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    FDA Set to OK Food from Cloned Animals:

    Federal scientists have concluded there is no difference between food from cloned animals and food from conventional livestock, setting the stage for the government to declare Thursday that cloned animals are safe for the human food supply.


    UMM... It isn't a religious thing for me it is more of a health issue. I hate the meat that I get from the local grocer if it isn't organic. Can you imagine what this garbage is gonna taste like!?

    Are we having problems feeding our country or is it that farmers want more profits?

    Plus the rest of the article goes on to say that they don't even want to put labels on the meat saying it is cloned!

    Even better: How about a cloned animal pumped up with hormones!

    BTW: The government thinks we have a problem with obesity now - wait 5 years!
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    Augh. That is definitely worrisome. I wouldn't want to eat it.

    Time to go veggie again...

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    ^^^ my thoughts exactly.

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    I couldn't even imagine what sort of bastardization of mad cow something or other that could possibly give us...As much as I love my meat, I would seriuosly have to reconsider if that ever came to pass. Creepy, is all I can say!!!!

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    That's creepy. I saw it on the news today and it scared me a little. I try to get organic food whenever I go to the store, it drives my boyfriend crazy, but there are so many chemicals in everything these days. I wonder what restaurants are going to do if they can have cloned meat cheaper than 'real' meat.

    Damn sometimes I hate advances in science.

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    Cloned meat would still be real meat.

    I think the fear of this is really just the fear of the unknown or fear of something new. I honestly think it's making a big deal out of nothing. Then again I am one of those people who thinks advances in science is a fabulous thing more often than not so that may color my opinion a bit.

    I seriously doubt it will taste any different plus I understand that the meat will be leaner so the potential obesity comment is not likely if people just switch products without increasing portion size or frequency of eating it.

    I buy organics myself beause I can afford to but if I couldn't then I'd prefer cloned meat products without the extra hormones added over the ones from animals pumped up with synthetic hormones any day of the week.

    Here is a twist to consider for those freaking out about this subject.... given only the two choices would you prefer a cloned animal raised otherwise organic or a non cloned animal pumped full of hormones for your meat products?
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    ^^^ If those are my only two options, I prefer tofu.

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    My concerns are the unknown long term effects consumming a cloned producy could have on my body. I highly doubt the meat is EXACTLY the same no matter if it looks or tastes the same as the meat we have now. Im fairly convinced that at the very least there would be subtle possible relevant differencies when we look at the effect of food on the body. Just like with some of the GM crops, the differencies arnt nessesarily obvious to humans, but insects steer clear of them and theres obviously a reason for that. Well Ill be the insect and stick with what has worked well for humans since the dawn of time.
    I personally thing that raising clones animals organicly is missing the point. I would not eat that. Heh, yeah hopefully it wont come down to just those two options!



    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    Cloned meat would still be real meat.

    I think the fear of this is really just the fear of the unknown or fear of something new. I honestly think it's making a big deal out of nothing. Then again I am one of those people who thinks advances in science is a fabulous thing more often than not so that may color my opinion a bit.

    I seriously doubt it will taste any different plus I understand that the meat will be leaner so the potential obesity comment is not likely if people just switch products without increasing portion size or frequency of eating it.

    I buy organics myself beause I can afford to but if I couldn't then I'd prefer cloned meat products without the extra hormones added over the ones from animals pumped up with synthetic hormones any day of the week.

    Here is a twist to consider for those freaking out about this subject.... given only the two choices would you prefer a cloned animal raised otherwise organic or a non cloned animal pumped full of hormones for your meat products?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    ...Here is a twist to consider for those freaking out about this subject.... given only the two choices would you prefer a cloned animal raised otherwise organic or a non cloned animal pumped full of hormones for your meat products?
    Personally, I'd prefer meat cloned in a vat, which would mean you'd not have to slaughter animals anymore in order to have meat. Something I read in one of my mother's books over twenty years ago - but it still isn't possible today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yehefah
    ...If those are my only two options, I prefer tofu.
    Most soy is now genetically modified. I've seen the 85% number on too many websites now, so it probably is accurate.

    http://www.itmonline.org/arts/gmo.htm

    http://pewagbiotech.org/resources/factsheets/display.php3?FactsheetID=2

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    Thats gone beyond Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy I dont know, you hear talk about body parts being grown in labs for medical reasons, its probably not so far away. I think Id still take the veggie option though.
    I dont eat soy products either the GM factor being one of the reasons, though not the only one. I see myself possibly having to grow my own food in the future, not something I enjoy doing unfortunatly.




    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ View Post
    Personally, I'd prefer meat cloned in a vat, which would mean you'd not have to slaughter animals anymore in order to have meat. Something I read in one of my mother's books over twenty years ago - but it still isn't possible today.

    Most soy is now genetically modified. I've seen the 85% number on too many websites now, so it probably is accurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    Cloned meat would still be real meat.

    I think the fear of this is really just the fear of the unknown or fear of something new. I honestly think it's making a big deal out of nothing. Then again I am one of those people who thinks advances in science is a fabulous thing more often than not so that may color my opinion a bit.

    I seriously doubt it will taste any different plus I understand that the meat will be leaner so the potential obesity comment is not likely if people just switch products without increasing portion size or frequency of eating it.
    That's funny becuase statistics show that cloned animals have a higher rate of birth defects and deformities. Dolly the cloned sheep died after 6 years due to cancer and arthitis. My mom raises sheep and they live for MANY years; healthy and happy. My gripe is that they want to introduce the cloned animals into our food supply WITHOUT ANY SORT OF LABELS due to the fact that the MEAT INDUSTRY FEARS NO ONE WILL BUY IT!

    As for organic products, how will this be considered organic when GMOs aren't truly considered organic? Without labels, it leaves a lot of room for error and now a days, buying organic is a crap shoot. There used to be very high standards but big companies like Whole Foods get away with a lot. There are loop holes with labeling organic and the type of company someone runs. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and this sort of thing is lowering our standards for the basic fundamentals of existence which are food, water, shelter. All of these are now polluted and/or too expensive and/or for many out of reach.

    With you okaying this meat, you are agreeing to not being informed with the type/quality of food you are eating. What is the point then to having nutrition labels then? This is where it is going?

    I do agree with you that advances in science are great only when it goes to the greater good of humanity, not some jack asses wallet to doop the population into eating inferior meat. Plus the FDA is just jumping right into it - why? Probably like all of our governmental departments - KICKBACKS from investors, meat suppliers, and the rest.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaQT View Post
    FDA Set to OK Food from Cloned Animals:

    Federal scientists have concluded there is no difference between food from cloned animals and food from conventional livestock, setting the stage for the government to declare Thursday that cloned animals are safe for the human food supply.


    UMM... It isn't a religious thing for me it is more of a health issue. I hate the meat that I get from the local grocer if it isn't organic. Can you imagine what this garbage is gonna taste like!?

    Are we having problems feeding our country or is it that farmers want more profits?

    Plus the rest of the article goes on to say that they don't even want to put labels on the meat saying it is cloned!

    Even better: How about a cloned animal pumped up with hormones!

    BTW: The government thinks we have a problem with obesity now - wait 5 years!
    A clone is just a like twin, there is nothing different about a cloned, say, cow, than if two of the same animal came out at the same time.

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    That's not actually true, Mr. Hyde. Every cloned animal has died young. Its cells are not healthy cells and the animal suffers from premature aging, and it's probably more prone to disease. I would not want to eat it.

    If they want to sell cloned meat, I guess they can, but they should have to label it as such. And if it's really just as good, they should have no problem doing so. The fact that they are fighting so hard against labeling leads me to believe that they know no one wants to eat that shit.

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    ^^^ Good points!

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    I wonder where the outrage is over cloned veggies, fruit and flowers

    I do think that cloned food products should be labled as such though.... I'm all about freedom of choice and shoppers should have the right to choose it or not choose it as they see fit. Would I buy it.. maybe if it was raised in an otherwise organic fashion.

    I also think that if we turned our noses up at every advance in science life would still be in the dark ages so I am open to learning about and maybe tryingnew and interesting things.
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    A few companies have already come out saying they WON'T use cloned meat. So even if companies don't label it- they will if it's not cloned.

    My question is this- how is cloning animals more cost effective than raising them? It can't be cheap.

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    I agree that we all need to open our minds to science. However, we need to be able to have the knowledge firsthand then make educated decisions on our own.

    As per profitablity for cloning, it allows farmers to create 100s of *superior* animals in a day. Basically they take all the genes from the one or a few superior beings they want to make an exact double of, electroshock it to become alive, then inject it into many multiple beings for birthing. What is scary when you think about it, if you have exact doubles, then you allow them to reproduce, which is one of the main things the FDA is allowing, you will have mutant offsprings because there will be too small of a gene pool.

    I think you would probably have better quality meat if farmers only raised the muscle and not even create a cow (organ cloning) so at least you don't have to worry about offspring of the same DNA. Then the meat would be leaner because that would be the main focus of the cloning process.

    Thanks Tara for making me think - I just realized that most of the non-organic foods do not say if they use GMOs or not. I just assume everything is a GMO until it says it doesn't. I do get upset at the quality of veggies and fruit that are available to me along with the nutritional content.

    A lack of minerals in produce from the GMOs are more easily substituted with suppliments versus proteins which are directly correlated with meat. Plus, getting produce from independent farmers is easier to find than meat from independent places so it never totally scared me.

    The equation that is scaring me mostly:

    GMOs and vegetables and fruit loose nutritional value also as they constantly reproduce - leaving only water and fiber, nothing else (do to over farming and hydroponics.)

    Then (add)

    Eat that along with cloned meat that may or may not have reproduced with identical copies of itself.....

    What are we eating?

    Fat, water, fiber and maybe some hints of protein that doesn't have some sort of mutation?
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    I think you'll find that there is "outrage" over cloning of any food be it animal or vegetable.
    No ones suggesting that all scientific advances be rejected, obviously some are good and some are bad no matter what side of the fence you sit on. Thats why there should always be choice when it comes to individual lifestyle.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    I wonder where the outrage is over cloned veggies, fruit and flowers

    I do think that cloned food products should be labled as such though.... I'm all about freedom of choice and shoppers should have the right to choose it or not choose it as they see fit. Would I buy it.. maybe if it was raised in an otherwise organic fashion.

    I also think that if we turned our noses up at every advance in science life would still be in the dark ages so I am open to learning about and maybe tryingnew and interesting things.

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    I'm so greatful that kosher meat has strict regulations no eating cloned meat for me!

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    I wish I could afford to eat kosher meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaQT View Post
    Can you imagine what this garbage is gonna taste like!?
    Well i'd assume they won't clone the ones that taste like ass...

    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaQT View Post
    That's funny becuase statistics show that cloned animals have a higher rate of birth defects and deformities. Dolly the cloned sheep died after 6 years due to cancer and arthitis.
    The ones that have birth defects don't live long enough to be used for food. As for cancer and arthritis i'm sure those things exsist in animals currently sent to slaughter and it isn't an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    I wonder where the outrage is over cloned veggies, fruit and flowers
    Excellent point. It's actually quite common place. Grafting, which is used ALL the time with fruit trees for example, is an ancient form of cloning. If you plant a Golden Delicious apple seed, you won't get a tree that produces Golden Delicious apples. Each seed has too much genetic variability. Usually this produces a crab apple, the "mutt" of the apple world. Apple breeders must make clones of Golden Delicious, Gala or Macintosh or other specific varieties, every generation. It has less to do with genetics and more to do with influence. Rootstocks seem to switch on dormant genes already present in the scion.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaQT View Post
    FDA Set to OK Food from Cloned Animals:
    Is the discussion about meat from Cloned Animals or about food products from Clone Animals (Milk and Eggs)?

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    ^^Mainly about meat from cloned animals, but I'm sure milk and eggs fall under that umbrella too.

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    I was going to ask...most people willingly eat GMO's...

    Good point, TN.

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    THis is probably not the place, but I keep thinking about Heston- "Soylant green is peopppplllllleeee" from reading this thread...

    EGADDS! I think I'll be looking into growing my own food.


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