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    Default Woman faces fines for wreath peace sign

    What ever happened to "Peace On Earth..."?
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061127/...nti_peace_sign
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    Default Re: Woman faces fines for wreath peace sign

    well damn. this is why i will never buy a home in one of those "home owner association" places.

    south florida has alot of those and i've heard nothing good...a guy went to paint his house and had the color approved then the association decided after he painted the house they didnt like it and began to fine him, the worst ever was a WWII vet hung the american flag on a typical flag pole on his property and he was taken to court for it. luckily most of the time things like that can be appealed and usualy thrown out of court...it only stands if things are a hazard or a bad bad eye sore.

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    Utterly ridiculous. There are no more words that I can think of....
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    I read that on AOL, Seriously people......I can think of a million other things that need our attention besides a woman's peace sign wreath!

    lame lame lame.




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    seriously...if those association people weren't so busy being nosey and bitchy they could...oh i dunno do charity work for the homeless...help orphans...voulenteer at YMC for under privlaged youth...rummage sale for charity...at least decorate the neighborhood for one of those x-mas lights things... well we get the idea. just too busy beign stuck up.

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    I'm with you JettaNyx - I won't buy anything with a home owners association either. There are just to many stories about harassment and un-american ideals going on in those places these days.

    A good idea in the beginning, but I think more and more people are thinking like we do.

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    ^^ In cali, it's near impossible to find new homes without HOAs. You have to go rural/old neighborhoods. Man, what's the point of owning a home in some of those places? you PAY to have people tell you what you can do to your house. Lu-di-crous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaNyx View Post
    well damn. this is why i will never buy a home in one of those "home owner association" places.
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    I live in a place with a HOA and it sucks sometimes, but at the same time, it stops people from doing stupid shit to the outside of their houes, which decrease your property value. So ultimately, I find it positive.

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    I'm the prez of my HOA, and it sucks all the time. Thing is, there are bylaws, and they have to be enforced uniformly. If the rule is no displays on the outside of the property, then that's the rule. It applies to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    I live in a place with a HOA and it sucks sometimes, but at the same time, it stops people from doing stupid shit to the outside of their houes, which decrease your property value. So ultimately, I find it positive.
    I just don't know how much is needed to decrease someone else's property value by a neighbor.

    Mostly from what I have seen, is that gentrification runs the messy kind right out of the neighborhood anyhow.

    If anything - the extreme uniformity enforced can cause entire housing divisions to decrease in value all together. There is little chance to do something to make your house stand out in an sales manner. The answer is "Hey, the house at the front gate sold $50K less last month - you can cut your price too."

    I suspect it is a false argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver View Post
    I'm the prez of my HOA, and it sucks all the time. Thing is, there are bylaws, and they have to be enforced uniformly. If the rule is no displays on the outside of the property, then that's the rule. It applies to everyone.
    The good thing about stories like this becoming public is that more and more people are becoming aware they sign away their constitutional rights with the deed.

    Says a little something about corporatism's power in America these days.

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    Sometimes my fellow Coloradans make me want to scream.

    Honestly, as if my friends in other cities weren't making enough fun of me for living in the state with Focus on the Family headquarters, 3 hour Krispy Kreme donut lines, high school masacres, unsolved child beauty queen murders, and bad Time-Life music compilations... now this?

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    What Mia says.

    My own HOA is inactive. A friend of mine is in a totalitarian one - had to hire a lawyer to write the snarl letter to get the HOA to forego fines on something that wasn't even a violation. Crazy. (The letter worked, proving that there are good uses for lawyers sometimes.)

    The fact is that if you want more rights, you give up more control. If you want more control, you're going to give up more rights. It's an eternal balance, and different places find different balances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayOz View Post
    What ever happened to "Peace On Earth..."?
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061127/...nti_peace_sign
    Apparently peace must be saten work .
    It must be pretty hot in flordia, because the sun must have fried those idiots brain.


    This is why I could never live in that type of community! NOone can be an thier own person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno View Post
    The fact is that if you want more rights, you give up more control. If you want more control, you're going to give up more rights.
    And history shows that those who trade their rights for security, ahem, "control", eventually end up losing both.

    I'm sorry but HOA's are merely another vehicle for neurotic conformist busybodies to accumulate more control over our lives and send this once free nation sliding headfirst into bondage. If these associations were all fine and dandy, stories like this wouldn't be making the news. Hell, here's a whole website documenting HOA abuses.

    http://www.ahrc.com/new/index.php/src/news

    About the only reason I don't suggest HOA's be constitutionally banned is because people are stupid enough on their own free will to surrender their freedom for some illusion of raised property values, that is assuming these people even bothered to read the CC&R's tied to their deed. The problem is that in many parts of the country, if you want to buy a decent home, or pretty much any new home, you're pretty much resigned to joining an HOA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    The problem is that in many parts of the country, if you want to buy a decent home, or pretty much any new home, you're pretty much resigned to joining an HOA.
    They are all rip off's right now - I'll take a fixer-upper any day.

    (That said, I have done construction so it's not a scary thing to me compared to someone who hasn't I suppose.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    And history shows that those who trade their rights for security, ahem, "control", eventually end up losing both.
    At the risk of thread drift, I can't agree. The balance can, and has, drifted back and forth along the scale, usually in a narrow band situated toward the middle, at least in my observation. It's when you get too far to one side or the other that it gets out of whack.

    But I actually woudn't mind making some of the more oppressive HOA provisions unconstitutional. There's precedent for it: You cannot sign your rights against death or slavery away. It wouldn't bother me if there were degrees of expression that you couldn't constitutionally sign away. Of course, the devil's in the details on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post

    I'm sorry but HOA's are merely another vehicle for neurotic conformist busybodies to accumulate more control over our lives and send this once free nation sliding headfirst into bondage.
    Amen brother.
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    I'll still take my HOA anyday. I don't like when the rules affect me (like they say you can only have two pets per house), but I like that my neighbors can't put up an ugly chain-link fence or keep their Christmas lights up all year long. I used to live in a house without a HOA and it was cool that nobody cared if I mowed my lawn, but you know....I'm now glad I have a reason to. I love Stepford! I don't understand why anyone get so bent up over HOAs. If you don't want one, you don't have to have one.

    (although, in this case, I would pay the fine....it'd be worth the price of admission to the angry Republicans frenzy)

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    She has been swamped with offers to help pay the fine:

    Support rolls in for peace sign

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    My first husband use to say "f*&k em' if they can't take a joke and f*&k 'em if they can" The HOA's need to got a hold of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayOz View Post
    What ever happened to "Peace On Earth..."?
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061127/...nti_peace_sign
    When has there ever been peace on earth?

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    All I can think of was the dude who got into trouble at a mall in upstate NY for wearing a pro-peace shirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    And history shows that those who trade their rights for security, ahem, "control", eventually end up losing both.
    As is indicated in my favorite quote from Ben Franklin:

    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"


    Quote Originally Posted by dlabtot View Post
    She has been swamped with offers to help pay the fine:
    Right on

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