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    Default If you once supported the Iraq war and now don't- why?

    I have noticed lately that several site members who were very pro Iraq war two years ago now say they oppose the war. A similar trend can be seen in public opinion polls as well. This got me wondering what the individual reasons people have for the about face of opinion.

    So if you once supported invasion and combat in Iraq and now oppose it please post why and when you had a change of heart.
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    Default Re: If you once supported the Iraq war and now don't- why?

    I still support the War in Iraq.

    For one reason. The presence of Troops in Iraq give the Militant Fundamentalists with a real huge Hate on for Western culture a Hard Target to focus on.

    It is the World against Militant Radical Islam. We can pass blame back and forth going back 800 years however it doesn't take away from todays danger. Islam itself is fine by me. To each their own and I hope this brings them joy. Wahabbism however and the brand of Shia coming out of Iran is dangerous with the Council of Clerics in place there.

    So with a Coalition of Troops (Australian, American, Polish, British, and several others) those Wahabbi inspired forces are contained or distracted away from Civilians elsewhere in the World.

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    We're in Iraq purely for imperialist control reasons. If it makes you feel better that we are "protecting" our citizens and our way of life, so be it. You can be another one of the brainwashed masses.

    As a pacifist by ideal, I don't support war, but as a realist, I do support us kicking ass and dominating the world, so I don't have a clear response to this thread. I am politically bipolar, hahaha.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    We're in Iraq purely for imperialist control reasons. If it makes you feel better that we are "protecting" our citizens and our way of life, so be it. You can be another one of the brainwashed masses.

    As a pacifist by ideal, I don't support war, but as a realist, I do support us kicking ass and dominating the world, so I don't have a clear response to this thread. I am politically bipolar, hahaha.......
    LOL Katrine is worth her weight in gold. I want to see her let loose on "The McLaughlin Group".


    I supported the war until I realized it was illegal (the "WMDs" were imaginary.) I keep hoping military intelligence has some big secret that will be declassified at some point in the future & will make the present situation make sense.

    I hope.

    Most of all, I regret supporting the war because it literally hit close to home. One of my sister's friends was killed in 2003 (near Fallujah, Iraq) & my brother's former National Guard captain was killed a year ago (also in Iraq). Without going into much detail, witnessing the grief and loss of their families has made me very angry & regretful that I supported the war. There was a factor of opportunism used by the Bush Administration after 9/11. BUT as a friend pointed out, "Americans wanted blood after 9/11." (Incidentally, Special Forces soldier Pat Tillman, a war fatality in Afghanistan, did not support the war in Iraq.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    We're in Iraq purely for imperialist control reasons. If it makes you feel better that we are "protecting" our citizens and our way of life, so be it. You can be another one of the brainwashed masses.

    As a pacifist by ideal, I don't support war, but as a realist, I do support us kicking ass and dominating the world, so I don't have a clear response to this thread. I am politically bipolar, hahaha.......
    if the War in Iraq was for "Imperialist Control reasons" (Lenin must love his phrases are still in use) then why is Oil so expensive? Why is Baghdad not a smoking hole in the ground? Why not use the Carrier Battlegroups in the Mediterranean and the Persian gulf to extract a tribute from OPEC in a billion barrels a day? certainly possible.


    The second bit just gives me a chuckle.

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    Default Re: If you once supported the Iraq war and now don't- why?

    well failure does that to people. Most people think the US is losing the war and it becomes more difficult to support a war if you think your side is losing.

    Also the rationale presented at the beginning of the war is no longer relevant. WMD's are not an issue and taking out Saddam is not an issue, so there is a different rationale now (Islamic fundamentalists- sunni and shiite), with its own logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    if the War in Iraq was for "Imperialist Control reasons" (Lenin must love his phrases are still in use) then why is Oil so expensive? Why is Baghdad not a smoking hole in the ground? Why not use the Carrier Battlegroups in the Mediterranean and the Persian gulf to extract a tribute from OPEC in a billion barrels a day? certainly possible.


    The second bit just gives me a chuckle.
    Imperialism was around before Lenin. Besides, Lenin didn't do squat, Stalin built the empire.

    We can do what you just said because it would piss off the rest of the world even more. Ideally, this would already have been done though. But the world, and the Iraqies havn't taken too kindly to our invasion. Once again, I don't think this is a war for oil. We're not in a position to release ourselves from the bondage of the Saudi Royal Family.

    Just to note, I don't spend my days and nights reading political blogs. I am not going to have a debate about this.

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    Default Re: If you once supported the Iraq war and now don't- why?

    I'm torn about this.

    I probably shouldn't even be responding, as I realize that I'm not answering your question at all. But I will say that I 110% support our men and women that are in various parts of the middle east fighting in this war.






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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    if the War in Iraq was for "Imperialist Control reasons" (Lenin must love his phrases are still in use) then why is Oil so expensive? Why is Baghdad not a smoking hole in the ground? Why not use the Carrier Battlegroups in the Mediterranean and the Persian gulf to extract a tribute from OPEC in a billion barrels a day? certainly possible.


    The second bit just gives me a chuckle.
    Because the countries whom we are importing oil from do not set the prices.

    The war is a whole load of horseshit. It always was, always will be. Bush and company should be impeached.

    But, that's just MHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    Because the countries whom we are importing oil from do not set the prices.

    The war is a whole load of horseshit. It always was, always will be. Bush and company should be impeached.

    But, that's just MHO.

    Of Course they are! Those countries are members of OPEC.


    The rest of that is like the passengers trying to take control from the pilot in an emergency.

    Do you believe because you watch CNN and You Tube that you are more informed than The President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff? (*edited *This is harsher than intended just take it to mean I want you to challenge your assumptions)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Do you believe because you watch CNN and You Tube that you are more informed than The President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
    Actually, I believe that since I can READ and I am coherent in speaking, that I am more intelligent than the President. But, this is a different issue entirely. I do not give a whole lot of faith into someone who has repeatedly lied and stolen from me. I find it amusing that you think just because he's your "President" that he is intelligent or "well-informed"...of which I find he is neither. How can you support someone who puts the well-being of his constituents on the back burner as long as he can make money? A man who has lied repeatedly about WHY we're going to war with another country...and a man who has done what he can to get his business buddies lucrative contracts?

    This war wasn't started to stop the reign of terror. It was started to line the pockets of the contractors who are over there.

    Us being over there is not making the terrorists shake in their boots...its making us bigger targets and giving them more ammo to use against us. To think differently is foolish.

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    As a proud and supportive military wife, I can say I support my husband and his men for the job that they have to do.. but I don't have to like it or agree with it...

    Wasn't it Bush that said back in 2003- "America- go back to your lives"... its no wonder no one really feels connected to anything, although I give you first hand accounts of what it feels like to be affected.

    Bash the war, but support our men who are over there.. some of them feel just as lost about it as we do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post

    This war wasn't started to stop the reign of terror. It was started to line the pockets of the contractors who are over there.

    Us being over there is not making the terrorists shake in their boots...its making us bigger targets and giving them more ammo to use against us. To think differently is foolish.

    DING DING DING!!! As a wife and sister to people in the military I explain my opinion on this war very simply. I support the troops no matter what part of the world they are in, but this war is utter bullshit. There were guys that got shipped to Iraq to die because our President LIED to them. We are still over there going on 4 years later and Iraq is still in chaos. It pisses me off, but that's another thread...

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    ^ I just want to know if/when your SO's get a bill from the army charging them for their rations while they were deployed. ?

    I will always support our soldiers...but I will never support this war. The death toll of our soldiers is now 3100+...MORE than the total for the WTC 9/11. Pretty bad.

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    ^^My guy didn't get a bill, but he was a Marine, don't know if that makes a difference or not. I would have flipped out over that, and his higher up's didn't like me to start with, so I could've done it and not felt bad about it.

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    Default Re: If you once supported the Iraq war and now don't- why?

    well here are my random assorted points.

    1. Iraq never attacked or threatened to attack the US

    2. Iraq (along with Iran) was one the few countries in the Middle East that actively opposed the US

    3. Saw a study a while ago. Something like in 90%+ of suicide attacks against the US (ignoring Iraq), the places the bombers came from had US troops stationed there. Having foreign troops on your soil seems to annoy people.

    4. I think one possible ignored rationale for invading Iraq: it was a face saving to leave Saudi Arabia (Osama's biggest complaint). The US was in Saudi to protect it from Iraq.


    The obvious answer to your question is reality. It's not going well.

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