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    First, to colour the feeling behind this post, "ugh". I know the general advice for guys looking for 'more' than dances is to ignore them. But I need to emphasize that, on some nights especially, every second guy I speak to is like this. So as not to go home empty handed, I try to convince them that my dances are still "fun", without involving hand jobs, and all the rest they might imply. I don't lie exactly. I might "wink" and say "I'm the best". An opinion, so not 'a lie', but not honest either, if I think they think I mean what I don't. Does that make sense? I don't like doing this, but I admit I sometimes do to not go home emptyhanded.

    Now as for VIP at my club, I have yet to sell one. I think that, given the expectations for $20 at my club, I could only imagine what a guy might expect for $400/ hour ($300 to me). This one guy last night asked just that after he spent $40 for two dances from me. He said "well, I guess it'd be quite a lot for $400". I said "oh yeah, it's a lot of fun. Nice and private...". At this point, I could have 'winked', emphasized the fun, and have gotten a VIP. I didn't though, since I knew he expected more than I would do, but he never said anything outright about extras. Neither did I, but I sensed that was the implication, so I didn't go through with the sale. I hate being 'dishonest'. However, it would be the very, very rare customer I meet there who might consider that kind of money for the actual 'vip experience' I'd be willing to give (re: nothing more explicit than I'd do anywhere else in the club).

    Am I wrong to be misleadiing like I am? I know I'm not right, but I think that they're a little wrong to expect sex in a strip club when that is clearly not the normal offering. So it's two wrongs...like two lefts, I know that doesn't add up to a 'right'. I'm just wondering if other girls do this too. What would others do in the VIP situation, for example? It's frustrating to feel like a bit of borderline shady carsalesman.

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    Okay; before you resort:
    how much time do you spend talking to customers? We don't have a VIP, so I don't do this now, but my experience is that guys buying the VIP are buying because they are into you and want to spend the money, not for the additional mileage. So, it might be better for you (and I wouldn't recommend this for everyone, but having met you, I know that you are strip club custy catnip) to adjust your convo-time. Make it clear that they are buying time with you to deliver a hybrid girlfriend experience/porn star experience. That is - you can spend time drinking and talking and cuddling and also spend time touching you intimately. Perhaps both at the same time.
    Also - consider adjusting your mileage a little. Just a little - don't handicap yourself on the floor, but deliver a little bit less than what you are doing, and then deliver a little bit more in VIP. Like, if you allow "full breast access" only allow full nipple access in VIP. If you grind for like 1/4 of the song, grind for longer in the VIP. If you smile at the customer, touch yourself and act like you're getting off (or actually get off - up to you) in the VIP. Talk a little dirty.
    Are your dances out on the floor in front of everyone? You can just say that you like it better in VIP because people aren't watching. You don't like other custy's perving on your dance.
    If guys ask about specific differences, tell them it's hard to quantify, but it's definitely better. That is usually the case, anyway. It's like "Well, I put my vagina 1.5 inches closer to your face so you can better smell my vaginal secretions, and I allow you to pull me in a lot more during the grind, and I will bite your earlobe instead of just breathing in your ear, and let you grab my hair when rubbing my head against your thighs..." - hard to quanitfy, you know?
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    I have the same problem here. I'd say about 85% of the guys in the club are looking for extras...so you either play them or go broke..you cant ignore them. On the other hand...since they are being sleazy and asking for stuff they know damn well is illegal..i have no guilt about playing them. I do the wink and "It'll be the best baby...." If they press for details I get all flustered and ask if tehy are a cop....tehn they think that I DO do something, but i just wont SAY it in case they are LE(ugh). If they still press for details I tell them "wait...you want WHAT???? Are you implying that i'm a WHORE???? FUCK YOU PERV" and walk away. Hopefully they'll think twice before pressing the next girl so at least SOMEONE can make money off their sorry, pathetic asses.

    Two things to be SURE of....1) that you get all your money UP FRONT for VIP's/champagne rooms. Since once they find out that you werent being coy and you really arent going to do anything other than dance, they arent likely to pay and 2) make sure a bouncer knows to watch you like a hawk in there in case the guy decides to go ahead and do whatever whether you like it or not.

    It sucks that we have to resort to these tactics...and at times I do get guys who are cool and looking to have fun ...and I make sure to tell them how much I appreciate that they arent pervs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny

    Are your dances out on the floor in front of everyone? You can just say that you like it better in VIP because people aren't watching. You don't like other custy's perving on your dance.
    LOL..I use this a LOT!! I tell them that I want to concentrate just on them without other people distracting me. And that the champagne(they get a bottle with the VIP room) gets me SO turned on..."must be those little bubbles..giggle giggle"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    If guys ask about specific differences, tell them it's hard to quantify, but it's definitely better.
    I tell them that I dont have a choreographed routine....I just like to go with the flow of the room and see where it takes us.....they interpret that as they please....:-P
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    All variations on the same theme.
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    I haven't been getting VIP's in the last month, and it's been irking me! A LOT I feel to do with me, but also a touch to do with the club being really rubbish apart from 1/2 standouts per night. Ok so I guess it's jealousy of a form, and a self perpetuating down simmered with Hormone overdrive!! Grr, that's an eloquent way of saying I've been pissed off and not had a fun month!

    My mate at work who never ever ever fails to sell a vip hour acts the dirty mischevious girl, all naughty smiles, and 'We can get dirty, not enough to get arrested though giggle giggle' and 'How much fun do you want to have?' She gives the impression that the *only* way to have fun with her is via vip. I do know as well she implies dirty and she gives some too but not an extra girl. So if someone says they want a good time she says she'll give it then gets her cash up front!

    Maybe I should be picking up these lessons Or find my own style!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon


    Am I wrong to be misleadiing like I am? I know I'm not right, but I think that they're a little wrong to expect sex in a strip club when that is clearly not the normal offering. So it's two wrongs...like two lefts, I know that doesn't add up to a 'right'. I'm just wondering if other girls do this too. What would others do in the VIP situation, for example? It's frustrating to feel like a bit of borderline shady carsalesman.
    I'm confused, why do you believe that you're misleading them? I tell guys, "oh it's money well spent" I wink, I say, "well I just had another guy the other night go 2hr in VIP, so hey I must be doing something right" hell, I let the customer THINK what he wants to freaking think. I'm a good entertainer, and I'd also like to think of myself as a good saleswoman.







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