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    Last weekend I went out with the boys. We stopped into a local stip club, and I proceeded to get a VIP dance. When the Dancer was offering, I told her I only had 40bucks in cash. She said no problem, we take Credit Cards. I went up to the bar and paid $300 for a 30 minute dance. The recipt came up at $360. The person told me (after the fact) that there was a 20% charge for using a credit card. We then went up for the dance. We walked up stairs at 1:15. The dance was good, but at 1:32 (17 minutes later), The guy walked up and said the dance was over, and would i like to buy another. I told him I still have atleast 10 minutes. He said not according to the sheet downstairs, and he walked away.

    Once I got downstairs I complained about both the Credit card charges, and the dance being cut short. He offered me some free passes, but thats about it. I want a partial if not full refund as I paid for services (a 30 minute dance) that was not delivered.

    Should I dispute the charges with my credit card company, or write a letter to the clubs management. Any ideas would be helpful.

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    You weren't by chance in JAX Fl where you? I was still disputing cc charges I paid for drinks down there!

    It happens man, and it REALLY sucks. But remember to ALWAYS ask the questions, you're out what appears to be maybe 140 bucks?

    Trust me, I know that blows. That's a lot of money, but it's more work to get it back, I'd just not give that establishment any more of my business.
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    as far as the % charge, did they make you sign a receipt? if the receipt had the charges detailed on it, and you signed it, there isn't much you can do about it. mast is right about it being more trouble than it's worth. the 10 minute thing is going to be really hard to dispute. it's basicaly your word against theirs. if you really want to, i would call and talk to the club manager or owner about it. if you sound professional, they might be willing to work something out. there's a big chance you won't get anywhere with it.. and in that case i'd just cut my losses and never go there again.

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    You learned a relatively inexpensive lesson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    You learned a relatively inexpensive lesson.
    Don't use a CC in a club ??

    By carrying large amounts of cash, though, it makes you an even bigger target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneijoe View Post
    Don't use a CC in a club ??

    By carrying large amounts of cash, though, it makes you an even bigger target.

    Just dont go back to any club that rips you off. Always ask about any charges on your CC and double check the receipt before you sign it.

    Just a question...but were you doing anything in the VIP that might have made the dancer or bouncer mad?I've cut short dances and champagne rooms when a guy got out of hand, and I've had bouncers do it in my honor as well.

    Not saying you did anything, but just making sure.You prob werent since they tried to make it up with free passes.

    If you were completley following the rules and not doing or saying naything inappropriate...yep...call the manager, tell him what happened and that neither you or any of your friends will be back unless you are fairly compensated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post

    Just a question...but were you doing anything in the VIP that might have made the dancer or bouncer mad?I've cut short dances and champagne rooms when a guy got out of hand, and I've had bouncers do it in my honor as well.

    Nope - A perfect gentleman. She actually commented on how I was "Too Well" behaved. I think I will call them

    Any other suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    You weren't by chance in JAX Fl where you? I was still disputing cc charges I paid for drinks down there!

    Nope - Choice in Downtown Minneapolis, MN

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneijoe View Post
    Don't use a CC in a club ??

    By carrying large amounts of cash, though, it makes you an even bigger target.
    The cash may make you a target but it doesn't make you a victim. That's a customer's choice, not a dancer's.
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    aside from the credit card issue, some clubs cut the vip times short by a lot. at my club i know they always cut them short unless the dancer actually requests for it to be the full lenght, sometimes because she knows the customer will keep track or he's her regular or whatevr reason. the club's reasoning for this is that they want the guy to buy another one and if the time's up quicker, he's nore likely to buy more time since time just flew by. believe it or not, i'd say about 95% of customers never notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneijoe View Post
    By carrying large amounts of cash, though, it makes you an even bigger target.
    Not if they don't know you have large amounts of cash.

    A few lessons to learn here...

    1. Never, never, never use plastic in a SC.
    2. Never go into a VIP/champagne room if you don't understand how it works.
    3. Never go for the lump sum on a particular dancer unless you've had enough single dances with her on the floor first.
    4. Always, always ask questions on exactly what you'll be getting before you hand over the money.
    5. If the club/dancer can't give you a straight answer on #4, then don't buy.
    6. The maxim "you get what you pay for" seldom if ever applies in a SC.

    This is precisely why I don't buy time block VIPs. Your experience simply exemplifies my point that guys who DO buy these things are not treated like top shelf clientele, but more often as the most gullible suckers.

    Hope this doesn't turn you off a future potential customer, but yeah there are some sharks out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    Not if they don't know you have large amounts of cash.

    A few lessons to learn here...

    1. Never, never, never use plastic in a SC.
    2. Never go into a VIP/champagne room if you don't understand how it works.
    3. Never go for the lump sum on a particular dancer unless you've had enough single dances with her on the floor first.
    4. Always, always ask questions on exactly what you'll be getting before you hand over the money.
    5. If the club/dancer can't give you a straight answer on #4, then don't buy.
    6. The maxim "you get what you pay for" seldom if ever applies in a SC.

    This is precisely why I don't buy time block VIPs. Your experience simply exemplifies my point that guys who DO buy these things are not treated like top shelf clientele, but more often as the most gullible suckers.

    Hope this doesn't turn you off a future potential customer, but yeah there are some sharks out there.
    Oh my gosh! I think I met a guy who read like #3 the last time I worked. And I was completely mystified because he was all "I want to try you out down here first" and I was all "What? Try me out? Like how? Why?" And he was all "I just want to try out the $10 dances first." And I was all "But you can't even touch me for $10. It's a whole different animal. Why would you want to that? You're just wasting $15 - okay, whatever, your money." And you know - at the end - he wished he still had that $15 and really regretted buying that first non-contact dance. That was like 3/4 of a real dance he could have bought at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    The cash may make you a target but it doesn't make you a victim. That's a customer's choice, not a dancer's.
    Yoda is spot on. Leaving you card (and possibly your ID) with the bartender or waitress while you are buying round after round etc is plain setting yourself up to get ripped off. My club takes plastic but for cash advances only. Even with the 10% surcharge you dealing with a finite amount of money and you can count it on the spot. When it's gone it's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikemn View Post
    Should I dispute the charges with my credit card company, or write a letter to the clubs management. Any ideas would be helpful.
    You can dispute the charges with your credit card company. Follow the formal complaint process outlined in your bill. File a written complaint to fully preserve your rights to pursue the dispute. Tell them you paid for X amount of time, but received less. In other words, you didn't get the full services you paid for. If you signed off on the surcharge, I don't know that you can dispute that, but explain exactly what the charges were and ask the company if the surcharge amount is permissible under their policies.

    Of course, it's your word against the club's, but hey, it'll hold up the payment for awhile while the company investigates and there won't be any interest charged on it until it's resolved. Who knows, the club may have received lots of other complaints, meaning the company will be more inclined to believe you. If you lose, you lose. And of course, never show your face again in that club (for your own health and welfare). Oh, and this assumes you don't mind formally going on record as disputing a STRIP CLUB charge.

    Personally, I wouldn't go to the trouble. Lesson learned, go where there's better customer service.

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    Do not use credit cards in SC unless withdrawing money from the ATM machine. If you don't have the cash stay out of a SC. Dancers and waitstaff might not tell you the straight of VIP, CPR costs - you may need to get a manager to get the real price. I don't pay lump sums up front or anything else for that matter.

    Don't put money upfront for services not performed or ss like they gotta tip the dj or tip the dj to take them off the floor. Remember, if a girl becomes unavailable for dances, entertainment, there are plenty of others waiting to step in. Never, ever let a dancer pressure into giving some big loan / advance with a load of ss. Their probs are their concern, not yours. If she really needs money that bad then why is she not offering the dances at half price? Walk away if need be - it takes will power and a really good hustler can drain you wallet fast.
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    If you paid with a credit card, you can call the credit card company and report the amount in dispute (what you consider it to be). I would make the complaint as generic as possible (e.g., you paid for a belly dancer perhaps). The credit card company will do what is called a charge-back for the amount in dispute and investigate the matter. The company will most likely accept the chargeback and not contest it. This is the power of credit cards. For the amount in question, there is very little the bar owner will be able to do about it. I hope this helps.

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    A few lessons to learn here...

    1. Never, never, never use plastic in a SC.
    2. Never go into a VIP/champagne room if you don't understand how it works.
    3. Never go for the lump sum on a particular dancer unless you've had enough single dances with her on the floor first.
    4. Always, always ask questions on exactly what you'll be getting before you hand over the money.
    5. If the club/dancer can't give you a straight answer on #4, then don't buy.
    6. The maxim "you get what you pay for" seldom if ever applies in a SC.

    This is precisely why I don't buy time block VIPs. Your experience simply exemplifies my point that guys who DO buy these things are not treated like top shelf clientele, but more often as the most gullible suckers.
    This is the best advice I have ever read on SC's. It should posted outside each SC for newbies.
    Doc is absolutely right-most clubs figure us (men/customers) to be drunk suckers. Always always always ask before pay. Cash or CC.
    Is this a small club (less than 20~15 dancers)? Those are the ones you really need to be careful at.
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