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    I just watched a few clips of this and caught a discussion of it on Opera. It's pretty scary what is almost certain to happen to the planet within just the next 15 yrs.

    It's a movie about global warming and co2 polution. Some suggestions from the show were:
    1. buying compact florecent lights instead of regular lightbulbs ( it was said that replacing all of the lights in your house with these is the equivilent of taking 1 million cars off of the road)

    2. Using solar outside lights instead of electric or gas ones

    3. replacing air filters in a timely manner

    4. blanket your hot water heater ( with special blankets)

    5. When buying home appliances such as washing mashines, look for an "energy star" label, which means it is more environmentally friendly.

    6. programable thermostats ( range 50 - 99 $) setting your thermostat so your house is a bit warmer in the summer and a bit cooler in the winter was a major helpfull thing, but I forget how much.

    All of these things can be found at places like Lowes, and since I have to go there anyway this week, I will be purchasing these few things.


    Also, planting 4 trees a month balances a single persons co2 output, although I think 4 a month is a bit much.
    A website you can visit that will plant trees for you is Americanforests.org.

    Hey, if even a few of us do our part, it will make a difference.
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    I believe this is the entire thing:



    I would still buy the DVD though - I believe it is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    I believe this is the entire thing:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...nvenient+truth

    I would still buy the DVD though - I believe it is out.

    Yeah, its out already. Sales/rentals arent doin too good for it, at least around here.
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    Do I get to go to Heaven if I buy a Hybrid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotisch23 View Post
    Yeah I've seen it. It was pretty good. Gets to you on an emotional level but hard to believe what the real truth is when one person says the ozone layer is wearing too thin and the other says that it's getting too thick thus trapping more carbon monoxide.



    idk, maybe someone can explain it to me
    I think you might be confusing the atmospheric layer with the ozone layer.The atmospheric layer is closest to earth and keeps heat in but too much CO2 makes it too thick, and us too warm.

    The Ozone Layer is higher up, and contains ozone molecules, which keep the bad rays of the sun out, protecting us.Then there is this chemical we humans make called chlorofluorocarbon which eats up ozone, making that layer too thin.

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    I bought the book. And yeah it's scary.
    I think it's doing ok in Europe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerChild View Post
    I think you might be confusing the atmospheric layer with the ozone layer.The atmospheric layer is closest to earth and keeps heat in but too much CO2 makes it too thick, and us too warm.

    The Ozone Layer is higher up, and contains ozone molecules, which keep the bad rays of the sun out, protecting us.Then there is this chemical we humans make called chlorofluorocarbon which eats up ozone, making that layer too thin.
    Yeah I had to look up that information, that's why my post is already gone. Thanks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozz View Post
    Do I get to go to Heaven if I buy a Hybrid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter View Post
    Yeah, its out already. Sales/rentals arent doin too good for it, at least around here.

    Yeah, but who rents documentaries? Pirates of the Caribbean! En Garde!

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    Hey, if even a few of us do our part, it will make a difference.
    No, actually, it won't. The problems are macroeconomic in nature.
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    I beg to differ. People CAN make a difference. Global warming isn't the only issue. The water supply is another. Recycling is another.

    Sure, it would be damn-near impossible to reverse the damage done already, but you could certainly do a LOT to slow down our destruction of the earth.

    Also, BTW, I know some people are reluctant to buy CFL's b/c they think of bad office-lighting, but CFL's do come in 'soft white' and other colors and they work great. They're pricey, but they last a LONG time and once they become more mainstream, you can expect the price to go down a lot.






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    I personally think people spend too much time fearing things they cannot change and not enjoying their lives.

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    An individual can affect change... if they want to.... I think the problem really lies in the fact that people are either too lazy or they think they are too busy to do anything about it..... which is a real shame b/c it is soooooo easy to make a small changes like unplugging an appliances or two when you are not using them.... or even just pulling out the plug on your laptop when you turn it off. It may not sound like much but every little bit of eco-friendly activity adds up and creates positive change.

    If people aren't willing to even do something really small to enact change (like pull the plug on the laptop) for the well being of ourselves, I sure hope we are willing to do so for the benefit of our children and the generations to come.

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    Sure, doing what you can is great. But, a lot of people think that the sky is going to fall. But, in all seriousness...according to some studies, the global warming that everyone is so afraid is a natural cycle of the earth. We know that the earth goes through geological changes that have nothing to do with natural resource consumption...and yet you have people throwing out all of these numbers about global warming and how we're destroying the earth...yes, its warmer now (though with the temp being 8 degrees in Chicago right now, you'd never tell) than it was 50 years ago...global warming is a natural phenomenon.

    Do what you can to not be wasteful...but to kick yourself in the ass over something that you cannot really do something about is just a waste of precious life time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    Sure, doing what you can is great. But, a lot of people think that the sky is going to fall. But, in all seriousness...according to some studies, the global warming that everyone is so afraid is a natural cycle of the earth. We know that the earth goes through geological changes that have nothing to do with natural resource consumption...and yet you have people throwing out all of these numbers about global warming and how we're destroying the earth...yes, its warmer now (though with the temp being 8 degrees in Chicago right now, you'd never tell) than it was 50 years ago...global warming is a natural phenomenon.

    Do what you can to not be wasteful...but to kick yourself in the ass over something that you cannot really do something about is just a waste of precious life time.

    You really need to watch that movie!

    You speak of the natural variance that occurs, but what they are not telling you is the amplitude of that variance in the last forty years or so compared to the previous 6000 years used to establish these cycles.

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    Regarding the myth that global warming is nothing more than a cycle of natural phenomenon.


    An important finding here for refuting the global warming is a natural phenomenon argument is at no point in the past 650,000 years has CO2 or CH4 levels been as high as they are now. The maximum was between 260 to 300 ppm for CO2. We are currently at 370 ppm for CO2 and 1720 ppb for CH4. Clearly, this is caused by human activity and not a natural phenomenon.




    Scientists have found the first unequivocal link between man-made greenhouse gases and a dramatic heating of the Earth's oceans. The researchers - many funded by the US government - have seen what they describe as a "stunning" correlation between a rise in ocean temperature over the past 40 years and pollution of the atmosphere.(snip)

    (snip)The study involved scientists from the US Department of Energy, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California and the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, as well as the Met Office's Hadley Center.

    They analyzed more than 7 million recordings of ocean temperature from around the world, along with about 2 million readings of sea salinity, and compared the rise in temperatures at different depths to predictions made by two computer simulations of global warming.

    "Two models, one from here and one from England, got the observed warming almost exactly. In fact we were stunned by the degree of similarity," Dr Barnett said. "The models are right. So when a politician stands up and says 'the uncertainty in all these simulations start to question whether we can believe in these models', that argument is no longer tenable
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    another related article:


    Pretty much only the oil industry lobby groups are still pushing the natural phenomenon propaganda - despite the fact that vast majority of science experts have concluded that it is human activity causing global warming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    Pretty much only the oil industry lobby groups are still pushing the natural phenomenon propaganda - despite the fact that vast majority of science experts have concluded that it is human activity causing global warming.
    Don't forget the farming and meat industries. The deforestation hasn't helped any. If anything, those industries are more responsible, due to their massive consumption and pollution of water.

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    There is gonna be plenty of water around pretty soon if things keep up like this...

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    Yeah, thanks to carbon-dating and radiometric dating, there are thousands of scientific facts going back millions of years testing ice cores and sediment cores to determine climatic / geologic changes and there is nothing that points to this being a natural earth cycle. Sure there are cycles, but never to this extreme.

    However when Venus said this...
    "I personally think people spend too much time fearing things they cannot change and not enjoying their lives."
    ...I have to agree with her to an extent. Since I started studying Geology and Env Science, I have become more aware of Earth as a whole and I have chosen to make adjustments in my life.

    For example, I finally started the Chicago Blue Bag Recycling program, but I'm not completely anal about it. I'm not gonna go into hysterics if someone comes to my house and throws a can into my 'regular' garbage can, you know? I've changed to CFL bulbs and I try to be more conscious of unplugging things, not running my water unnecessarily, etc. Nothing major for me...just easy little adjustments.

    But I do not let it take over my life and I try not to preach to my family and friends about it. I don't want to be one of 'those' people that shoves my beliefs down everyone else's throat.






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    It will take a major effort to counteract the very significant effects the huge human population growth in the last hundred years has had upon the earth.

    I'm all for not looking up constantly to see if the sky is falling, but to believe that humanity (and the consequences of industrial pollution, etc.) is having no detrimental effect on the earth's environment is delusional, in my mind.

    I think we should all try to be aware of the fact, and adjust our lifestyles accordingly. If a major proportion of people in industrialized nations did this, we wouldn't have nearly so much to worry about.

    Will this happen? I have my doubts...

    Do I lie awake at night worrying about it? Fuck no...

    But for the sake of the survival of humanity, in any sort of comfort and security, maybe I should be.
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    The few things that were suggested by the researchers are simple things that only have to be done every so often, like, really how many times a year do you have to change your lightbulbs. These things are not ment to inconvienience people, and are small things to do.

    I can be wastefull at times, and probably more than some obsessed tree hugger. All I'm saying, is that we can each do our part by doing these few simple things. It's not a dramatic change that the scientists were asking for, it was small changes that add up, and, are of very little inconvienience to a person.
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    I thought it was a pretty boring movie. Not that I disagree with the message, but it seriously almost put me to sleep. Then again, I have read much of the same material before, so it wasn't anything new or groundbreaking to me.
    On another note, I LOVE my CFL's. They last forever and they save me money. And I can't wait to buy myself a hybrid car when the time comes. Also, I think it's so important for the construction industry to focus on green building technology. A house that I helped build for Habitat for Humanity used Low-E windows, Energy Star appliances, and careful insulation to create a home with average energy bills lower than $26/month. And all of this was done very cost effectively.
    I prefer to think of the positive steps we are taking, rather that the doom and gloom facts. But I realize that people need this sort of thing in order to be motivated to take action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    ...or even just pulling out the plug on your laptop when you turn it off...
    I don't recall where I read/heard about it, but iirc, leaving everything in your house/apartment/condo increases your electric bill by approximately 15%. Of course, your fridge has to remain plugged-in, and as I recall, I think it is the one appliance which uses the most electricity. Still, 15% savings on your other electric items is not to be sneezed at, and I already use CFLs.

    Also, I'm looking at solar chargers for AAA and AA batteries, since both my MP3 player and belt-clip AM/FM radio use one AAA battery. Each gadget gets about ten hours of use from one charge, and I have a recharger with the appropriate batteries, but it plugs into the wall socket. I want something which which will make both gadgets even more portable.

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    I don't know if individual actions can change things or not. But even if they can't, it's not a good reason for refusing to live better and more wisely.

    I don't understand a mentality that puts a chunk of income away for investments and retirement funds, but is wasteful in lifestyle. I'm thinking that a conserving mindset would apply itself generally, not specifically. Planning with an eye on the future is a global thing, not just a money thing.

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    It was a good movie until the end where he says you can save the world by going solar and conserving energy. Why be honest with people and then facilitate their denial? I don't get it.

    I mean, really, the only thing that's likely to save the world is the complete collapse of western civilization.



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