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    I know some vegitarians and vegans are that way for health, some for cruelty reasons, some for both, and some for other reasons. The other day I was thinking, what if organic stores like Whole Foods or Trader Joes carried a special line of meat where ALL animals were humanely put down by a shot like they do at the vet's office. No pain, no senseless suffering. It would be interesting to see people's reactions and if some vegitarians or vegans would buy it. I'm not even sure if it's possible to not taint the meat with that though.

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    I'd like to see how you'd kill a creature as big as a cow without the chemicals being able to kill a human 1/10th it's body mass.


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    Yeah, like I said I'm not sure if it's possible to make a euthinzation shot stay in a certain part of the body, like the brain or heart, so it doesn't taint all of the meat.

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    It's entirely possible. There isn't a doubt in my mind that there is a chemical that could be toxic to one mammal but not to another. I mean you could put an animal down under anesthesia, and then stop it's heart with a chemical and isolate the paths of blood flow and stay away from them in the harvesting. The testing it would go throw would test for human effecting chemicals before it makes it to market... however it would have to be tested and well, that means animals will have to die.

    Secondly, if you think there ISN'T chemicals in the meat we purchase now... well...
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    ^ That would be too expensive and not valuable to meat seller, though. I was thinking of a cheap humane option, personally. Not sure about the OP though.


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    Well that is true, but it still fits in the generalization you made since ever as it stands today the amount of meat that gets rejected as a result of the FDA and cost of making the meat pass requirements for safety makes it no where near as profitable as it was. Especially with all the E.Coli scares now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    I am only knowledgeable about this topic currently because of some toilet reading I did about a week ago.
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    When I looked at this thread title I thought it said "Human Meat".

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan View Post
    ^ That would be too expensive and not valuable to meat seller, though. I was thinking of a cheap humane option, personally. Not sure about the OP though.
    Nope wouldn't be cheap. But that's the beauty of the organic markets, not the bargain places. People pay higher prices for pretty much everything in organic markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sc0101 View Post
    Nope wouldn't be cheap. But that's the beauty of the organic markets, not the bargain places. People pay higher prices for pretty much everything in organic markets.
    No kidding... I buy organic... but the cost of that meat is going to be hella expensive. I'm already paying $15+ a kilo for a turkey... what next?


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilithmorrigan View Post
    No kidding... I buy organic... but the cost of that meat is going to be hella expensive. I'm already paying $15+ a kilo for a turkey... what next?
    No clue. I have no knowledge on how much it costs to put animals to sleep in bulk, either with gas or with shots, and without the vet mark up.

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    You'd be surprised at how humane most cattle slaughtering is these days. I read an article on the subject last year that talked about how many if not most places are now using techniques that make the process very stress-less for cows...things like the way they herd them to the slaughter line are done in such a way as to make it seem natural to the cows...the cows are guided along a line that is actually comfortable for them...they are given a bolt to the head that pretty much instantaneously kills them with no pain.

    I know some people wouldn't even want to read the above, but the point is, the days of painful deaths of cows isn't really how it's done now.

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    Yes, but there are always those bad places that don't follow the humane way. Sadly.

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    i think for most vegetarians/vegans, there's still the fact that an animal is still being killed (murdered, as they often put it), regardless of whether it is done brutally or humanely.

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    My main problem with the killing of animals for our consumption is that they are killed whether we actually NEED the meat or not if you know what I mean? How much meat is actually used and eaten by us humans and not thrown away (because it didn't sell before it 'expired') ?

    Anyway, I refuse to eat any animal that I personally would not be able to kill myself. I eat chicken and seafood as I can see myself being able to kill such animals for consumption in a "survivor" situation. Whilst I have never killed such animals and adore animals... it's called the food chain and as long as I don't over kill/fish then it is okay as it is sustainable.

    I'm all for sustainable practices in the end that also help keep the "negative" (aka toxic) energies out of the meat. Believe me, there IS a difference between organic meats and supermarket shelf meat.


    I dispise people who will readily eat meat they bought in the supermarket yet would never be able to actual kill that animal if it actually came down to it. Hypocritical IMO as they are only eating that meat because they don't have any attachment to the being at the other end that provided them that food.


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    despite that, I still hate meat.

    I still would refuse to eat it.




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    A salmon is a lot harder to catch than a cow. I could personally and easily take a cow out, so...that's okay? As for the OP, I dunno...It's really too cost prohibitive. I buy my meat from Trader Joe's, no antibiotics/hormones/free range/all veggie diet/etc...but as was stated, I'm still eating an animal. "Humane" is a terribly relative term, especially if you're the animal in question. Either you're veggie, or you're not. That's just my opinion.
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    I wouldn't eat it. I've been a vegetarian since I was 15, that was 6 years ago. I won't even eat geletin. I love animals too much.
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    I can't believe that that was a serious question -- although I'm sure a lot of vegetarians/vegans make their dietary choices after being exposed to the horrors of slaughterhouses (and Mr. Hyde, frequently those bolts don't do their jobs and the cattle awaken to having their thoats slit), I think what's more disturbing are the conditions they're subjected to long before being slaughtered. Being fed diets that are so far removed from their natural inclinations that they're made ill, cramped into conditions so unsanitary that antibiotics are a must, and in general leading short unhealthy lives are far more of a concern than their ultimate end.

    A grass-fed cow that lives as a cow is supposed to live is, indeed, a lot more expensive than grain-fed feedlot beef. I would argue the price of the grass-fed beef is more reflective of the beef's true price. Removed from the corn subsidies that allow mass agribusiness to feed cattle cheaply and the cost of petroleum for manufacturing fertilizer and transporting feed, meat is expensive. It should be -- it isn't healthy for us or a wise use of arable land to eat so many animals that eat so much grain. Shit, the amount of water it takes to produce a Quarter Pounder is more than we use in our apartment all month.

    Anyhow . . . I've read a lot on the subject lately. I am an omnivore but I also believe that the way livestock is raised in this country is a serious threat to our health and must change. I worry a lot more about how the animals I eat live rather than how they die.

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    I haven't read all of the responses but if it means a lot to you to have humane butchery then see if you can find a halal butcher. I have nothing to do with the Muslim religion but the method of butchery is the most humane I've heard of.

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    am i the only person here who has no issue with tucking into a big fat steak?

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    ^^ Oh noes I <3 me some steak.

    I really really <3 me some A1.

    I just thought it said "Humane Mast" and I kinda red into the rhetorical too much.
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    the closest available to humane meat raising and slaughter is kosher meats. but even that isnt very human.

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    kosher meat. they are free to roam, eat grass, slaughtered by slicing of there throat instead being shot in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tootsie View Post
    kosher meat. they are free to roam, eat grass, slaughtered by slicing of there throat instead being shot in the head.

    Yep^. I usually buy from W.Foods or Tr.Joe's.
    I have tried a no red meat diet w/disasterous results. (being weak, even more tiired, etc). So I couldn't even consider vegetarianism, personally. Although, I do @ least 1 veg. meal a week.


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