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    Default How to turn this into a sell?

    Okay, I get alot of the guys who look like they'd be pretty decent customers, seem to have money to spend, are buying dances from other girls - but when I approach them and chat for a minute or two they are like "Man....I can't buy a dance from you because you're the type of girl I'd like to buy a drink for outside of here, you are just soo pretty yadda yadda blah blah I''m in love with you..." Kind of stuff. If they are oh so interested in my person - why not purchase a lovely pookadance? I don't have a comeback for this?

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    I'd say something like, "well, that's fine if you don't want a dance, but that's usually how I make my money here." It puts pressure on them to buy a dance or tip for your time.

    or, "really, You'll love my tits. Let me give you the tour of them while I slither all over you.." That way he can objectify you and not feel dirty about it because you've let him know it's okay to treat you like a stripper.

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    a pookadance! so cute

    i get that too, happens when they realize im smart. i get the, "why didnt i meet you outside of here?" i smile and say, something to the effect of what em says, i make them view me as a stripper. "well, i think you will enjoy me in here, because i give one hell of a hot dance. i mean, just look at these tits!"

    Love it!

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    Default Re: How to turn this into a sell?

    Offer them a 1 minute or 1.5 minute sample of a dance for free. If they like it they can get a vip, you will knock off $20 or add on 15minutes.....Unless you are completely against samples, of course. You never know, he may buy several VIPs from you. Even if he says no afterwards, you can ask him for a tip. He'll probably just offer one up anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    I'd say something like, "well, that's fine if you don't want a dance, but that's usually how I make my money here." It puts pressure on them to buy a dance or tip for your time.
    I think I'm going to have to start saying that. I get this alot of time I dunno, it's like they think I should be flattered that they want to meet me outside of here. WRONG, I want your money batch!







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    The reason you're hearing so much of the "I'd rather date you than buy dances from you" response is that when you're working on rapport building early in your conversation, you're being way too passive. You're working too hard on being their friend and have forgotten that you're actually selling something. You need to be a little more firm and a little more bold in your rapport-building and understand that every word you say and every action you take from the instant you say "hello" needs to eventually lead up to a closing of the sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    The reason you're hearing so much of the "I'd rather date you than buy dances from you" response is that when you're working on rapport building early in your conversation, you're being way too passive. You're working too hard on being their friend and have forgotten that you're actually selling something. You need to be a little more firm and a little more bold in your rapport-building and understand that every word you say and every action you take from the instant you say "hello" needs to eventually lead up to a closing of the sale.
    That isn't true to me. I am always working on closing the sale. I've taken your course and I still have the same customers falling for me just like Pooka. It's not about being passive, or that I'm working to hard on being their friend, it's the fact that some men really do have an attraction. Hey, I'm hot I can't blame em j/k.

    But seriously though, besides keeping the conversation light, asking what brought him into the club, where he's from etc..What else is there? If he's feeling you he's going to feel the same whether you say, "wanna dance, hi, hello, or sit down to chat". Hell I've even had guys call me over from the other side of the room to tell me they wish they'd met me outside of here







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    Quote Originally Posted by sassfire
    Offer them a 1 minute or 1.5 minute sample of a dance for free. If they like it they can get a vip, you will knock off $20 or add on 15minutes. You never know, he may buy several VIPs from you.
    I think not! That's half a dance. The "sample" is me walking around half naked. Half a song is worth $10. 15 mins in the VIP is worth $100 (and I still don't understand the point of 15 minutes free in the VIP....many times the dancer has no control over this anyway.) Not only would this not help me make money, it'd probably get me beat up. Guys must love you and your free dances, but you are probably not that popular among your co-workers. A guy not willing to part with $20 unless you give him half a dance for free might buy one dance at best. Think about it.

    Although I am not against the idea of not charging them for a dance if they are immediately going into a VIP, but that's IT for freebies. And only then, it's as a last resort bargaining chip.

    I'm not going to give freebies because someone might do long VIPs. Sheesh. I get long VIPs because guys liked the first one and want to stay. Not because I dry humped them for aminute for free.

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    Default Re: How to turn this into a sell?

    Any guy who says he wants a "sample" before he buys probably won't spend that much $$ anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily
    Although I am not against the idea of not charging them for a dance if they are immediately going into a VIP, but that's IT for freebies. And only then, it's as a last resort bargaining chip.
    Quote Originally Posted by Laylas
    Any guy who says he wants a "sample" before he buys probably won't spend that much $$ anyway...
    You're both right. If a customer is so hard-up that he needs a 1/2 dance as a "sample" he probably has a padlock on his wallet. When you buy a car, they don't write-up the financing papers six months after you've been driving the car...the sample was the test-drive. The same holds true in the club. Anyone who needs a 1/2 dance for free as a sample never had any intention of buying in the first place.

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    Yeah, I'm not a sample giver - plus we don't have VIP's. I guess I am being too passive, I want to be closing the sale but I don't want them to feel like they are being hustled and though my point is to get their money, I want them to remember me as someone who was friendly AND gave a great dance. But I guess that's hurting me more than helping because it happens so often that they're PookaHooked after a few seconds conversation. (Then again, most people are, *sigh*)

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    Well, my club has $10 dances. So my line is something similar to Emily's: "Hey hunny I just wanna shove my tits in your face for $10 - that's more fun than dinner and cheaper too"

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    Thanks ya'll - Bridgette and Em - I'm gonna use some of those next time this happens, and DW I'm going to try to be a little more hustly about it. Not too much though - I guess there is a balance between girlfriend and stripper that I need to make to keep them happy but also spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PookaShell
    Yeah, I'm not a sample giver - plus we don't have VIP's. I guess I am being too passive, I want to be closing the sale but I don't want them to feel like they are being hustled and though my point is to get their money, I want them to remember me as someone who was friendly AND gave a great dance. But I guess that's hurting me more than helping because it happens so often that they're PookaHooked after a few seconds conversation. (Then again, most people are, *sigh*)
    It's not so much a matter of your customer feeling like he's being hustled if your sale is solid. In other words, most dancers know that their dances are worth $10, $20, whatever, but it's another thing to make your customer believe that they are too...that's all in the sales presentation. If a customer believes he's getting great value for his money, he'll buy anything you have to offer. The key is you have to make the offer really good so he doesn't have the chance to even present you with resistance. In sales of any kind, when you strip away all levels of resistance from a customer, the only decision he has left to do is make a purchase decision. You just need to guide him into one that benefits you both...him with an awesome dance or dances and you with a financial compensation for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DancerWealth
    You're both right. If a customer is so hard-up that he needs a 1/2 dance as a "sample" he probably has a padlock on his wallet. When you buy a car, they don't write-up the financing papers six months after you've been driving the car...the sample was the test-drive. The same holds true in the club. Anyone who needs a 1/2 dance for free as a sample never had any intention of buying in the first place.
    When I say sample, I don't mean a 100% good LD. I am talking about an air-dance that is a minute. If you test drive a car you are doing just that, test driving it. Car dealers won't even let you test drive a car unless they are confident the buyer will buy. If you don't think the custy will buy a VIP then of course don't give him a sample. If he is riding on a fence and you think he will spend, you have nothing to lose. Usually he will tip you the price of a lap dance if he declines a VIP.

    Also remember, you already got him in the LD booth or VIP room. Who says you can't ask him for a dance at full price plus tip. At least you have his full attention for that minute to work your hustle on him. The customer has more control out on the floor; the dancer has more control in the dance area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassfire
    When I say sample, I don't mean a 100% good LD. I am talking about an air-dance that is a minute.
    What's the point of giving him a free air dance? It does absolutely nothing to convince him that you give a good dance. If anything, it shows you give a shitty dance.

    That's not like test driving a car. That's like looking at the car through the window.

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    I get what Sassfire is saying...get up and move around, get in the customer's personal space. If I am having a lull in convo with a guy--taking action is usually the best thing, b/c we ran out of shit to say. It's seduction with out the words, thats all. Its not really a freebie, you're just reminding him what you all are there for--dancing.

    Pooka, I think you are talkin to the guy for too long. That always happens when you chat for a long time--they think you are really into them. You gotta FLIRT, not talk. Some dancers use the 3 song rule, but I think even that is too long. I try to close the sale in 1 song, when the new song starts playing--I cut the convo short and ask.

    However, I work in a wannadance type of club.

    In the end though, if you're not the guy's fantasy type--he wasnt going to get a dance anyway, unless you really impress him.
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    Thanks Akasha, I mean even if you don't intend on giving him a sample or maybe you intended on giving him a 15second sample, at least you got him in the LD or VIP area. You have way more control there. What's more productive, constantly trying to convince a customer of getting a dance while he is out on the floor (Men hate it when a dancer constantly ask them for a dance. Read some of their post here)? Or getting a customer to get up from his chair go to the LD or VIP room and at least you have changed his mind 75% or more. It is just you and him and a "Yes, I'll get a dance from you".

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    Pooka Shell, I worked in your club for a long time. The problem with the Jimmy, is it is a time and company club. It is not uncommon as you know for girls to sit with a guy for an hour or more. Also, because of the time and company nature of the club, girls there are used to making all their money for their time there off of 1-2 customers instead of working the floor. Every customer does not warrant investing a lot of time with them, unless they have been spending on you decently.

    It is also one of the most "comfortable" clubs in the US a guy could go to. Comfy chairs, a 3-4 star buffet, and guys with money to spend feel like "the man" when they can run a tab and be catered to while inside.

    Having all the dances done in private rooms and not on the floor takes a lot of the momentum out of the club. When guys see dances done on the floor all around them and girls are asking for dances right and left all around them, it makes even the most shy or disinterested guys want to buy dances just so they fit in with everyone else. I like Treasures set up better due to the fact that you are allowed to dance on the floor and that is the best advertising.

    When I worked at St. James during the Super Bowl, the out of town guys were used to heavy stage tipping and floor dances at their home clubs, and the St. James slow sell setup slowed down some of the money, as the momentum was less than the out of town guys were used to.

    Plus you are in Houston, and lots of those guys are full of jive. Saying they like you too much to buy a dance is bullshit. They are just fast talkers.

    I would suggest introducing yourself to each table, exchanging names, asking where the guys are from, what brings them in, letting them talk while looking at them adoringly and listening for 2 songs or so and then telling them " You're ready for some dances now, aren't you?" while grabbing their hand to pull them out of the chair. If they resist and say what you said some have been saying, then use Emily's line regarding dances are the only way we make money here, and continue to pull them out of the chair. If they tell you they have no cash and are running a tab, let them know that their waitress will put the dances on his tab, and offer to start off with let's say 5 dances.

    If he still won't bite, then tell him you would be glad to sit with him and chat a while longer if he will compensate you for your time. Then you can tell him $100 is a good start. If you then are able to build rapport with him, if he gives you a C note, then bring up the dances again, and he may bite.

    If none of this works, then say it was nice talking to you, and go on to the next guy. That is a clear sign he is full of shit and just using you. 4 songs in this club is the max I would sit with him up front. You will have to sit longer there than in other cities, as the guys are used to that, but as DW said, make sure the conversation you are making with him for the 3-4 songs you are spending with him leads to dances/money.

    Since you are in Houston and guys are known to probe you for sex, let him know you give great dances and get him in the back. A "test drive" dance or 2 is ok, because it is better than nothing, and he can find someone else to solicit for sex, but you still made $20 or $40.

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    What's a test drive dance?

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    Thanks for taking the time to type all that Tina - these are all very true points about the jimmy. Hopefully this will help me out some when I work again on Wednesday.

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    A test drive dance is when a customer buys one dance to see if a dancer will deliver extras.

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    someone said something in a different post about how in a bar you're not going to get a half-naked girl rubbing herself against him. turn that into a response

    "I'd love to get a dance, but you're the type of girl that I'd like to buy a drink for in the outside world."

    "well, how about you buy me the drink and we both get to enjoy me rubbing my half-naked body all over you. That beats the bar experience anyday in my book!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PookaShell View Post
    Yeah, I'm not a sample giver - plus we don't have VIP's. I guess I am being too passive, I want to be closing the sale but I don't want them to feel like they are being hustled and though my point is to get their money, I want them to remember me as someone who was friendly AND gave a great dance. But I guess that's hurting me more than helping because it happens so often that they're PookaHooked after a few seconds conversation. (Then again, most people are, *sigh*)
    That's my problem exactly! I want to be nice and respectful and I don't want to pressure them, BUT I do want to sell dances and make money. It's so hard to do both...

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