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    hello girls! i've been dancing for about a month now while i'm home in denver for the holidays... but i've got some tip out issues and want to make sure i'm not being stingy!

    our club policy is to tip the dj $5 min, house mom $5 min, and door guy's $5 min for walking us to our cars/cab, whatever.

    i have some issues with one of our house moms... i think she's really rude. i rarely use the house mom- and i never use her, for reasons below... i'm self sufficient in the club, i do my own hair, make up, and bring my own food. i asked one of the other house mom's (just to be safe) what typical tip out was, and she said the $5 and anything else is up to us--- like if they cook and we eat it, give em some extra. so i'm fine with that, she's said it's ok, and all the house mom's are really cool with the exception of the one (there are 4 total working different nights). i actually take advantage of the 3 that i like, i eat their great cooking, and chat with them, but the one, we shall call her mamacita... she's a bit greedy i think... i get the vibe and always have from her that she feels that she's entitled to more than her $5 from me(and all the girls for that matter), when she doesn't do ANYTHING for me! and i specifically make sure that i don't use her b/c i get that vibe from her.

    so the last shift i worked was a double... i wasn't even supposed to be on, i stayed late from my day shift and literally walked to the locker room twice throughout the night to change. when i went to give her my tip out at the end of the night, i gave her $5... her response?! " oh... just the minimum huh?" WTF!?!?! i was livid! but i kept my cool and simply said yes, you know, i didn't really use your services tonight... and left it at that. she gave me nasty looks the rest of the night and i actually felt guilty!!

    i typically give the dj above the min, but again, i'm with some girls in the $10 range, unless he had to be particularly accomodating for me, and i almost always give the door guys at least $7-10- unless my night is awesome and i'll hook them up even more. but the house mom? i feel stingy, but i work hard for the money i make, and i don't like the idea of having to give it to some woman who sits in the locker room and talks to her boyfriend on the phone the whole night.

    sorry to vent, but is this bad? i'm only at the club for one more month until i go back overseas, so i'm not too terribly worried about a long term impression, but i don't want to be cheap. i guess i just need some validation... am i thinking the right way, or should i step up and start shelling out more?

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    im probably the worse person to respond to this post.
    i am australian and thankful for our non-tipping culture.
    i hate tipping, i tip no-one.
    i think it's the shittest concept ever invented - i mean if they want a certain amount of money just make that the price! that would get rid of all the bullshit.
    when i go to restaurants i pay my bill and they get nothing for a tip not a dime!
    i know this will sound terrible to the americans on here as your culture is very based on tipping but here in australia we aren't really into tipping - it is becoming more common though.

    if this bitch is rude enough to say "oh just the minimum eh?" id be giving her an ear-full, tell her if it wasn't the policy u would give her any money whatsoever coz she is a bitch. haha.

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    jaizaine-
    that's funny... i seriously thought about saying something like that to her... if she pulls it again i might have to say that... of course i'll just say in a sweet way... i can be fake so as not to burn bridges for next year...

    so this is a question for you... i don't dance when i'm living in australia. i'm there for grad school and my time is a bit tied up. i am however thinking about it to help out for this next semester. how in the world do you girls make any money there!? if no one tips... are you paid hourly? retaining fees? (i just figured out what those were!)

    i won't do full nude, and i really like the no contact or limited one way contact thing, and the few places i've been to in the Cross in Syd scared me off dancing all together there, but really... is the money simply in the private dances? and what is expected in those?

    just curious!

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    Dude, i have one house mom that is the same way. She rubs me the wrong way, is only alert if she is on drugs, almost passed out if not. And when she is awake, she is always hustling me, now that I think about it, its probably because I am one of the few she can't sell drugs to. So I am a "hard sell" and she's got stick to the sandwiches and clothes.

    Oh, my extras housemom, I only ever give her the minimum and she knows why. But the other housemom I like and I tip her double and try to buy stuff from her whenever I can.

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    Notradaya I dance in melbourne and we don't get an hourly rate or retainer. Guys pay for either a table dance or a private dance. When I say it's a no tipping culture i mean in regards to everything - restaurants, services and even dancing. At SC's guys generally will not tip u on stage unless they are buying a table dance. You get the occasional guy who tips but it's not very common.
    So the money is made from selling dances. We charge $20 for a one-song table dance and for private dances we charge $20 per song or $50 for 3-songs.

    I work at a full-nude club and all of the clubs in melbourne are full-nude. the lights are really dark though so it's not as bad as u might think.
    There is no-contact at all. It's an air dance. We are not allowed to sit on the customer's lap, our boobs may not make contact with their face and we are not allowed to straddle them. Some other clubs in melbourne are not as strict on the contact so you need to find a club that you are comfortable working in.
    Maybe some of the other australian girls on here can help you with some info about clubs that aren't full-nude, I don't know of any though.

    Im not sure about the contact level in sydney as I have never worked there or been to a SC there. I believe that there is some contact at the clubs in queensland.

    Hope that helps.

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    thanks jai... i will post a new thread to get some more info on that... there is only once club that i know of in syd that is topless... it's a nice one too, so that's good.

    you know the funny thing is that i love the no tipping there. although you see more and more places with the tip jars out. sometimes i give some love, but only if i was really happy with the service. i guess it was some karma sowing... i bartended while i was there for the last year, and while i never expected to get tipped, it was always really nice when it did happen. i could average around $120 in a weekend just working Fri and Sat night at a hotel in the CBD... not bad considering we got paid casual rates as bartenders, and that always was a little higher on the weekends. but the tips, they were always a bonus, and i never expected them. perks of the job! maybe i'll stick to bartending, won't have to get naked for that!!

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    sunnie... thats an interesting point about the hustling house mom... who woulda thought they were hustling too?! but now that you put it that way, i'm sure that goes on a bit! Any house mom's on here? wanna share your opinions? thanks ladies!

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    Notradaya,
    Can you tell the managers about her behaviour? Maybe that would help you out a little...
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    I tip minimum unless people hook me up/ do something special for me. Also, do a search there is a pretty long, diverse thread on this somewhere...

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    I always tip minimun unless they're really really nice to me or if the hook me up.

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    I always tip the people I work with well. Usually $20 each (sometimes more to my dj, since I'm a picky bitch and like my music set, and lighting a certain way). Keeps me in good standing with them, which is good when/if $hit hits the fan.
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    I wouldn't bother giving her more than the minimum. This really makes me appreciate our housemom who won't even take money from me if I stay overtime (only nightshift has to tip her out)
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    we have 4 housemoms and one I absolutely hate and I am the same way as you with her.

    She's a day housemom so fortunately I don't have to see her much.

    All she does is sit there and do her on-line hookups. Rarely brings snacks. It was a busy day football game so I worked on her shift. She brought no food and when the night housemom came, I ate a ton of her snacks. So I remember leaving and giving the night housemom a tip, "I'm leaving, but I ate a lot of your food, so I wanted to tip you" and nothing to the day housemom. She was livid! But whatever

    Now we have min tipouts to the housemom of $5. That's all she'll ever get from me. I am not cheap, but I'm not paying someone to sit there like a dumbass (and she's got a bad attitude to boot.)

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    I tip the minimum amount, unless I make over $600. Tipping the minimum is usually more than 10% of my nightly income, and that's fine with me. I don't think that tipping more necessarily gets you in better with some people. I tipped a nasty house mom at least $20 for each shift when the minimum was $10, but she still accused me of stealing when there was a girl with $500 missing from her locker. She was never my "friend." Luckily there were videos in the dressing room, so I knew that I would eventually be proven innocent. I do know that the DJ appreciates when I tip more than minimum. One DJ on the east coast used to say "classy" when I would always tip him a 20.

    You would think that the clubs could just add the tips we are required to give the bouncers, DJs, and house moms to our stage fees and pay them better or something, but a tipping system creates the possibility that we'll get nice and give them more. When girls have good nights ($600-1000), they are likely to tip many more times the minimum.

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    Sad Hate your house mom's?!?!

    Didn't know dancers were so unhappy with their house moms!!

    I'm a retired dancer and the gentleman's club my fiancé DJ's at needs a house mom a few nights week and I am planning on accepting the job on top of my normal full time day job.

    I've been dancing 3+ years and I've had some clubs with house mom's and some clubs without. I've had good house mom's and bad bitchy house moms. The minimum to tip your house mom in Atlanta is normally $7. Fee's are normally $7 to house mom, $10 or 10% to DJ, and $25 in house fee's- dancers keep the rest.

    I normally tipped the bitchy house mom $7, but if I had several VIP's and she knew it, I felt guilty to give her at least $20. (She did have baby wipes or hair spray or something when I needed it.) The nice house mom I loved, I'd always give at least $10 to, even if I was only leaving with like.. $30. Because she was always there for me, had the normal toiletries- lending a listening ear when I needed to vent, and always had gum and little *chocolates!* She was always there with a g-string if I needed one, and a couple cute outfits for sale.

    I'm sorry all you girls have some crappy house mom's!!

    I'm trying to see it from both sides- granted, I know you girls work hard for your money, but just like you- most house mom's don't get paid hourly, only your tips.

    And in Atlanta, it's not uncommon to only have about 2-10 dancers for a shift. So sometimes, for an 8 hour shift.. if you only give her that minimum of (for example) $7.. then she's going home with anywhere from $14-$70. That's pretty crappy! lol.. so if you like your house mom, and you've had a good night- I say cut her some slack and throw that woman a $20!!

    If you girls have any advice you'd like to throw my way about what you'd like your house mom to do, let me know! I love all you girlies on here.
    Thanks!!

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    Notradaya -- LOL your house mom reminds me of the one at a club I used to work at in Philly. She would NEVER bring in food...except for an occasional bowl filled with bite-sized candy bars and/or peppermints. She was also a gossip mongrel and would even talk behind the backs of girls that were friendly to her. She too would always bitch about only getting the minimum.

    She had more than a few spats with my friend "June" about this. June was a top earner, but she did not like tipping the housemom more than necessary because she felt that they were already making a decent wage for doing barely anything at all(at that club, they raised the house fee an extra $5/shift and gave that money to the house mom because the house mom was bitching about not making as much as she wanted). One time(I wasn't there, but June told me about this!), the housemom was bitching to her about how she never tipped extra, so June took a $1 bill outta her money bag and threw it down, saying "There ya go." Naturally, the house mom responded with, "I don't need or want your dollar." So June shot back, "Then why did you complain that I was only tipping the minimum?!" LOL. Personally, I didn't have any problems with the housemom, but I do admit that she was a little snooty and gossiped about the employees way too much!

    By the way, NYchaos99...I like the dog in your avatar! So cute! What kind of breed is that?

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    I am probably biased, because I am a house mom baby. Literally, the house mom brushes my hair, puts it up in pigtails, makes me snacks, listens to me bitch, fizes my broken jewlery, sews my clothes and does my laundry. So, she's getting 20 bucks from me, more if I have a good night.

    That said, I did stop tipping one house mom who shall remain nameless (well, I started tipping her less) because I ran into her out once and another girl and I ran up to her like, "Mom! Hi!!!" and I could tell she was totally and completely embarassed by us and not wanted to be associated with us. Okay, we were at Rubios (an upscale taco bell) wearing sweat pants and tee shirts, it's not like we were all trampy or anything. And she hurt my feelings.

    I guess if someone is being rude to you, don't tip them as much. That being said, house mom's work hard and take a lot of shit. So does everyone in the club. Is it really worth saving yourself an extra 15 bucks at the end of the night to get everyone annoyed with you and thinking your cheap? This might be a kiss ass move on my part, but for that small amount of money I would rather be liked and keep the peace.

    Plus, you never know when you might need someone to do you a favor. It's best not to burn any bridges.

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    I tip just enough to those I cant stand or those I didnt use the services of.

    I like all of our housemoms., they fix food for everyone and go out of their way to provide snacks and stuff. So on good nights I tip 20. Otherwise its 10 or 15 depending on how the night went.

    Now, for awhile i felt shamed if I made all my money in the champagne room and nothing on the floor ( we tip out the champagne room seperately from the managers )

    Then I realized they never said thank you or seemed appreciative that i was tipping extra.

    So i would tip something to the management , I dont now. Fuck that I pay usually 100 bucks just to work, which they get right off the bat.

    A lot of these people that work in this industry use manipultian to get tips out of us. Which is the fucking fact.

    Many house moms use to be dancers, they have game too ...believe me.

    I tip out what's to be tipped. The only ones that ever act like its a big production is ONE dj

    I'd like to beat his fat ass . I use to tip him out well, until he tried to get me to find him drugs ( I shit you not. ) for whatever reason., because him and I arent close like that. and i dont do fucking drugs?! so I found it super odd..and suspcious, one night I did super good at work and he wanted more than 20 ( btw we just tip them what we want..and almost all girls no matter what they make tip that much ..20 ) after all if im in the vip room all night im not using his services.

    He really did look at me and go " is that it " and have the fucking nerve to bring it up a week later to me. Dude go fuck your fucking self. Asshole.

    Once people cross me, they will not get extra loot from me FUCK THAT>

    People dont tip waitresses or even dancers that arent appreciative or nice..so why should I?

    So you are in the right in how you are handling your house mom imo or at least not odd in it.

    we can all relate

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    I understand paying her for the security of yourbelongings in the dressing room, but you and her both know that she does absolutely nothing else for you. Maybe start using some of her stuff (even though you don't need to) so at least you feel the $ you give her is worthwhile.
    I had a housemom tell me standard tip w/o using her stuff is $7 and as I gave her $7 she told me I owe her $10 and reminded me that I sprayed her deoderant. One frigging squirt..and the funny thing is that I had 3 different kinds in my bag!!! I only used it b/c I happened to see it walking by and it's habit to put it on. She also said she wasn't responsible for my belongings so she got $10 for one spray of deoderant lol!

    Don't allow her to intimidate you into tipping her for anything you do not feel she deserves rightfully. It sounds like you are fair with everyone so be fair with her too.

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    When someone complains say, "Impress me and I'll impress you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhillyDancer1982 View Post

    By the way, NYchaos99...I like the dog in your avatar! So cute! What kind of breed is that?
    That's my dog- well, at least he was. I had him in college and gave him to my parents when I moved to NYC. I got him from a breeder in South Carolina. He's 60% husky, and 40% timberwolf and coyote. I know, crazy. He's the sweetest and smartest mushy dog ever! The breeder had all sorts of wolf/coyote/husky/malamute mixes. Great dogs. I recommend them, if you have the time AND the space. They don't like apartments. But they are the most wonderful mixes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guenevere View Post
    So you tipped up to $20 because sometimes you might use a spritz of hairspray or a baby wipe??? What do your VIPs have to do with how much a housemom deserves from you?

    I think the problem with having a house mom is that some girls just do not use their services. It's like throwing money into the trash at the end of the night. I don't have a problem with it if other girls want the house mom or use her but I don't think it should be mandatory for everyone to tip them. And I really hate the attitude about under tipping that they get. Hey, it's like dancing, if you don't like what you're making don't do it anymore!!!
    Oh man, you said it! I totally agree with you, word for word.
    Why is it mandatory to tip the housemom? It isn't mandatory to tip the entertainers! We EARN that tip. As should the housemom- and if you want to make more (just like dancers) you need to work at it more. And (just like dancers) a bad attitude will get you NO WHERE.
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