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    Default What are the best VIP policies?

    I'm very excited here in Portland at the Dolphin II because they seem to be in the process of creating a "real" VIP room for us -- something that doesn't really exist in Portland yet. It is my devout hope that they'll give us the opportunity to have hourly rates/higher dance prices in there in order to make us more money rather than just using it as a hangout for good customers with no monetary benefit to the dancers like the "VIP" areas in Austin . . .

    So I am curious to hear the input of dancers and customers alike about what you think good VIP policies are. Here are some of my thoughts:

    -- a (relatively) low entry price to get them back there in the first place -- ie, instead of automatically charging, say, a $100 fee for the club plus the dancer's rates, something like what the CH2 in Philly does, where you can get back there for a $20 drink minimum plus the 3-for-$100 dances

    -- separate areas for those who are hanging out and those who are buying dances. If you're a club VIP, you have a seating area to hang out and drink, but this isn't in the couch dance area

    -- the opportunity to buy by the dance or by time. Our regular dance price is $20/song; perhaps back there it could be $30. In addition we could break it down by the half hour and hour.


    It is a much nicer area than the main couch dance part of the club and it will have its own bar. I think it'll be really nice to have but I want good policies in place and dammit, I'm giving my input if they want it or not. Another thing I hope they bear in mind is that we are in Portland, OR, not Vegas or NY and we can't charge the same prices here. However, we can charge enough to make it worthwhile for us to sell it. Without a doubt.

    Oh, also, do you find it's easier to sell when the guy pays a room fee and then you, or when he has a flat rate and the club takes a cut of the total?

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    How exciting! It makes the whole strip club experience better for everybody.

    What is most profitable for you is to go by the time. If you go by the dance, a customer gets mad that you aren't going to "do more," he'll walk out after the first one. If you go by the time, you've been paid. Furthermore, you don't have to worry every 3-5 minutes if he's going to stay.

    What is most convenient for the customers is one flat rate without any BS with buying champagne and drinks.

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    ^^Agreed. My old club had VIP....but it wasn't the greatest layout. $150 to $250 jsut to get in, they had to buy a bottle to get in....and then $200 an hour for us.

    that was a hard thing to sell.... but if they made it one flat price to get in and one set price for an hour...that'd be nicer I think. Or a drink minimum...something of that sort.

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post

    Oh, also, do you find it's easier to sell when the guy pays a room fee and then you, or when he has a flat rate and the club takes a cut of the total?
    I found it easier to quote my fee and then tell him what he had to pay in room fees. Some customers think we get ALL of the money, so if he knows he has to also pay the club, he doesn't look at me as to money grubbing







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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    It's easier for me to sell when I can just tell the guy a flat price. I've always done that whether or not it actually broke down that way - tell them the total price and that includes the room charges, etc. It sounds like more of a 'deal' that way. Also I find that telling them multiple charges makes it sound worse (and bores them); I never rattle off $xxx for me, $xxx for the room, and $xxx for drinks. If he has to pay each charge separately then, it's easier to simply explain that they break the total down...and by then he's already sold anyway.

    But yeah, if they'll just do a flat rate and take a cut at the end, that's easier for everyone.

    If they're gonna have a bar in the vip, then that can be where the club vips get to hang out if not buying dances - have them put some nicer barstools in for that.

    If dances are $20 on the floor, and you don't want to charge Vegas prices, maybe something like 3 for $80, or 3 for $100 includes 2 drinks then the bar gets a $20 cut. For half hours, $250 with $50 to the bar(includes a couple drinks) seems pretty reasonable to me. Discount it by $50 for an hour, and split the discount between dancer and club - $450 for hour, club gets $75 and dancer gets $375 - again it is a 'deal' so easier to upsell (also easy for him to just tip the $50 I have always disliked the way so many clubs try to gouge their good spenders. Uh, duh! if you give them a little break for being good customers, they will appreciate and be more likely to spend more.

    If they will set it up so the whole thing is one flat reasonable price and *includes* a couple drinks as well as all other fees, that is the easiest thing to sell IMO.

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    oooh how exciting susan! i hope it takes off! yes, your club shoudl do the 3/100 but would the club get a cut of that? if they just get teh 20 for drinks, it's really easy to sell. if they get 20 for drinks and 20 form you that's not too bad either, 80 for 3 songs whereas youd get 60 for dances? *sends you good vip sales*

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    Oy. I just reread my post. I mean that I think either 3 for $80 plus drinks OR 3 for $100 includes a couple drinks so the bar gets $20 cut - either way, girl gets $80 for 3 dances instead of the normal $60 for 3 floor dances.

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    ^^ I think it will be a cold day in hell when we can charge $450 an hour here -- hell, that's more than they charge in Vegas (at least at their CH2 and Sapphire). I would be thrilled to charge $300 for an hour and keep $250 of it. I do think that 3 for $80 dances are saleable and would like to see them do a drink minimum to make their money. Though I'm also perfectly happy to kick back a small percentage. It is not really possible to sell $250 worth of dances in an hour since we are up on stage at least once an hour almost always, plus on the weekends the DJ has this tendency to play 5 minute songs plus a minute break between sets, cutting the number of songs down to 12 or so an hour.

    So I suppose we're in agreement that quoting a flat price is easiest . . . hmm.

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    Theres a VIP in Dolphin 1 that is $40 for a song, $10 goes to the house. They are very hard to sell, because the dances really arent any different. The room gets rented out for parties as well, and when its rented out no dances can go on back there. I just dont think Portland is a VIP kind of town really.
    I've only ever used it for rich clients who liked it because its a little quieter.
    It will be interesting to see what they do with it at D2!

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    ^^ I know the deal at DI and honestly, in a *lot* of places the dances you get on the floor don't differ from the ones you get in VIP -- that's not really what you're selling. Plus $40 a song with $10 to the house? That doesn't give you much of an incentive to sell to the customer when you're thinking "Well, he could spend $160 on four songs back there and I'd keep $120 or he could spend it out here and I'd keep all of it," as opposed to "Well, he could spend $160 on me before I get called on stage again or I could sell him an hour and get skipped and keep $250 out of $300." The latter approach makes more money for both you *and* the club, and I hope they realize this.

    They were talking about using it for parties and I am vehemently against this for exactly the reason you've stated above. However, the area is larger than the one at DI and potentially they could host a party in there and still have room for dances.

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    i reread what i wrote earlier, and i have to add, it helps if you have a GOOD host. (realized that no one commented really on policies so much as pricing) maybe someone to help take the sale off of you a bit. for example, our club has a host as soon as you walk into VIP section who intros himself shakes hands and says "[i'd like to run a couple of things by you.] Back here in VIP we have 3 songs for $100, a half hour for $200, and an hour for $400. All that we ask for teh club is that you buy yourself and the lady a drink each. Sound good?" (most times i add, sounds great and smile nodding subtly so the guy doesn't say anythign about the drink minimum which i truly don't mention on the floor since it's a $20 drink minimum and i KNOW the host will say it, and it's easier to say 3/100 vs 3/120. if we go back and there is no mention of it, i'll say something like, "oh oops i almost forgot! the club asks you to buy two drinks back here. now we can get that drink you wanted to buy me out there!"

    also for repeat or upsells i find a host interruption to be harmful if they don't know what they are doing. my last two clubs woudl pop in at the end of the half hour and ask if the custy will be staying. if that's the case, right before it's over i'd start asking if they enjoyed it and such and saying the host will be back momentarily and i dont think it was enough time with them etc, but if it's NOT the case and i can ask, i find better ways to do it. i find it's just like asking for a second dance, except i make more.
    i hope that tidbit helps too.
    edited to add: oyyy that was no tidbit. i hope that longwinded speech helped. hehe.

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    Hmm. I have RARELY liked having a host(pimp) for vip. If I've got a guy headed up there, I've already sold him and I don't need some damn host interjecting with *another* schpiel to make the dude feel hustled. Especially if I've negotiated MORE than the club's standard price I've got no problem telling the guy about a drink minimum or whatever if there is one - once again if I've gotten to that point, he's already sold anyway.

    The ONLY host I ever worked with that I liked and who helped me out was one of the dudes in Puerto Rico who just had a knack for helping me turn guys who'd gone up for dances with me into vip buyers. That dude got tipped well. The rest, I'd rather they just kept their damn mouthes shut

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    Yeah, the VIP room policies at D1 definately dont work that well, incentive wise. As of Sunday, the new rule about getting skipped onstage is you pay $50 for half an hour and $100 for an hour.
    I usually dont try to sell VIPS for the exact reason you mentioned--do more dances and keep all the money. I never even mention VIP to customers, sometimes they will ask because they are curious what they will get back there. At least in my case, I do the same dance.

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    Default Re: What are the best VIP policies?

    VIP rules. The club that I work at is in Las Vegas, so it is an expensive one. It's 400 for an hour, 200 for half, 100 dollars for three songs. It's really cool because there's an hour room, a half hour room and then two 100 dollar rooms. The dances are slightly "dirtier" than on the floor. The club has the policy that the bouncer takes the money for you from the customer (you get to keep it all if it's cash, 90% if it's a credit card. Of course you should tip the bouncer 10% too) so that the customer's don't try to dick you over or haggle with you over the price.

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