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    Default As dancers, we were pioneers ...

    I don't know if you've noticed, but pole dancing is everywhere! The new Victoria's Secret commercial features their Angels doing a quick little pole dance, and the new Pussycat Dolls video, featuring Timbaland, has the girls pole dancing in the subway car! I think it's great, as I don't dance anymore, but I teach lessons, and have a pole at home. It just amazes me how things have changed over the last 6 years or so, because when I first wanted to open up a studio in Michigan (before the S-Factor hype) NO ONE believed enough in my idea, to lease me a space. I'm glad the general concensus, is a more opened mind.

    I just wondered if anyone had noticed this little movement?

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    Default Re: As dancers, we were pioneers ...

    I would not say a more opened mind. Take example of Xpose studios in Maryland their instuctors have told me to my face that they only like burlesque dancing and not club dancing. This is typical of the traditional convervative woman who may attempt to immitate strippers but will diss and belittle them to their own benefit. We as dancers are pioneers but remain the scapegoats in many ways. There are other threads on this as well do a search.
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    Default Re: As dancers, we were pioneers ...

    Wow, what I meant was ... it's a start. I worked at a studio in Portland, where the owner would constantly say, "we're not teaching "strippers" here"... Uhhhhmmm Come again???? If it we'ren't for "strippers" you wouldn't have a new hobby, or new a business idea. So no doubt about the belittleing. Not only that, she liked to talk to me like I had NO experience or professionalism because I was "just a stripper". Guess that alone isn't enough to qualify me to teach classes on pole dancing, but flying down to LA to take the S-factor workshop qualifys you??? Hmmmmm....

    So while I understand all that crap, I'm gonna choose to be optimistic, that one day people will recognize, and accept that it DID start with us dancers. Kudos to us for having the balls to get on stage, and rock it!

    As for doing a search, I didn't see anything on the current thread page having to do with the subject, so I figured it was okay to start a topic, that's usually the rule among web forums, please correct me if I'm wrong, move the thread, or link me to an ongoing one.

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    Default Re: As dancers, we were pioneers ...

    Most of the pole dancing classes are run by women who have NEVER worked as a stripper. They attempt to delineate themselves from "strippers" and not dancing in those "dirty" places etc. etc.

    Ditto with belly dancing in the 1950's. Before it became mainstream "Belly dancing" was in the realm of the Hoochie-Coochie shows that toured the burlesque and vaudville circuits, only allowing entrance to male customers as the show would be considered to risque' for the female sensibilities.

    Even today, belly dancing is considered sexy and erotic (look at the most common sex play costumes, belly dancer is right up there in popularity).


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    Default Re: As dancers, we were pioneers ...

    No doubt about that. It's probably because Sheila Kelley went "hey, everyone can have a dancer body, minus the stripclub!" And fitness instructors went "Hey! A new way to "work out" that is WAY more fun than bench presses, yoga or pilates, especially if you're like me, and lack the attention span for yoga, or pilates ... and thus pole dancing ventured into the realm of physical fitness. I can certainly appriciate that because now people can recognize the strength & effort that goes into a good pole performance, and it absolutely is a more fun way to work out ... That being said, pole dancing should incorporate the strength & flexability of Gymnastics, the grace & balance (esp in heels!) of ballet, and CERTAINLY the eroticism & sensuality of belly dance & burlesque. Without that sexual element, it changes everything. That's the only thing that bugs me about making it too much about physical fitness, it really kind of sells the artform short. I also think that it being a bit risqe', and a bit taboo, is what it's really about. Remove that element, and it's not the same.

    What I mean is, I'm glad it's becomming somewhat embraced by women (we all know men love it anyway!), but I hope that women can embrace the art in all it's facets, and not look at it as dirty. Dirty, and a little bit naughty, are two different things entirely.

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