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    So I had this mental plan set up:

    I dropped out of one grad school program this summer and am taking undergrad classes to qualify for a top ranked school in slightly different field. But also, I needed to get out of debt before PhD no matter what (I would have otherwise been applying for PhD now). So started stripping, saving money, etc. I thought 1 year max.

    But then I realized this could be a handy long term way to lead a comfortable student life...not slurping ramen in the corner of the lab. So I was thinking about getting breast implants this summer during my down time as an "investment" in my income...and cause I want bigger boobs, duh!

    But then I was talking to my dad about it, and he said it was defacing the body, like getting a tattoo, and against jewish law...and he was super mad. And I was thinking, "You hypocrite, you paid for my nose job when I was in high school, WTF."

    And you know what, I am very happy with that. But I think this BA/defacement thing is BS. I have been searching the internet, with mixed results. I mean, I already have a tattoo, so I already fucked up...but I don't want to blatantly disregard religious law (as I eat pepperoni pizza---JK!)

    Then again, there is probably some other law against rubbing up against strangers in a g-string for *only* $20 a song...

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    The reason your nose job was 'ok' was cause you weren't adding anything to your body. Tattoos, piercing, and yes, implants, all introduce something 'foriegn' to the body.

    I still got my tats. They cut them off your body, seal the hole and then cover it before you're buried.

    Um, if you get implants and die early, your parents are gonna have to have a surgeon go in and take em out before you get buried.

    This is of course assuming your gonna be buried in a jewish ceremony and jewish cemetery....

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    ^Holy crap!
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    Holy shit! I did not know that! Thanks

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    Um, if you get implants and die early, your parents are gonna have to have a surgeon go in and take em out before you get buried.

    I was under the impression that they took out the implants no matter of your race/religion! Correct me if I am wrong....
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    ^^Fuckers better leave mine in! I'm gonna die with nice tits so I wanna take them with me too!!

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    can you imagine a decomposing corpse with implants?

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    my aunt is a rabbi. before i got my tattoo i asked her for her opinoin. she said it most definitely was an old wives tale, that you couldnt get a tattoo. "How else would they have buried the jews of the holocaust?"

    i do believe i know an extremely religious and for all definition purposes orthodox jew, who has a BA, and i guarantee you that she wouldn't have done so if it weren't ok.

    take for example a woman who has had a mastectomy on only one side. she would be able to have a BA, so why shouldn't a woman who wants one? I will ask my aunt, and if she says different i will come back and post her reply.

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    This link should answer a lot. http://www.aish.com/societyWork/scie...ic_Surgery.asp

    basically- reconstructive is ok, cosmetic, not so much.

    and i think the tattoos are more than a wives' tale... my mom grew up around a lot of holocaust survivors and saw the real tattoos, I was always taught that was the reason. but I should probably double check fact vs. emotional fiction.

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    can you imagine a decomposing corpse with implants?

    10,000 years in the future, after mankind has managed to kill himself off by one means or another, alien visitors will descend to earth and begin archaeological studies ( plot line of more than one science fiction story !) However, the alien archaeologists are absolutely puzzled when they discover piles and piles of 'silicon nodules' which haven't deteriorated at all over the course of 10,000 years ....

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    Ladies, I've been at all ends of the post-life experience. Nothing is removed or cut out unless ask for by an immediate family member, at a cost to them, harvesting corneas, has been something that has been under wraps ( good LA Times write up about this). So if you purchased ( or someone else!) your implants, you can rest assured, you CAN take them with you. Hope this shed's some light on the subject.

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    The tats are an old wives' tale, like everybody said.

    As for the BA, opinions would vary. Talk to a rabbi whose opinion you respect, or even a few of them. Personally I haven't seen anything in Jewish law that would prohibit breast implants.

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    There is a world of difference between "Jewish Law" and the Rabbinic traditions of Judaism (old wives tales).

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    The reason behind no tats is the holocaust. No reputable jewish cemetary would refuse burrial over this, or a cosmetic procedure. Judaism is hugely about forgiveness, and it never being to late to be a "better jew". Rediculous!!!! I grew up labovitch (hesidic, chabad), and I have a BA.

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    when I had my nosejob my mom told me it went against something in the bible. And she's not jewish. Oh, well. I told her God gave me this nose but he also gave plastic surgeons their talent so there must have been a reason for it!

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    wow i didn't know there were so many jewish strippers.. i hope that didn't sound stupid..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebony View Post
    wow i didn't know there were so many jewish strippers.. i hope that didn't sound stupid..
    hehe, espically on SW!!!! it's true. there are also a few of us from ultra conservative backgrounds.....

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    This thread is one of the many reasons SW is fascinating and compelling. Oh, rather lapsed tribe member here, too. Wondering if I should wish a "Happy Hanukkah" after my lapdance tonight.

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    You should. I love dancing for jewish custys.... but I usually notice something, an expression, accent, symbol, name.....

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    The holocaust tatts were forced upon those jews. It's different.

    It does depend on which cemetary you'll be buried in. My grandpa bought out enough plots for his kids and their spouses, and me and all my first cousins and our spouses with more room for the first couple of my generation's 'kids.' It's not a reform cemetary and they are strict. My uncle's tattoo was dealt with in the manner I stated in my first post.

    Whereas a holocaust survivor in my family did not have her tatt removed before being buried on this same plot.

    So maybe it's just dependant on the cemetary. I was under the impression they all followed the same rules.

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    I don't understand why it would matter. If it's that important, you can get them removed before you're buried.

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    Wow, It is really interested to see that so many girls on here are Jewish. I was not raised Jewish but have recently concidered converting. Have any of you converted or known someone who has. I would love to know more and hear from real people who know what its like.
    Thanks

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    First, man was created in the image of God, and in death his body still retains the unity of that image. One may not do violence to the human form even when the breath of life has expired. Judaism demands respect for the total man, his body as well as his soul. The worthiness of the whole of man may not be compromised even in death.

    Second, the dissection of the body, for reasons that are not urgent and directly applicable to specific existing medical cases, is considered a matter of shame and gross dishonor. As he was born, so does the deceased deserve to be laid to rest: tenderly and lovingly, not scientifically and dispassionately, as though he were an impersonal object of some experiment. The holiness of the human being demands that we do not tamper with his person.

    Third, we have no permission to use his body without his own express desire that it be used, and even then it is questionable whether the person himself may volunteer to mutilate the image in which he was created. Certainly, where the deceased in his lifetime gave no express permission, even his children have no rights of possession over his body. Thus, we have no moral right, except for the cases to be mentioned, to use the body of the deceased by offering it as an object for study.

    here is the article this came from, from the website of chabad.

    it's long, but a good lesson on the whole jewish burial process. Body modification, from ear piercing to implants to tats, isn't mentioned. Showing just how small an issue this really is!!!

    The rebbe has spoken on this topic, in depth, but I couldn't find it in my library, and don't want to do hours of research on this. Basicly, there are a lot of tales about what is acceptable....

    katherine, I'm curious about which cemetery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeAngel View Post
    Wow, It is really interested to see that so many girls on here are Jewish. I was not raised Jewish but have recently concidered converting. Have any of you converted or known someone who has. I would love to know more and hear from real people who know what its like.
    Thanks
    pm me any questions.... or maybe start a new thread, this one has gone off topic enough!!! but, here's a site to look at. True conversion is SO difficult, and not to be taken lightly. There are very few converts in Judiasm, it's always been that way. Most jews aren't so friendly to converts even, here's an article about that:

    something else to look at:




    what has made you "recently consider converting"????

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    It's in the NY metro area/Long Island. I'm sorry, but as a lot of my family is buried there, I don't want to be specific.

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