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    Mostafa Tabatabainejad the troublemaker is asked to leave or get his student ID card by student volunteers and then by the police.

    Mostafa the troublemaker's answer to the police when asked to leave is Fuck Off!

    Mostafa the troublemaker then decides to make a big scene about how he is going to leave but actually sits around being a big fucking dickhead.

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    What fucking assholes. I hope those losers lose their badges.
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    Looks painful. Why didn't those dumbasses just handcuff the guy instead of telling him to stand up while repeadetly tazering him. Kind of hard to stand when you got 50,000+volts streaming through your body. But then again, campus police aren't too bright to begin with.

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    Well, luckily justice is being served.





    UCPD officers became involved after they were asked for help by a community service officer – or CSO -- employed by the library. This is typically the next step in such a situation, since the UCPD officers and our CSOs – which number 123 and are mostly students -- work collaboratively and routinely without incident. A person identified after the incident as a student was repeatedly refusing to comply with the requirement that he show an ID in the library after 11 p.m.

    Showing an ID after 11 p.m. is a longstanding university policy to ensure the safety of all students. It is so routine that many of the students place their IDs on the table next to them so as not to be disturbed.

    The student was clearly told by both the community service officer and, subsequently, the UCPD that if he refused to show his ID, he would have to leave the library.

    When he continued to refuse to do so, officers attempted to escort him out. At this point, the student went limp and, at the same time, encouraged other library patrons to join in his resistance.

    These actions created an urgent situation in which the officers deemed it necessary to touch the student with a Taser that was set in its “drive stun” capacity in order to gain compliance. He was touched -- not “shot” -- with a Taser, which conveyed an electric current.

    He was subsequently arrested for resisting or obstructing a police officer, a misdemeanor. He was released with a citation and issued a court date. The incident is under investigation, and our case will be presented to the City Attorney.

    Maybe they should let every bum and who-knows-who sit around and pick women to rape? Or maybe they should have ID checks for the late night population of a large university campus?

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    I wonder why nobody even considered that the guy might have been mentally ill before they expected anything from him in the way of following their directions.

    A straight jacket might have been necessary to protect themselves and him, but repeated tazering...um no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DylanAngel
    I wonder why nobody even considered that the guy might have been mentally ill before they expected anything from him in the way of following their directions.

    A straight jacket might have been necessary to protect themselves and him, but repeated tazering...um no.
    Ding ding! We have a winner!


    Taser abuse is disgusting.


    And who said anything about rape? Sometimes unruly college kids dont want to follow orders just to be assholes.

    And also... that was NOT drive stun. You can hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DylanAngel
    I wonder why nobody even considered that the guy might have been mentally ill before they expected anything from him in the way of following their directions.

    A straight jacket might have been necessary to protect themselves and him, but repeated tazering...um no.
    So you suggest we put all people into straight jackets and pump em full of thorazine before asking them questions?

    If he didn't want to get tazered again, he should have got up and ran the fuck out of there.

    He was being a little punk for half an hour before the police arrived and then he turned into a great big dick head when they did.

    Since he was found out to be a student LATER ON this is something horrible. If he had been found to have a rape record no one would be crying and everyone would be cheering the police for forcibly removing him from the campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    So you suggest we put all people into straight jackets and pump em full of thorazine before asking them questions?

    If he didn't want to get tazered again, he should have got up and ran the fuck out of there.

    He was being a little punk for half an hour before the police arrived and then he turned into a great big dick head when they did.

    Since he was found out to be a student LATER ON this is something horrible. If he had been found to have a rape record no one would be crying and everyone would be cheering the police for forcibly removing him from the campus.

    Thats such bullshit. They didnt ask questions before shocking him, but its not ok to medicate? Last I checked, Thorazine doesnt cause heart complications. And as for him being such a punk, funny that the OTHER STUDENTS were sticking up for him. Hm....

    And no, I wouldnt cheer if he had a previous record for anything. I've been arrested before. So should I be judged in the future solely on that? He was a student, using a student library. End of story. He wasnt raping, he wasnt planning a rape. What's yer fixation on rape anyways?
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    They didn't taze him nearly enough; he had an agenda and he got exactly what he was looking for...
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    Do you know how HARD it is to get up when yo've been tazered?! They were tazering him because he didn't get up. You CAN'T!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinder
    Looks painful. Why didn't those dumbasses just handcuff the guy instead of telling him to stand up while repeadetly tazering him. Kind of hard to stand when you got 50,000+volts streaming through your body. But then again, campus police aren't too bright to begin with.
    Better.. he was already handcuffed.


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    He got what he was asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    So you suggest we put all people into straight jackets and pump em full of thorazine before asking them questions?
    Certainly not; however, you can't really think that tasering someone repeatedly for not having ID is acceptable. Surely there must be SOME WAY to train police to deal with people who MAY be mentally ill, or may be non-violently uncooperative without a full an assault.
    If he didn't want to get tazered again, he should have got up and ran the fuck out of there
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    Yes, and if we have nothing to hide we don't need to worry about illegal search and seizure. Abuse of weaponry is naturally the victim's fault.

    Since he was found out to be a student LATER ON this is something horrible. If he had been found to have a rape record no one would be crying and everyone would be cheering the police for forcibly removing him from the campus.
    Yes. But this is EXACTLY why it is not a good idea to taser first and ask questions later. And really - they are not meant to use those to bend people to their will. They are meant to alleviate danger, not be used against someone who isn't leaving fast enough. And notice how all the students - including the women that the hypothetical rapist would be targetting - seem to think the security and police are scarier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    Thats such bullshit. They didnt ask questions before shocking him, but its not ok to medicate? Last I checked, Thorazine doesnt cause heart complications. And as for him being such a punk, funny that the OTHER STUDENTS were sticking up for him. Hm....
    Yea, there was a real riot going on. Or maybe people were watching the loudmouth get what he deserved.

    I was half hoping the stupid "don't enforce the library's request to remove an unwanted person from the premises" hippies would rush the cops and get tazered themselves, there by providing evidence of hippie conductivity and perhaps even a hippie domino effect.

    And no, I wouldnt cheer if he had a previous record for anything. I've been arrested before. So should I be judged in the future solely on that? He was a student, using a student library. End of story. He wasnt raping, he wasnt planning a rape. What's yer fixation on rape anyways?
    Ah cuz the violent crime caused by unknown people on campus at night tends to be rape? Or I have actually heard with my own ears stupid girls go on about how they were walking alone on campus and a guy was following them so THEY WERE ALMOST RAPED until they could get into the dorms.

    It is women who are wandering around wondering if the strange men around them are going to rape them - don't you read this board? I'm just following the crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    So you suggest we put all people into straight jackets and pump em full of thorazine before asking them questions?
    Whoa there buddy. First off, do not use that tone with me. I never even addressed you. If you have an opposing opinion, fine. State it in a civil manner and do not even think of trying to assume what my suggestion would be.

    I am the product of TWO cops and I know that my mom and dad would have dealt with him a little differently. His behavior was not consistent with someone who is "all there" which is why they would not have resorted to using weaponry against an unarmed and possibly ill person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Certainly not; however, you can't really think that tasering someone repeatedly for not having ID is acceptable. Surely there must be SOME WAY to train police to deal with people who MAY be mentally ill, or may be non-violently uncooperative without a full an assault.
    They were tazering him NOT for lack of an ID but for REFUSAL to leave the premises after being requested to do so by both the library and the police.

    The actual consequence for no ID card was being asked to leave the library. He decided on his own to jack up the consequences for a far different offense.

    Yes, and if we have nothing to hide we don't need to worry about illegal search and seizure. Abuse of weaponry is naturally the victim's fault.
    Chewbacca is six feet tall. He was on the planet Endore for a while. Why would Chewbacca want to live with two foot tall Ewoks on Endor? I don't know but it is about as relevent to the discussion as the paragraph above.

    Yes. But this is EXACTLY why it is not a good idea to taser first and ask questions later. And really - they are not meant to use those to bend people to their will. They are meant to alleviate danger, not be used against someone who isn't leaving fast enough. And notice how all the students - including the women that the hypothetical rapist would be targetting - seem to think the security and police are scarier?
    There were questions asked first - like "Where is your ID?" "Will you please go?"

    As for the crowd - see previous answer.

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    Hmm. Some people would not think "please go" is adequate before committing an assault. Believe it or not police can be, and in fact ARE trained to deal with uncooperative people without assaulting them. There is no reason for them to react that way, and most police, and for that matter, security guards wouldn't. I find it really weird that you are so willing to excuse what is obviously abuse for a very minor infraction (trespassing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DylanAngel
    Whoa there buddy. First off, do not use that tone with me. I never even addressed you. If you have an opposing opinion, fine. State it in a civil manner and do not even think of trying to assume what my suggestion would be.

    I am the product of TWO cops and I know that my mom and dad would have dealt with him a little differently. His behavior was not consistent with someone who is "all there" which is why they would not have resorted to using weaponry against an unarmed and possibly ill person.
    Whoa hon. You produced a question "I wonder" and I proposed the solution problematic. It was in a civil manner and not "You off your fucking rocker race horse cuz that's the dumbest shit I heard of!" which would be, of course, uncivil.

    Disagreement does not mean uncivil.

    Being the child of a cop is not being a cop and I have worked with law enforcement also so there!

    They were using non-lethal force on a non-compliant and riot inducing individual (ranting about the patriot act and making a big ass scene.) He certainly had the energy to shoot his mouth off but not to be walking out of there.

    I will cede that training will probably be changed after this event, making UCLA more like San Francisco where the cops can't and won't do anything about the street vermin yelling at you, pissing all over the place, shoving needles up their arms, and basically being intimidating and uncivilized. It'll become more of a "Can't do anything until they do something and we'll hope your not hurt by it" kind of place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Yea, there was a real riot going on. Or maybe people were watching the loudmouth get what he deserved.
    Which is why you can hear people shouting at the cops to stop. Yes, cause they felt he deserved it. Maybe they all had tourettes?


    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    I was half hoping the stupid "don't enforce the library's request to remove an unwanted person from the premises" hippies would rush the cops and get tazered themselves, there by providing evidence of hippie conductivity and perhaps even a hippie domino effect.
    Hippies? Last I checked this isnt 1968. Hmm. I think you just get off on violence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Ah cuz the violent crime caused by unknown people on campus at night tends to be rape? Or I have actually heard with my own ears stupid girls go on about how they were walking alone on campus and a guy was following them so THEY WERE ALMOST RAPED until they could get into the dorms.

    It is women who are wandering around wondering if the strange men around them are going to rape them - don't you read this board? I'm just following the crowd.

    So where in the nes did they say that he was following women? Last I read, he was in a library full of people. And rape isnt the only crime to occur on college campuses. Sorry to burst your rape fantasy bubble.


    I have a feeling that this was a case of the campus police have a deserved reputation for being cocky losers and this kid didnt want to take their bullshit. Like kids do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
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    Hmm. Some people would not think "please go" is adequate before committing an assault. Believe it or not police can be, and in fact ARE trained to deal with uncooperative people without assaulting them. There is no reason for them to react that way, and most police, and for that matter, security guards wouldn't. I find it really weird that you are so willing to excuse what is obviously abuse for a very minor infraction (trespassing).
    Oh please. Have you ever watched Cops? It is rarely ceremonious and dignified.

    Which is worse - an unresponsive to lawful orders trouble maker getting zapped a couple of times or wrestled to the ground, handcuffed, bruised and battered and have a nice Dr.'s note about a dislocated shoulder to sue the good people of California over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Whoa hon. You produced a question "I wonder" and I proposed the solution problematic. It was in a civil manner and not "You off your fucking rocker race horse cuz that's the dumbest shit I heard of!" which would be, of course, uncivil.

    Disagreement does not mean uncivil.

    Being the child of a cop is not being a cop and I have worked with law enforcement also so there!

    They were using non-lethal force on a non-compliant and riot inducing individual (ranting about the patriot act and making a big ass scene.) He certainly had the energy to shoot his mouth off but not to be walking out of there.

    I will cede that training will probably be changed after this event, making UCLA more like San Francisco where the cops can't and won't do anything about the street vermin yelling at you, pissing all over the place, shoving needles up their arms, and basically being intimidating and uncivilized. It'll become more of a "Can't do anything until they do something and we'll hope your not hurt by it" kind of place.
    You are beyond hearing anyone elses's side but your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    I have a feeling that this was a case of the campus police have a deserved reputation for being cocky losers and this kid didnt want to take their bullshit. Like kids do.
    Actually, my suspicion would be that he didn't spend that much time in the library and didn't realize that the request for ID was standard and normal, and thought (wrongly) that he was being targetted. Hence the patriot act commentary. Plus, if it's recent, exams are coming up. Students are stressed.

    Deogol - it must be sad to live in such a xenophobic, paranoid universe that the only way to deal with a nominal trespasser in a quasi-public place (because he did, after all, have the right to be there and just lacked or was not inclined to prove it) is by committing a gross and serious assault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol
    Oh please. Have you ever watched Cops? It is rarely ceremonious and dignified.
    No. Is that where you're getting you're information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter
    Which is why you can hear people shouting at the cops to stop. Yes, cause they felt he deserved it. Maybe they all had tourettes?
    Or maybe it is uncomfortable to watch someone being physically induced to leave when words won't do the trick.

    Hippies? Last I checked this isnt 1968. Hmm. I think you just get off on violence.
    I've lived in California. Have you? There are definitely hippie idiots alive and well and unfortunately breeding out there. Having lived there, I can assure you the hippies like violence far more than I do ironically.


    So where in the nes did they say that he was following women? Last I read, he was in a library full of people. And rape isnt the only crime to occur on college campuses. Sorry to burst your rape fantasy bubble.
    Yea whatever. Like I said, since it is usually the first thing out of a woman's mouth when she is uncomfortable about a strange man screaming obsceneties and flailing around like a wild person in the middle of the night while surrounded by police I figured I would try it out. You have given me plenty of ammo for the next ridiculous "almost raped" thread that comes up and I thank you for that.

    I have a feeling that this was a case of the campus police have a deserved reputation for being cocky losers and this kid didnt want to take their bullshit. Like kids do.
    Yep - and he learned the consequences of being uncivilized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Actually, my suspicion would be that he didn't spend that much time in the library and didn't realize that the request for ID was standard and normal, and thought (wrongly) that he was being targetted. Hence the patriot act commentary. Plus, if it's recent, exams are coming up. Students are stressed.
    Um. No. The information I have says he has been there three years or so. I suspect he has a handle on the required ID after 11:00pm rule.

    Deogol - it must be sad to live in such a xenophobic, paranoid universe that the only way to deal with a nominal trespasser in a quasi-public place (because he did, after all, have the right to be there and just lacked or was not inclined to prove it) is by committing a gross and serious assault.
    Entertaining to see someone refuse to see it was the non-compliance to lawful orders by both the people responsible for the safety and use of the library and the police who were called by said people to leave -- repeatedly ignored as the reason for the application of physical inducement.

    Once again... very slowly... the tazers came out when he refused to leave under verbal order.

    Slowly... It was NOT like "Hey your trespassing BZZZZZZ!"

    Slowly... It was more like "Hey, your trespassing, please leave." "No. Fuck you." "OK, I'm calling the cops." "Fuck you." Cops come and say "time to go" and he's all like "DON'T TOUCH ME FUCK YOU!" Then BZZZZZZ.

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