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    Default Re: Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    Here, hate crimes are verbal - it's about things you say in public forums, not beating someone up.
    There are, I think, sentencing recommendations for violent crimes that are motivated by prejudice.
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    Default Re: Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    I don't really believe in hate crime statutes, because I'm not sure how you quantify person A "hating" person B per se constitutes a crime, as opposed to discovering anecdotal evidence that person A wished to cause person B harm.

    But if you're going to have hate crime statutes on the books, they have to in fairness to everyone be equilaterally applied. In this particular case, I believe the shoe fits.
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    Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    imho, yes.

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    Default Re: Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    What part of:

    The violence occurred on a predominantly white block known for elaborate Halloween decorations and fancy candy. According to police, a group of black youths — mostly teenagers but some as young as 12 — allegedly hurled racial insults at the women, threw objects at them and then knocked them to the ground with kicks, punches and skateboard blows.

    isn't descriptive of a hate crime?

    Charge em.

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    Default Re: Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    Ofcorse NOT. Hate crime statutes are racist in nature and promote more racism. So because black people used slurs while assaulting white people it should be tried as a "hate crime"? Why? If it was 8 white people attacking 3 white people, would it still be a hate crime?

    From the first article. "The youths, who also face felony assault charges, appeared in court Wednesday and pleaded not guilty"

    Thats exactly what they should be charged with. wether or not they're racist or hated the others race is irrelivant.

    So obviously my rationalle for why not is because i think "hating" someone isn't a crime. The assualt is the crime.

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    Default Re: Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    I don't really believe in hate crime statutes, because I'm not sure how you quantify person A "hating" person B per se constitutes a crime, as opposed to discovering anecdotal evidence that person A wished to cause person B harm.
    Exactly.

    Hate crime statutes are racist in nature and promote more racism. So because black people used slurs while assaulting white people it should be tried as a "hate crime"? Why? If it was 8 white people attacking 3 white people, would it still be a hate crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son View Post
    Ofcorse NOT. Hate crime statutes are racist in nature and promote more racism. So because black people used slurs while assaulting white people it should be tried as a "hate crime"? Why? If it was 8 white people attacking 3 white people, would it still be a hate crime?

    From the first article. "The youths, who also face felony assault charges, appeared in court Wednesday and pleaded not guilty"

    Thats exactly what they should be charged with. wether or not they're racist or hated the others race is irrelivant.

    So obviously my rationalle for why not is because i think "hating" someone isn't a crime. The assualt is the crime.

    I agree with your thinking (to the point of not even answering my race on census forms) - but if the question is about applicability of existing laws - they apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    I don't really believe in hate crime statutes, because I'm not sure how you quantify person A "hating" person B per se constitutes a crime, as opposed to discovering anecdotal evidence that person A wished to cause person B harm.
    Like I said - up here hate crimes have more to do with "inciting hatred" than assaulting people. But wouldn't you just establish that the accused assaulted the victim because of hatred/prejudice the same way you would establish any other kind of intent? I don't see why that seems challenging?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Like I said - up here hate crimes have more to do with "inciting hatred" than assaulting people. But wouldn't you just establish that the accused assaulted the victim because of hatred/prejudice the same way you would establish any other kind of intent? I don't see why that seems challenging?
    I guess we would have to find out what was said. If it was like "Hit that white cracker bitch in the head!" then that would certainly be inciting.

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    Default Re: Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    Yeah, but here THAT would be the hate crime, not actually hitting the girl in the head. Although I think it has more do with public forums than private interactions as well. You'd have to rent a theatre. We do have sentencing provisions for assaults that are motivated by prejudice; but our concept on a hate crime is, I think, different.

    My point was that if you have a special kind of assault charge for assault motivated by prejudice, proving that the assault was motivated by prejudice would be the same as proving any other element. I'm just kind of interestedin why this might be seen as different.
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    Default Re: Should this attack be prosecuted as a hate crime?

    If the person is yelling out the epithet while beating on someone - wouldn't that be an obvious mixture of inciting hatred and assault?

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    Yes. Although inciting hatred is not really what is at issue in your version of hate crimes. That's why it doesn't seem particularly onerous or difficult to prove. So I don't really see why you are trying to argue with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Yes. Although inciting hatred is not really what is at issue in your version of hate crimes. That's why it doesn't seem particularly onerous or difficult to prove. So I don't really see why you are trying to argue with me.
    I'm not arguing - just looking for clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son View Post
    If it was 8 white people attacking 3 white people, would it still be a hate crime?

    From the first article. "The youths, who also face felony assault charges, appeared in court Wednesday and pleaded not guilty"

    Thats exactly what they should be charged with. wether or not they're racist or hated the others race is irrelivant.

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    I kinda agree with sanderson. I think not only should these people be charge with a hate crime but also they should face felony assault charges. They target those poor women because they where white. To me thats a hate crime.
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    Update

    The last I've heard about this case, a witness, an 18-year-old woman, has been threatened by gang members for her testimony against the attackers.

    From what was said on the radio, her car was rammed while parked at her home, to the point of being totaled. All that is known so far is a car with four young males backed into her car, and from what witnesses have said, were wearilng clothing distinctive to the Crips gang.

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    IMO... every violent crime is some sort of "hate crime". The whole concept is ridiculous.

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