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    Let's just start by saying that I wasn't in a great mood tonight and I decided to leave early (which our club allows.) I was already in my street clothes and had my keys in hand when our VIP hostess tells me that I have been " signed out." For those of you who are unfamiliar with the term it basically means that a customer pays you hourly, you are taken off rotation, and the cost of dances is included in the price of an hour...OK whatever I'm thinking. Easy money for basically doing nothing and since I'm here ,fine.I get up there and it is a customer who earlier declined VIP after finding out about fees and prices but according to the hostess, he "really likes " me JOY...So the guy is basically OK for the first twenty minutes and after that he starts falling half asleep and then waking up with a start and trying to grab my boobs, trying fondle me...you know the guy. So on his third trip to the bathroom, I explain to the VIP hostess that she should find another dancer for this guy because I don't allow that type of shit. I have nothing against girls who are OK with higher contact, but this was not for me and esecially not tonight. I didn't want to be at work at all and nobody asked me if I wanted to go up to VIP. After waiting for him to come back from the bathroom for 10 minutes, I went myself and when I returned, I was told that he had left because he "was very UNHAPPY" and he refused to pay for the full hour I was in VIP because he "wasn't satisfied" and I "was gone half the time" So he gave the VIP hostess half of what I was entitled to for the hour I was there and left the bar . I'm really angry that I got paid for half of the time I spent fending this fucking loser off when he was the one who kept getting up, falling asleep, trying to do shit that is illegal...etc. Am I wrong to be angry ? I was there for an hour, I expect to get paid for an hour.I raised my voice to the hostess and I feel bad about it but she paid me half of what I'm entitled to!. ... My point is this...The guy isn't happy he couldnt finger me and I wouldn't get him off and he "isn't satisfied " so the club is taking his side and giving me only have of the hour we both agreed upon? Does anyone else think that is fucked up considering that I was actually leaving the bar whe they dragged me up there?? I am really upset but am I over reacting? Where do you draw the line? I wasn't drunk . I stayed for the full hour and I did nothing illegal, so why am I getting screwed?! Thoughts?

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    Default Re: IM f-ing pissed that I got paid half deserved

    She should have told him there's no money back guarantee.

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    Yup, I am in agreement with you. He said he wanted an hour, he got an hour. And if he spent the hour falling asleep and going to the bathroom, its his own fault. Strip clubs aren't around for guys to get/give handjobs, blowjobs, etc. We are around to ENTERTAIN.

    I agree that they fucked up and let him go with only paying half. Its BS.
    With all the stupid things guys will say, stay cool.

    "Her apartment is littered with soggy G-strings and cheap 8-inch heeled shoes, along with empty tubes of body glitter, mascara, prescription drugs, zit cream, Aqua Net and Polaroid pictures of her and her "friends" engaged in some drinking and dancing on St. Patrick's Day last year. " My God....

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    that really is fucked.

    have you spoken to the club managers tho?

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    Default Re: IM f-ing pissed that I got paid half deserved

    All VIP hosts I have encountered always got full payment up front. I would be very upset with the VIP host, tell management about her, and definately not tip her unless she changes her ways.

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    Default Re: IM f-ing pissed that I got paid half deserved

    Jsut from another point of view. It doesn't sound like you were to happy to be their in the first place. Could it have come accross that way to the customer and to the VIP hostess. If so maybe thats why the hostess let him get away with what he did.

    Of course I was not their so I am just asking.

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    Twister, I understand your frustration, but as dancers we all know that nowadays customers increasingly want more than a dance in VIP. They feel that spending a large amount of money in VIP entitles them to extras or they have been ripped off.

    It doesn't matter what WE want. Customers have to want what we are selling, or we will have no customers, and the clubs will go out of business. Many guys feel VIP rooms are rip offs anyway. If you were a customer, would you pay money to go in a VIP or Champagne room? Most likely not.

    As you say it's easy money for basically doing nothing.

    In my opinion, for a VIP to go smoothly a dancer really needs to have found a customer whom they click with, and one who ins't really concerned about having sex for his money. And MANY guys nowadays just aren't like that. They feel that they are spending more money and want more for it. We can't change that. That is just the way it is. Here and there will be good respectful customers who can afford to blow the money on VIP without any immediate sexual expectations, but not on a regular basis.

    Don't most clubs charge up front for the VIP time? If that had been done, he would have left, but you would have gotten all your money.

    On a glass half full note, you were leaving work early most likely because money was slow, so even if you got only half the VIP proceeds, it was a stroke of luck on your part, and maybe you should be thankful that money you wouldn't have gotten if you left early came through. We can't get too much money right, no matter how weirdly we receive it?

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    Ok Tina... I get what you are saying but we both agreed to an hour. Why should I get paid half because he isn't satisfied? WHats next ? OOPs forgot to blow you maybe I'm only entitled to a quarter ? FUCK THAT....and does anyone else see my point ? I don't entertain losers for free and I expect to be paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    Twister, I understand your frustration, but as dancers we all know that nowadays customers increasingly want more than a dance in VIP. They feel that spending a large amount of money in VIP entitles them to extras or they have been ripped off.

    It doesn't matter what WE want. Customers have to want what we are selling, or we will have no customers, and the clubs will go out of business. Many guys feel VIP rooms are rip offs anyway. If you were a customer, would you pay money to go in a VIP or Champagne room? Most likely not.

    As you say it's easy money for basically doing nothing.

    In my opinion, for a VIP to go smoothly a dancer really needs to have found a customer whom they click with, and one who ins't really concerned about having sex for his money. And MANY guys nowadays just aren't like that. They feel that they are spending more money and want more for it. We can't change that. That is just the way it is. Here and there will be good respectful customers who can afford to blow the money on VIP without any immediate sexual expectations, but not on a regular basis.

    Don't most clubs charge up front for the VIP time? If that had been done, he would have left, but you would have gotten all your money.

    On a glass half full note, you were leaving work early most likely because money was slow, so even if you got only half the VIP proceeds, it was a stroke of luck on your part, and maybe you should be thankful that money you wouldn't have gotten if you left early came through. We can't get too much money right, no matter how weirdly we receive it?
    Oh my bad.. I was leaving work early because I was sick of th idiots there pushing me beyond my limits . I'm NOT thankful because my club FUCKED me and I was on my way home ! THEY made more money than me! I am fine on money but I would rather be at home...and aren't you a dancer ? Whose side are you on ? OH wow I'm lucky that I got molested by some idiot for half price..YAY! Don't you wish it happened to you? Are you kidding me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    MANY guys nowadays just aren't like that. They feel that they are spending more money and want more for it. We can't change that. That is just the way it is. Here and there will be good respectful customers who can afford to blow the money on VIP without any immediate sexual expectations, but not on a regular basis.
    It is that thinking that just leaves me baffled. Would those same guys walk into a pharmacy and demand to be sold marajuana or cocaine?

    THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THEY IN THE STRIP CLUB DEMANDING SEX??

    Even in the most remote areas, usually an escort agency can be found. There are ways to find women who would be happy to provide exacly what these guys are looking for, so why go to the strip club and risk humiliating yourself?

    I just don't get it.


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    It is that thinking that just leaves me baffled. Would those same guys walk into a pharmacy and demand to be sold marajuana or cocaine?

    THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THEY IN THE STRIP CLUB DEMANDING SEX??
    I've never thought of that metaphor. I'm going to say that to the next guy who pulls out two hundreds and unzips his pants.

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    The situation was shitty, but it happened...and really the money should have been paid upfront, I've never allowed anyone to pay after the dances no matter if it's table dances or booths. And I've also never heard of a club allowing VIP booths or etc to be paid afterwards...

    Guess it's just a lesson learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris
    It is that thinking that just leaves me baffled. Would those same guys walk into a pharmacy and demand to be sold marajuana or cocaine?

    THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THEY IN THE STRIP CLUB DEMANDING SEX??

    Even in the most remote areas, usually an escort agency can be found. There are ways to find women who would be happy to provide exacly what these guys are looking for, so why go to the strip club and risk humiliating yourself?

    I just don't get it.
    The only problem with this is that a lot of the women in strip clubs (im sure your club is no differen't) are now offering what is not on the menu. To expect one thing of a dancer that another provides is not totally "out of this world."

    ALWAYS GET YOUR MONEY UPFRONT.

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    I'm so sorry that happened to you!! You work at Christie's, right? I thought that they were supposed to get the money up front! Whenever I've been paid for VIP in cash, they give it to me right at the beginning of the hour. When it's in funny money, they have the custy sign for the money at the beginning of the hour. I would talk to management if I were you. It sounds like proper procedure wasn't followed to ensure that you got paid. I hope you didn't tip your hostess.

    Besides all of that, if I had already been dressed, I would have told them, "NO WAY! I'M GOING HOME!!"

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    I lost my temper a little bit there...sorry Tina...was tipsy. But still ,I did my job. I stayed within the realm of whats legal and I expect to be paid. I told my comedian friend about it an he goes, "Wow ! That's great. I didn't know you could do that. Next time I get a dance from a chic I'm going to just tell her You know ,that dance wasn't so great..here's 4 bucks. Think of the money I'll save. " LOL

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    You have a right to be paid and if your host doesn't get your money up front, YOU do it.

    I'm so sorry that shit happened. It is more common now and I think the clubs have brought it on themselves. They aren't hurting so they don't reign in their patrons and stop illegal activity and theft. They won't feel the effects until they have destroyed the industry's reputation. By then, you and your kind of clean dancer will be long gone.

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    the managers at my club NEVER give the guy "money back" from the VIP. i'm honest with guys about what's going to "go down" in VIP with me. i let them know that they'll have a fantastic time, lots of fun, but aren't going to get any "extras" back there. the club knows i do this, that way if there's a dispute (although there almost never is) the club backs me 100%. i'm sorry that happened to you though. as long as you didn't lie to the guy about VIP(which i'm sure you didnt) and were trying to give him a good time (without the mileage) he was an asshole for wanting his money back.

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    ^^^^^She didn't even make the sale--the host did. So, of course, that begs the question, what did the host suggest you would do? Maybe that's your problem right there?

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    I deal with these guys every night I work too you know. The club should collect the money up front for VIP time, period.

    The point I am making, is that we ALL know that more and more guys EXPECT more than a dance for their money nowadays. We can talk all we want about what WE want, but what WE want isn't making the customers come to the clubs or part with their money, is it?

    Why are guys spending less money and visiting clubs less nowadays?

    If clubs had more floor momentum, didn't gouge so much for premium services, and offered a more fun atmosphere, guys could get wrapped up in the fun, and not be so serious about getting sex from all of us, couldn't they?

    Big clubs nowadays are all about maximizing their profits in a declining industry.

    Why are so many record stores like Tower Records going out of business? Because technology has changed and the demand for their products has decreased.

    The word on the street amongst strip club hobbyists is to avoid the VIP room unless the dances back there are better than on the floor,or unless sexual activity is on the menu.

    Just like when I work in the small town clubs with no VIP rooms. Guys ask for private shows, but out of 10 guys who ask, only about 2 really are content with a private shows, the other guys want sex and are kind of obnoxious.They don't want a show if no sex is involved.

    I am making a point that as dancers WE must accept the fact that more and more guys aren't as willing to pay us just for our looks anymore.

    Too many clubowners and dancers demand larger and larger amounts of money from customers for services that more and more customers don't feel are worth the money.

    I am not saying that this customer in question is not fucked up. Of course he is. But how many guys like that do we all deal with on a daily basis? The clubs are more and more desperate, especially clubs with large overhead, and that is a big problem. That is why they many times don't care what goes on in the VIP rooms.

    And all too many dancers walk around clubs with the attitude that they are hot, and guys should die to give them money just to be in their presence. And customers readily pick up this attitude.

    All I am saying is that many times we as strippers are not looking at both sides of the issue, just as club owners many times only see things from their point of view.

    The stripping industry is badly broken, and is in need of a big fix.


    Also:

    The big problem with Christie's occurred when it changed it's manner of operation. Girls going table to table there as they did when it was Tiffany's was a much better setup. Now the club is operating as more of a sitdown place and that opens up a can of worms for guys wanting more. You have to dialogue with each customer longer to get a sale, and all the upselling makes customers want more than a dance, and makes money slower to make.

    When money is harder to make, of course some girls are going to be willing to trade sex for money. Nothing can ever stop that, since sex will win over dances in virtually every guys mind.
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    I don't understand why guys in a major city like Phoenix with a thriving escort and incall business wouldn't seek out an incall for $250-$300, over risking spending money in a club and 9 times out of 10 not getting sex.

    Maybe I should pose that question on the blue site?

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    That situation sucks a lot. To be honest, I would blame part of it on the VIP hostess. She did several things all wrong. First, she should NOT have scheduled you for a VIP if you were already dressed and leaving. Second, she should have gotten the money upfront. Third, if this asshole didn't want to pay the full amount, she should have gotten a bouncer or did something better than letting him slip away before you got back. Maybe this grabby bastard didn't tip her, so that's why she didn't give a shit that he only gave you half the money? You weren't there to see their encounter...what if she pocketed some of the money? Something about the VIP hostess sounds kinda off, whether it is with the somewhat inefficient way she is doing her job, or maybe she doesn't like you very much.

    At one of my old clubs, there was a VIP hostess who seemed to always overcharge me for dances the few times that she took count. For example, I linger around for a minute after the dance, standing up while getting dressed and the guy talking on and on while I'm trying to end it; she would go and charge me the fee for a second dance, even though I was NOT dancing a second dance and certainly not getting paid for a second dance. I heard from a customer that she was one of the people who was gossiping about me a bit, too. Sorry, but I don't trust a lot of people.

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    I actually work at Bourbon and I'm really not sure why the money wasn't collected up front. I know they make the customer sign off on something that says he will pay his tab and they hold it with a credit card, but for whatever reason, according to the hostess, this dude paid in cash I wonder of you girls aren't right in suggesting that perhaps the hostess had a big part in all of this. She did tell me that I needed to "be patient" because he "has a lot of money and connections" Why would she send me over to a guy she knows is grabby when she knows that I am a lower contact dancer and then try to stiff me for half an hour? I am seriously puzzled and angry at the whole situation......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    I don't understand why guys in a major city like Phoenix with a thriving escort and incall business wouldn't seek out an incall for $250-$300, over risking spending money in a club and 9 times out of 10 not getting sex.

    Maybe I should pose that question on the blue site?
    No shit huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina
    I don't understand why guys in a major city like Phoenix with a thriving escort and incall business wouldn't seek out an incall for $250-$300, over risking spending money in a club and 9 times out of 10 not getting sex.

    Maybe I should pose that question on the blue site?
    Tina, please do post on blue, but this has already been discussed endlessly there.

    There's a huge range of opinions on this -- that you "don't know what you're getting on incall," through the "challenge of getting a girl to push her limits." There is a very significant number of guys who like to push girls' limits, and actually get off on that, and an equal number of dancers who indulge them. No, actually, girls who compete to indulge them. It's nowhere near "9 out of 10 not getting sex."

    Honestly, the VIPs in top clubs are, on an hourly basis, hugely, insanely, overwhelmingly more expensive than every other sexual transaction available out there. This is not exactly a news flash. Guys are not stupid -- they've done the math.

    But here's the deal. The best customers from the club perspective know this and that's why they are not in the club trawling for sex. For them, the club is never about a direct sexual transaction. It's more like hosting a party.

    This is pretty simple from the perspective of anybody who entertains people regularly. If you've ever thrown huge, insane, crazy parties where half the girls end up nude in the hot tub or doing shots in the kitchen or hosing you down with champagne, you will know at the end of the day that your party is costing you 20 or 30 or 50 times what any given sexual encounter -- if you really want to pay for one -- will ever cost you. But this is the last thought on your mind because you are throwing a party, having fun, and entertaining people. You are not exactly buying sex. The club is just a more compact and more efficient and intense version of a party.

    And the greatest part of a party in the club is that the cleaning service does not wake you up at some insanely early hour like noon and insist on cleaning up the entire damn house.

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