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    Okay so I just need to rant here...

    I had myself booked for three weeks, two weeks with one agency and a week with another. So last week I was in Brandon Manitoba and I was supposed to do this week in Winnipeg, well the agency calls me Friday night to say 'no we're sending you to Thunder Bay'. Well that wouldnt have been so bad if they had of told me on Monday So I had to book a ticket to TBay, which due to it being last minute was $300 insted of $120... PLUS I have to change my ticket to Edmonton from Winnipeg to TBay which is going to cost and extra $200.. nevermind that the dancer house I was supposed to stay in at TBay.. well they didnt answer the phone all weekend so I needed to book a hotel room so I could sleep.. so thats $200 for the couple of nights im here PLUS to switch to the dancer house is $100 for the rest of the week. I mean there is potential to make decent money at this club on the floor but ugh either way im still falling behind in expences... Plus because im booked for the last half of the week in Edmonton I need to pay to stay at a place for the first half of the week while not working. Now there is a club in Edmonton that I may be able to work the floor for the first few days since im not booked anywhere. But I know there isnt THAT much money on the floor there .. but I guess something is better then nothing. Im really thinking I cant do Miss Nude Canada now... the financial means just is not there. I know part of this is my fault... but the thing that killed me the most was the agency sending me to Thunder Bay when I was already in Winnipeg.. I wish they had of told me they were sending me here earlier Or just left me in Winnipeg so I didnt have the extra expence of the flight and hotel and dancer house...

    Im thinking im not going ot work with this agency again for awhile because I cant handle how unorganised they are.

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    I'm not familiar with the workings of bookings... But why isn't the AGENCY covering that??
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    Agencies covering costs of travel expences? LMFAO!! Aahaha sorry.. but umm... nah they dont like us that much lol. We pay them 15% of our stage price... so say you do 22 shows in the week at $50 a show.. so you make $1100 for the week(this is just an example).. the agency takes 15% of that... yea.. they're greedy lol. I mean you will get some clubs that will pay for your acomodations for the week and driver fees.. but your still covering your travel.

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    Why didn't you tell them how much it would cost you to make such a last-minute change, and tell them they would need to compensate you for the expense? Why can they just switch your schedule like that and expect you to jump through such hoops, AND expect you to eat the cost. Sounds like a shit agency to me.

    I don't think I would accept a last-minute change like that. "I'm in Winnipeg, where you sent me; I can't get travel to Tbay at this time, so I'm going to go through with the prior schedule for Winnipeg. Thanks." click

    Why is some limitation on schedule changes not in your contract??? It is unreasonable for them to treat you that way, and I would not put up with it.

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    I tried to tell them.. they didnt care. Plus i've been snippy with them because they kept booking me as a showgirl when I wanted feature bookings so they finally gave me a feature booking. I got a raise in show price(thankfully) but it still doesnt cover the extra expence. You hit the nail on the head Bridgette when you said they're a shit agency. I mean yea they give you a super high show count when you work in Winnipeg(which rocks) but they're so unorganised its sick. They called one of the girls booked this week on Sunday to tell her shes in TBay this week.

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    Oh man. Things like this is why I quit using agents. Total waste of money.

    Can't you book directly with the club...?

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    Clubs out west will not book you directly, they work through agencies only. Bleh... there are clubs in the east though you can book directly through... I just hate working the east coast.. but I may have to suck it up lol. Though I have no problem what so ever with Independent(the agency in Alberta) nor do I have any problem with the agencies in BC.. well mainly cuz I havnt worked in BC yet lol. Its just this one... I like their bookings, its just a headache and a guessing game when you work with them.

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    Is there another agency that books the same area/clubs? If so, I think I would do a little recon and see about switching over.

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    I wish Bridgette... this agency is the only agency at the moment that books the area... and the shitty thing is its a really high show count if you get Winnipeg(like 40+ shows for the week).. the rest of the areas they book is 18 - 24 shows. .. average with the other agencies as well. But as it stands its pretty much one agency for every province. Like I said im thinking im just ditching it for awhile and working Alberta/BC and the east coast... no point in putting myself through the headache this agency gives me. I will work with them again but at this moment I need to get myself back in order financially since they seemed to have drained my expence fund. Also I gotta get my ass back into gear and remember how to sell table dances lol.

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    Damn that sucks. Yeah, I would suggest hustling in Tbay to beat the band. Good floor money can be made there, as I recall. At least enough to recoup your losses, I would hope. But that does really blow. They can kiss my bum goodbye!! (not that I really handle bookings that well anyway, but still).

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    Ahaha im supposed to be at work in 5min and I dont wanna get off my bed... bleh...

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    Well then, if it doesn't make you more money to book with them because of them causing you to pay extra travel expenses and such, I wouldn't book with them anymore. Doesn't seem like it's worth the extra work or hassle. bleh

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    Sorry to hear how they just f***ed you like that. Srew that. I've worked in the midwest where you have to book every week, and personally I really think you're better off getting your own bookings. That is unless you have to go through an agency. Do you have to go through an agency? I work with a girl here in vegas that does feature shows up in Canada and I never heard her saying anything about using an agency. So all you get is $50 a show? I bet you could probably make that in tips alone on each set if not more. I guess I don't quite know your exact situation, but I'd say you can probably make just as much money on your own if not more, by booking in areas closer to where you are and cutting down your expenses by calling clubs to see which clubs have arrangements for traveling dancers. I know a couple of the clubs I worked at in Wisconsin had their own little dorm or whatever for the girls or the manager would hook us up at his own house,(that is with other girls, considering the manager is professional). I guess it all depends on where you are. I've also seen clubs in the US offer to reimburse you for partial or all of your traveling expenses as long as you booked with them for two weeks or longer. The longer the booking, the more reimbursements you got. Just a thought, but then again I've never danced in Canada. But in all seriousness though is it really worth going through an agency?

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    I did a rant in Private Dancing where my agent went "Oops, we booked you under [stagefirstname] [reallastname] HAHAHA Oh well... looks like you need to pay $120 to fix it!" I was pretty peeved because it was THEIR fault and originally the ticket was only $80 anyway! So the fricken airline got $200 for a $80 ticket! UGH!

    Of course they paid my travel (except, y'know, fucking up my name) but the company made $800 sending me there and I saw NONE of it.

    And I can't switch agencies because they give me most of my work - however unorganized they are.

    In other words... I really feel for ya. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place.


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    Call me a princess bitch but im so ready to walk out and ruin the reputation im making for myself of being reliable!!!

    Ugh okay so i've gotten over the whole 'losing money' aspect of the booking, I realise I can suck it up and sell table dances if im going to be that bitchy over the money. Whats driving me crazy the most now is the fact that im being told I *HAVE* to sell tickets(they give you f14 tickets and you sell them to customers at $1 a piece, i the customers number is drawn he gets a free table dance, the DJ gets $4 out of the $14 and you keep the $10 you need to sell 4 sets for daytime and 10 I think for night). So yea I HAVE to sell tickets and I *HAVE* to do floor time. The floor time is 3pm till 2am, not a second before 2am can you leave the floor, unless its to get ready for stage. This is a 6 day booking so thats 66 manditory hours on the floor for the week. Uhh HELL NO! I dont mind working the floor, if I really want to I can get my ass in gear and sell dances.. but I hate being told I HAVE to be on the floor. Yea im a princess, yea im being bitchy and yea im complaining about shit. I just need to get through this week and never look back. The DJs are laughing at me now cuz they know id rather toss them the manditory money from the tickets and say fuck the tickets cuz I have no desire to sell them.. as for dances.. fuck it im too damn bitchy now to try and hustle. I came into this week in a snarky bad mood and I just cant seem to snap out of it. I know there is no point in complaining, I know im being a big baby but ugh im just so foul about this.

    Doesnt help the agency lied to me and told me I didnt have to do the floor time and I could work the same hours as the feature (530pm - 2am come and go as you please pretty much as long as your there for your shows) and I will get the same show count. The club said no, they need me there at 3 and I have to do floor time. *grumble mumble snarl* Bah im a bitch so im gonna shut up.

    Yea umm... im posting now cuz I told the DJ im taking a break and going to my hotel for half n hour to get my head together lol.

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    Have you called the agency to have them sort it out? I mean, I was about to say "Well, geez honey - you knew all that going in..." but if they told you that you didn't have to do it... can't they do something?
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    Gosh, I don't know what to say.

    I'm going to be a bad guy first, and say; the agents deal with a lot of girls. The more you whine and bitch, the less inclined they'll be to accomodate you. It sucks, but it's true.

    Also, you're new to them, and you're already asking for a lot. I know you feel you're worth $xx blah blah, but it's all relative. Some weeks they'll have the budget for what you're asking for, some weeks they won't. Some weeks you'll have to make a quick switch in order to be a 'team player'.

    The extra $200 for your airfare should have been covered by either a showprice increase or a reduction in commission- you have to ask for that (nicely).

    Everyone has to put their time in and build up a rep- you haven't been in it long enough to be owed any kind of consideration. You're low man on the totem pole, right now.

    I totally empathise with your frustration. But you have to get rid of the sense of entitlement you're feeling. I'm sorry, but you don't currently have the goods or the cred to be diva mcbitch.

    Hope you don't hate me for saying all this, just being honest...this is how the business is. If you don't want to deal with it, totally understandable.

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    Oh, and regarding them telling you you didn't have to do floor time...that sucks. They shouldn't have said that. You need to get Rick or Mitch on the phone with Pham, Pat or one of the other DJs, and explain the situation.

    But really, why not make the best of it and go hustle on the floor? Serious, you can make good $$ doing that, and it makes the time fly.

    Re: the getting pissed at mandatory floor time...again, you're a rookie, you have to deal with it. Alena can get pissed and refuse- she's been a feature for xx years ( I won't say it or she'll get mad!)- you kind of have to suck it up. It the dues you pay.

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    Scarlett I understand and agree 100% with what your saying. I dont have the credits and time in to be demanding, hence me dealing with it. I just needed to vent because I was fustrated. Im happy they gave me the chance to co feature, dont get me wrong there. They dont owe me anything. I guess I worded everything really poorly I know that due to the fact im a rookie im going to get the shitty end of the deal till I earn my way up, which I understand and can deal with. Im just more upset that I spent more then im going to get in pay to be here, but im making up what I can in table dancing, which is fine with me. The other thing I was pissed about is the fact that they didnt tell me till Friday night and I had my arangements to fly out of Winnipeg, but hey flights can be changed. Yea we all know I hate floor time but thats where the money is. Also I didnt mean to sound like I had an ego about it. I know who I am, and I know where I stand. Im still a nobody, im a showgirl working to be a feature. I really hope it didnt sound like I thought I was an Alena Downs or Ivana Shagwell who should be given the best of the best because I know im not.

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    Um, what's the difference between a feature and a showgirl?

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    Feature goes to clubs mostly as a feature stripper. Showgirl does it at parties or is hired at pubs to do either nude shows like a feature or toy/lesbian/masturbation shows. Showgirls can be features and features can be showgirls, but less likely.


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    Well, out here, features get paid more, showgirls get paidless. That's pretty much the deal. I'm a showgirl mostly, feature sometimes.

    The club that Cally's at, the feature has no mandatory floortime, while showgirls do have it (which is, of course, totally illegal).

    Cally, thanks so much for taking what I said well. I was worried that you'd be mad. I meant it in the best possible way.

    As is, I agree that the agency was rude and shitty to do that. Unfortunately, it's the tradeoff you have to deal with for getting paid shows: dealing with agents. The best thing you can do is make yourself liked and respected by the agents, so that they really don't WANT to fuck you over. And the way to do that is to scratch their backs. REMIND them of the favours you've done for them.

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    Okie. I wanted to know what the difference is in Canada, since that's what we were talking about. Interesting to know the differences elsewhere as well

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    I didn't realize until after I posted that you meant Canada. My apologies.


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    No apologies needed. As said, it's interesting to know about how it is in other places too

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