sort of health problem if you ate right, even most of the time, got some exercise, and you still packed on pounds every year??? The parents are so effin stupid and lazy. Providing this girl with this quick fix, and letting a dangerous amount of fat to be sucked out of her body. Do they really think this will elimanate the teasing once her new body and new good looks wear off?? Pretty soon she will again be the fat bitch at school who was so fat the doctor had to suck it out. I'm not being mean, but come on, the cruel kids will just find something new to tease her about. I think the diet the parents keep refering to is the cheese puff, ice cream, and fatty meat diet. Perhaps they they thought fries and ketchup were good veggies. Diet since she was 3 my ass!!!!!!!!
Okay.
I (obviously) disagree with lipoing a 12 year old. I'm not really that hot on lipo at all; really, I'm not wildly hot on any cosmetic surgery. However you cannot guarantee or know about that girl's life. Some people are more prone to that kind of build than others. This is not an excuse. It is just a fact. I have an aunt who eats far less than I do (and I don't actually eat much), and has been morbidly obese her whole life. She doesn't do a lot of exercise because (and here's the catch 22) it can be very hard to exercise when you are 250 pounds. So; first I would like to say that she and her parents are actually in a better place than we are to know about her personal health/exercise/diet regimen.
Things I wonder about - her doctor is not portrayed as being the hottest on medical ethics. On the contrary he seems to be one of the factory cosmetic surgeons who do what we would call pay for play. It makes me wonder about how much of her medical history he really bothered with. He has a bit of a local reputation apparently, for being a little flippant with medical ethics. I also wonder if he was the first doctor they went to.
Although they say that her results from dieting were abnormal (it is not average to lose 1/2 pound a week), it was exacerbated by the fact that she did not regularly stick with it. Her weight gain was evidently seasonal. She apparently did some activity in school, but it was not readily reflected in weight loss (jump rope. Generally accepted as a pretty solid cardio exercise) or health.
She does say that she has subsequently lost more weight. I'm not sure how this weighs in. It would certainly be a lot easier to get off the couch and run a mile (or whatever) if you are lugging 160 pounds instead of 220.
Finally - doesn't it seem odd that we are all for women doing all sorts of weird things to themselves "to feel better" (I'm leaving out our more specific issues - BAs etc., also have a solid basis in sheet economic value) from nose jobs to face lifts to botox but we get all bent out of shape over lipo and age? I mean, I think there is a hefty dose here of "she is a fat pig and doesn't DESERVE to feel good about herself until she has suffered for it. Nobody ever gave ME any lipo. I had to diet and exercise - what makes her so damn special?" I'm not saying that there is not a legitimate concern about cosmetic procedures on a 12 year old; but as her father and doctor said, such procedures are done ALL the time to correct birth defects, accident victims etc., on children of all ages. We're not so worried about the risks and her understanding of undertaking them in those cases. And severe scarring, although ugly, is not likely to be as detrimental to her overall health as weighing 220 pounds. And we don't mind adult women trying to make themselves more perfect in what might be called a frivolous manner. So what is it about the intersection here that bothers us so much?
I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth




They should have that child to see a Doctor about her Thyroid and the host of other medical problems that causes excessive weight gain.
Plus, I can understand about being overweight, no one would be so critical if the little girl were freakishly tall. Or was deformed in some other way..
Little Kids are mean. Like, really, really mean. One thing thats different or out of place and they will pounce on it like vultures.
I think a gastric bypass would have been a better idea, but what do I know?![]()





No. NO. You can't tell me you think a 12yo, any 12yo, should be getting lipo. Her parents should have done something BETTER, long before she got to that point. No one is blaming the girl - duh. We are blaming her PARENTS for doing a poor job with her, because THEY would have been the ones to teach her how to eat and exercise BEFORE she got to be 220 f'in pounds. She should have NEVER gotten that fat in the first place. Her parents are totally to blame - at the very minimum, they're teaching her to take the lazy way out which is never good. I feel sorry for her, because I think she will suffer alot more before it's over, and it's her parents' fault.Originally Posted by Jenny
All the disgust you are reading is directed at her PARENTS. Obviously.





Her parents said she was on a diet since age 3, but they didn't specifically say what kind of foods she was eating. It could be the Cheetos, pizza, McDonald's and ice cream diet for all we know. I agree that a 12 year old definitely should not be getting lipo and that her parents should've gotten her checked out for thyroid problems or anything else that could've caused her weight gain. If her obesity was just a result of poor diet and no exercise and not a result of any health problems beyond her control, then her parents should've just had her get some exercise and eat healthy to drop the weight. At 12 years old, a girl's body still has a lot of growing and maturing to do. And at any age, lipo should be a last resort method when proper diet and exercise fail to work, IMHO.![]()
Bridgette:
I can't, offhand, imagine a circumstance in which I would advocate a 12 year old getting lipo. The fact that her weight gain was seasonal tells me that there should have been some way to handle it. But similarly, there is at least some indication that she did TRY to be active, and her parents evidently encouraged it. Like I said, that kind of obesity can be a bit of a catch 22. It is very, very hard to exercise when you are that big. And I did, just as I made other points make points about that, and the reputation of her doctor for having a certain degree of flippancy regarding medical ethics. (Making over people to look like celebrities on MTV and performing lipo on himself on television). And people can be predisposed - VERY predisposed in some cases - to be that big. And there are, no doubt, a whackload of medical reasons that aren't fully known yet why some people balloon up for no discernable reason while others don't.
In any case, that particular comment was not really meant to be an endorsement of giving young girls lipo; it was really more a sort of questioning our basic repugnance for it, which does not seem to me to be founded heavily in issue that she might not fully understand the risks she is taking with the surgery. At least - I'll cop to it - my reaction of "Oh good god" was not really "Oh good god, a 12 year old girl can't possibly understand the risks of undergoing anesthesia". And, like I said, had she anything from a cleft palate to alopecia nobody would be as concerned with her understanding of risk in surgery, or with the doctor's willingness to perform a cosmetic procedure on a child.
And I do think that the characterization you use "The lazy way out" is more telling than perhaps you intended. I think that particular system of evaluation is interesting. That she has had a hard time losing weight - likely through some combination of pre-disposition, existing health problems and, because of that, lack of persistence. So she is "lazy" for seeking medical intervention. I mean, compare that to how we characterize doing other things in the fastest, most efficient manner. Even compare that to how we would characterize other kinds of procedures on adults or even children. In a nutshell, I think there is something about how we view "fat" as, somehow, "immoral". I mean, we assume that she is lazy BECAUSE she is fat. We assume that she has never tried to be active, we are certainly assuming that she eats nothing but junkfood, and we assume that this was not a last ditch effort based on her entire life (which, at 12 years is short, but not that short) but just taking the lazy way out. We assume that the postulation of the girl herself and her parents, that this is a predisposition that they have tried to deal with repeatedly in their home lives are lies. Why? Certainly not because nobody has a predisposition to be fat, or even obese. Certainly not because we don't intellectually know that a cardio workout for someone that big is probably just as dangerous as undergoing the surgery. Because she's fat, and we make valuations of her character -and the characters of her parents - based on that.
I have taught that the sky in all its zones is mortal and its substance was formed by a process of birth
Honestly, I've never met a 3 year old who should have been on a diet.
Their metabolisms are WAY to high to be on a diet, no matter what they eat.
A 12 year old getting liposuction is appalling. That is unnecessary major surgery on a CHILD who is still growing. If this child did not have any medical issues related to weight gain/inability to lose...then the PARENTS should have called in a nutritionist/personal trainer and had her lose it the better way...through changing her lifestyle and eating habits. I will guarantee you that this child didn't learn jack shit about PROPER eating and will most likely put all of that weight back on.
If the parents never hired a professional, then I can almost guarantee you that just because she was on a "diet" (most likely a CRASH diet) doesn't mean that she was eating healthy/exercising regularly.
Geesh.
There are very very few excuses for a child to be overweight. It's utter bullshit. It all boils down to lazy parenting, period. Every kid i've known who was obese like she was, was like that because the parents used food incorectly; used as a placating or comfort tool. Kid is sad? Give her a donut. Buggin the parents for something? Hand her the chips. Think she was outside riding her bike or playing tag or engaging in ANY physical activity? More likely moldering away in front of a TV.
She's been on a diet since age three but they just don't work? Come on.
Liposuction for a kid... Her parents are fucking reprehensible.
Aw come on now, those are things you can't control. Apples and oranges.Originally Posted by Jenny
Yeah... Here's a quote from the second article. It's part of a quote in that article made by the girls dad.
"Then summertime would come . . . and she would balloon out because she wasn't doing anything but sitting around and eating."
Um... hello. You just said it yourself superdad! she'd gain weight cause she wasn's doing anything but sitting around and eating.
And her mom said she'd diet and it would take two wks to lose one pound. So the girl would get frustrated and give up.
When I was seeing a nutritionist, she told me that losing .5 to 2 lbs a week is the range for healthy weight lose. So that means that she'd be losing at a healthy rate, but it just 'wasn't quick enough.'
And in that ABC news clip... her dad said they don't watch her cause she knows what she can and can't eat. If she splurges one day she doesn't eat as much the next.
Again, HELLO!!! That's not being on a diet, that's being healthy. If anyone has a splurge, they should watch it a bit.
And then her mom was like let people bring it on (in re to criticism) until they walked a mile in her shoes. Yeah lady, you say you spent 5000 on weight watcher's? Walk the mile in your shoes with the five grand to a nutritionist!
Stupid people. (No insult to the girl on this next part, just going with the saying) Why are stupid people breeding?
This is local for me. I never did like Dr. Ersek. He's one of those surgeons that has ads everywhere. You can't get away from this guy. I don't think plastic surgery should be pushed like a cheeseburger, but thats what this guy does. The doctors I consider do not have advertisements on television, magazines, radio, ect. as Dr. Ersek does. They let the patients come to them. I think if it were any other doctor, they would have first recommended diet and excercise before they ever lipo'd a child. And 12? No respectable doc would lipo a girl who may not have finished puberty, her body should be fully developed before any cosmetic alterations begin. I bet Dr. Ersek did it for the publicity, and free advertsiment. So sleezy.....
Personally I would have loved to get lipo when I was 12. Unlike the kids today I wasn't obese, just 10 or 15 pounds overweight, but I was made fun of & not accepted by all of my peers. I would exercise & try my best to eat right but that was basically a matter of 5lbs. I'd be extra healthy & 5lbs lighter & still taunted.
She doesn't need to "diet", she needs to learn healthy eating habits and how to be more active. This is such bullshit.
The parents are fucked and they've passed on their fucked-ness to this kid.
"She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"
Ernest Hemingway on writer, aviation pioneer and horse trainer Beryl Markham
^ Agreed.
That's the bottom line. The kid didn't get to be that size by just breathing air.Saddest part is she will likely have far more on-going problems because of all this. Problems that could have been prevented if her parents were worth a shit.
Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.
William F. Buckley, Jr.





Exactly. She got to be that size because the parents let her overeat - dad even admitted it. When she was younger, they should have been teaching her to eat better, and not letting her have junk food. I bet my eyeteeth they let her eat all kinds of junk food. And if she has some medical problem that makes her gain weight, they should have been treating THAT, rather than waiting until she's 220 at age 12 and getting her lipo.
Jenny, you're just being too defensive of these people. That's all. It's not that we are being prejudiced toward the fat girlIt's that we KNOW, from what they all said, that the parents are at fault for her obesity, and that they are damaging her MORE by getting her lipo AFTER she's in serious health risk, rather than taking precautionary steps earlier in her childhood. It's not rocket science to figure out that your kid is getting fatter and fatter because she sits around the house eating all summer. Sheesh.
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