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    Last night I was in extras hell, I mean work, it was very slow and I had a series of guys that were asking me about the VIP. I knew right away what they wanted, and they were trying to bargain with me---like an extra $25 or $50 is gonna make me change my mind. Yuck, how insulting. So I laid it out straight, I very rarely go into the VIP and I don't perform sexual acts, including hand jobs and blow jobs. There are other sexual "performances" that I also don't want to do simply because it makes me uncomfortable. (not in my own life, but paying for in a dirty VIP room is a no-go).

    I was starting to get upset because I was getting really heavily pursued by these guys...probably because the few girls that did show up were all in the VIP doing the things I refuse to.

    So then I was hiding in the DJ booth, and he basically made me feel like i was being a chump. He was like, why don't you just take their money. And I was like, "Because I don't want some guy to get pissed and make a scene, or try to make me fulfill our bargain."

    Girls, a reality check please...am I being a chump? WTF?

    If anyone knows of a club in South Fla where less than 50% of the girls are giving extras in the back, PM me...I'd totally like to give a clean club a shot right now.

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    Pffft. In my experiance, DJ's are really good at giving out advise when they really have no idea what they're talking about.
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    If you're working in an extras heavy environment, you are going to have to learn the art of insinuation. You will have to become the master of making them think they are going to get something, work them up, then thank them for the time and tab out.

    It WILL eat at your soul.
    You may get ripped off by a pissed off customer
    Someone might still try to take liberties with you and you will have to fight.

    Its a nasty environment to be in if you aren't comfortable playing the customers. THIS is the number one reason why I am against letting stripclubs spiral into sex clubs.

    Or at least we could have the differences noted. Unfortunately the legal system isn't ready for that. Good luck!

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    Don't ever make a promise you can't keep. You never know what a pissed off person could do who just spent a couple hundred dollars on you. You can always say "oh, this is where the real party starts *wink wink*" or "lets go have some privacy *wink wink* but don't say "ok, I'll give you a BJ for an extra $50" or whatever. You never know what a customer will do when you take their money and don't live up to your end of the bargain or you never know when it will be LE!

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    ^^^ Exactly. Never EVER give a straight up answer to the "What do I get back there?" question. It can get you in legal trouble and physical trouble once a customer figures out that you were lying.
    Personally, I tell guys up front that I don't do shit in the VIP. As soon as they ask about it I tell them that nothing happens; I dance, they watch, period. But my club isn't a rampant extras club so I can get away with that. Personally, I'd rather stick to lap dances and stay out of the VIP if all of your customers are pulling that nonsense.
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    If you are good terms with the bouncer and waitress....do this. Tell the guy that he will have the most fun with you then anyone else there...if the other girls are doing extras..this INSINUATES that you do....but doesnt say that.Tell the waitress to tell the guy he has to pay for the room up front..including your fee(even if this isnt standard for your club). have her take it and hold it for you(so he cant snatch it back if he gets pissed). Tell the bouncer you think this guy might get a bit out of hand, so to make sure he has his eyes on you the whole time and maybe even pop in once in awhile so his presence is seen by the guy.

    If the guy gets mad...oh well. You never promised anything....he assumed. His bad. You got paid and the club will not give him a refund(unless your club is a REAL whorehouse, in which case get the hell out if they wont have your back)

    As far as other clubs..I sent you a PM
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    I insinuate things.... but never say outright. ya, guys feel jipped, but who fucking cares...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    I insinuate things.... but never say outright. ya, guys feel jipped, but who fucking cares...
    Exactly..I feel NO guilt at jipping a guy who is basically calling me a whore. HE started it...if he had been cool we would have BOTH had fun...sicne he wants to be a pig..he deserves whatever he gets.
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    Have you considered finding a club where you don't have to do that? No, I don't do that and I wouldn't feel good about doing it, and I can't imagine, that if you have to ask, that you do/will either.
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    Jenny, Im always impressed by how straightfoward you are about things like this. From what you post, I'm amazed you are successful in this I sometimes wish I could be straightfoward w/ the custys, but I've tried it, and I make about 1/2 of what I do if I insinuate that I'll go on a date after we do a vip, or that they will get a different type of dance in a room. I'm careful to just suggest, b/c anything else could get me busted or fires....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Have you considered finding a club where you don't have to do that? No, I don't do that and I wouldn't feel good about doing it, and I can't imagine, that if you have to ask, that you do/will either.

    The problem is that here..there ARE no clubs where you dont have to deal with that. South east FL is prob one of the worst places for prostitution in the clubs....in 6 yrs...i've worked a LOT of clubs here, and had to deal with it at all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    If you're working in an extras heavy environment, you are going to have to learn the art of insinuation. You will have to become the master of making them think they are going to get something, work them up, then thank them for the time and tab out.
    Yup, that's how I had to work it the second time I went to work in southern FL. I would never just outright tell them I'd blow them, jack off, whatever but what I would do is give them the whole, "well it's private and we'll be alone" talk. If they still weren't budging I'd say, "listen I'm good at what I do. I had a guy a few nights ago have me in the VIP for almost 2hrs. So obviously, he had a VERY good time with me"

    So bascially if the customer is thinking about extras after hearing about my night w/ the 2hr VIP customer, he believes he's obviously going to get something, if some other guy just spent 2hrs.







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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    The problem is that here..there ARE no clubs where you dont have to deal with that. South east FL is prob one of the worst places for prostitution in the clubs....in 6 yrs...i've worked a LOT of clubs here, and had to deal with it at all of them.
    I work at a very clean club, compared, but I still need to do it. When girls ask how I do so many vip rooms, that's what it is.... Insunuating is part of the hustle,not all, but part. I only do it as a last resort, or to guys who downright ask.... I've gone as far as to say, "Well, I can't say too much out here, there are lots of big ears, but i promise you'll have a night to remember" By saying something like this, i'm not really saying anything, but I've said a whole lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    Jenny, Im always impressed by how straightfoward you are about things like this. From what you post, I'm amazed you are successful in this I sometimes wish I could be straightfoward w/ the custys, but I've tried it, and I make about 1/2 of what I do if I insinuate that I'll go on a date after we do a vip, or that they will get a different type of dance in a room. I'm careful to just suggest, b/c anything else could get me busted or fires....
    Well, for all I know I'm making half what I'd be making if I did that. Also, keep in mind that what is not "extra" in Toronto is still kind of a lot; it's not like I'm competing with handjobs with airdances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    I work at a very clean club, compared, but I still need to do it. When girls ask how I do so many vip rooms, that's what it is.... Insunuating is part of the hustle,not all, but part. I only do it as a last resort, or to guys who downright ask.... I've gone as far as to say, "Well, I can't say too much out here, there are lots of big ears, but i promise you'll have a night to remember" By saying something like this, i'm not really saying anything, but I've said a whole lot
    Ok, so let's say you do the insinuation with a guy that is also insinuating that he wants extras...but doesn't ask outright for a hj, bj, fs, whatever.

    Once you are in the VIP, what is your preferred method of playing it out?

    I think what makes it intimidating is not having enough "fall back" plans...like a couple of mental gameplans of how to stay in there for 30 minutes or an hour and avoid all sex acts. Do you get what i am saying? Kind of like closing, if suggestive closing doesn't work, then try the pity close, etc.

    This is the kind of stuff for the stripper manual.

    I was talking to a girl about being entertaining in the VIP and she was like, "It's easy, just go to the bathroom and get a condom..." No, no, no, I am not joining the suck and fuck clique, thankyouverymuch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnie View Post
    Ok, so let's say you do the insinuation with a guy that is also insinuating that he wants extras...but doesn't ask outright for a hj, bj, fs, whatever.

    Once you are in the VIP, what is your preferred method of playing it out?

    I think what makes it intimidating is not having enough "fall back" plans...like a couple of mental gameplans of how to stay in there for 30 minutes or an hour and avoid all sex acts. Do you get what i am saying? Kind of like closing, if suggestive closing doesn't work, then try the pity close, etc.

    This is the kind of stuff for the stripper manual.

    I was talking to a girl about being entertaining in the VIP and she was like, "It's easy, just go to the bathroom and get a condom..." No, no, no, I am not joining the suck and fuck clique, thankyouverymuch.
    I play the ditz. Most guys think we're all stoopid strippers anyways, so it's easy. I've never had a guy in the room ask, b/c the curtain is alays pulled back so it's open. (thank G-d) But if he does say something like 'I thought the curtains would be closed" I'll say "Oh, we can't do that, I'd loose my job! You wouldn't want that, would you? And it's safer for the girls this way" If the guy pushes it, I say "well, you could ask the vip host (a huge guy!) and it's fine with me if it's fine w/ him " he's say no, of course. (hehe)

    Then I change the topic, ask about him, w/ev, and after a song or 2 I say, well, I'm ready to dance for you, think you can handle it?" I'll dance a song or 2, then sit untill you can tell the guy is getting antsy, then I'll dance again. I try to time it out so that I'm dancing at thee end of our time, so he's more likely to continue.

    Also, when we go into the vip rooms, the vip host comes in, says he takes the $$$, and tells the rules " no contact (12 inches) when she's naked" have fun" So it's not like I'm going to get ripped off or w/ev.

    Most of my vips (at least 8/10) have a great time, and aren't the least bit disappointed. Thew others were stupid/to drunk to care/ or had an ok time.

    and if someone is intollerable (very rude, agressive, or makes me afraid) I'm allowed, and encouraged, to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnie View Post
    Once you are in the VIP, what is your preferred method of playing it out?
    See, there you hit the problem of dealing with Mr. Octopus hands until you just can't take it anymore and cut the dances short. It's tough no matter how you cut it. Basically, if you work in a club where there are alot of extras going on and you aren't doing the extra's... you're probably not going to make the money the other girls are getting and, although the guys who regularly frequent that club will figure it out, you're going to constantly deal with guys who have heard the reputation on that club and will try something with you.

    But... I guess tips to drag it out... Giggling and telling them to "be patient" sometimes works for me. It makes them think that they'll get something after a certain number of dances... when they don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnie View Post

    I was talking to a girl about being entertaining in the VIP and she was like, "It's easy, just go to the bathroom and get a condom..." No, no, no, I am not joining the suck and fuck clique, thankyouverymuch.


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    I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE SAID THAT TO YOU!
    Oh thank goodness...I was really starting to think I was the weird one, just for being in the minority. I guess it has been a tough week at the office.

    I was so bummed out last week when I was talking to a custie that I always enjoy talking to, he's interesting, worldly, educated and just fun to hang out with at the club. And then he got drunk and admitted his full on extras experience. I was so disappointed!!! I try not to judge but I obviously think way less of him...but I'll still squeeze every penny i can out of him, lol.


    But then my club sent me to go-go dance at a party over the weekend, my first, where I was wearing a regular dress with stripper boots and did not take my clothes off. At first I was like, umm, what am I supposed to do. But seriously, I think my dancing was waaaay more erotic than it ever is at the club, and I had a ton of fun. But dancing for that long (1.5 hours) straight with just a short break is tough and I would rather be at the club.

    I would like to do it occassionally just as a refreshing change of pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lola Rose View Post
    If the guy pushes it, I say "well, you could ask the vip host (a huge guy!) and it's fine with me if it's fine w/ him " he's say no, of course. (hehe)
    We are DEF. going to get along!!! I do this all the time..."cant you touch it" "cant you just leave with me rightnow".....blah blah blah...

    "I'd LOVE to baby...but I cant risk being fired..a girl was JUST fired for that yesterday...but if the big guy says yes..we're ON!!

    It always amazes me how many guys will go up to the bouncer to ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    We are DEF. going to get along!!! I do this all the time..."cant you touch it" "cant you just leave with me rightnow".....blah blah blah...

    "I'd LOVE to baby...but I cant risk being fired..a girl was JUST fired for that yesterday...but if the big guy says yes..we're ON!!

    It always amazes me how many guys will go up to the bouncer to ask.
    OMg, my guys seem to know better... but some of them do ask, And the vip host always gives me a wierd look at the end of the night.... he once asked me about it... lol!!!

    I'm getting so excited for SW FEST!!! We'll have such fun

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