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    People overwhelmingly support two of the Democrats' top goals - increasing the minimum wage and making it easier to buy prescription drugs from other countries - as the party takes control of Congress for the first time in a dozen years.

    By a smaller margin, the public also favors relaxing restrictions on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, a third issue Democrats have promised to tackle during their first 100 hours in charge.




    The poll showed:

    80% favor raising min. wage

    56% support easing restrictions on using federal money to pay for research on embryonic stem cells

    69 % favor making it easier for people to buy prescription drugs from outside the U.S.

    The poll was taken on Dec. 19-21 by Ipsos and the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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    If we can get drugs from other countries that are just as effective as the ones here in the US, why wouldn't somebody support that? My medications are through the roof, but in other parts of the world they are a fraction of the cost. As long as they are the same drug I'm happy to save some money each month.

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    I still can't believe some people don't support stem cell research. C'mon people, its fucking medical progress that will help YOUR family be healthier!! Geez........

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    Default Re: Public Opinion shows overwhelmingly support of Democrats' top goals

    So? I'm a Democrat, but what's your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie View Post
    So? I'm a Democrat, but what's your point?
    To whom is your question directed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by gingerlee View Post
    If we can get drugs from other countries that are just as effective as the ones here in the US, why wouldn't somebody support that?
    Because alot of people make money from keeping them so expensive.

    Have you seen how much there stocks have gone up since Bush has been in office? Also consider the massive tax breaks Neocons have given them and you get an dea of who opposes cheaper meds being available.... alot of big money ultra rightwingers!

    They prefer to profit off of healthcare rather than see the masses be healthyfot less profit. They'd still make profits if healthcare was cheaper but not as high of profit..... It is in their bank accounts interest to keep healthcare and meds as expensive as possible.

    It's sick , imo .... no pun intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    To whom is your question directed ?
    To you, Tigerlilly. I just don't see the point of cut and paste jobs. It's redundant and insulting to those of us who read, and for those who don't, you won't be changing their habits or beliefs anytime soon. But this is a lesson that has been lost on you for what...four years now?

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    ^ damn girl.. okey dokey... well some people DO like to discuss various topics in the news and cut and pastes w/ links are one way of bringing the subject matter up. Notice that there are other people who choose to post in this and other threads I start.... apparenty they aren't insulted by the fact that I cut n paste w/ links to start these discussions. They just see it or what it is - a factual or informative starting point for discussion.

    Also plenty of people beside me ( including a mod) do the same exact thing ALL THE TIME and I have never seen you flame them for it so ....

    If it bothers you so much why read my stuff???

    I must say I never expected a flame from you b/c I have always enjoyed reading your postings and we have had many a shared opinion in the past, maybe you never noticed?

    Oh well. I now know the positive feelings I have about your postings is hardly mutual. Please consider adding me to your ignore list. All the best you anyway
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    This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You've got some strange kind of obsessive-compulsive disorder about this board, and your paper-thin skin leads you to take everything as a personal insult. You don't debate; you become hysterical and resort to personal insults or threaten to sue (yawn). In case you hadn't noticed, this is a website about strippers. It isn't the Wall Street Journal or the Guardian. The readership here isn't exactly....um, shall we say, balanced. And most people, yourself included, aren't open to differing opinions. The Talk Politics section of , a site with a global, educated readership, had to be shut down because - guess what! - it was so nasty it was impossible to moderate.

    You're lonely and unhappy. So why don't you do something productive with your time, like volunteer for a cause you believe in? This changing your names five million times, and the whining and histrionics is not healthy at all, and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie View Post
    This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You've got some strange kind of obsessive-compulsive disorder about this board, and your paper-thin skin leads you to take everything as a personal insult. You don't debate; you become hysterical and resort to personal insults or threaten to sue (yawn). In case you hadn't noticed, this is a website about strippers. It isn't the Wall Street Journal or the Guardian. The readership here isn't exactly....um, shall we say, balanced. And most people, yourself included, aren't open to differing opinions. The Talk Politics section of , a site with a global, educated readership, had to be shut down because - guess what! - it was so nasty it was impossible to moderate.

    You're lonely and unhappy. So why don't you do something productive with your time, like volunteer for a cause you believe in? This changing your names five million times, and the whining and histrionics is not healthy at all, and you know it.
    Paper thin skin? That's funny consdering what site Neocons have said and done to me over the years including saying both my head and my child should have our heads chopped off for not supporting Bush- she was absolulty serious too! I've been called every name in the book for not supporting their Neocon positions. I've been mocked and personaly attacked.... thin skinned is not a good description for me, LOL ! Passionate and hard headed well that I won't argue against

    But you are entitled to your opinions.

    However I must correct you on one thing. I am not lonely or unhappy. Also I do volunteer my time for causes on a regular basis and have done so for many years. In fact, I just helped another member connect with The Carter Center as a starting point b/c she wanted to do some good works and didn't know where to start.

    Also you have discussed your fair share of poliitcs ( as do plenty of others) on this website so I'm not sure why you are flaming me for it .... maybe you are just having a bad day and feel like kicking somebody online to make yourself feel better... who knows


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    So can you explain why you've felt the need to change your names so many times and even post concurrently under different screen names?
    For different reasons at different times. Many of which are well known- others are not..... but that is neither here nor there at this point b/c i have agreed to not do that kind of thing anymore..... and with permission from the mods I now post under this name and ony this name. In addition, I agreed to respond with restraint to personal attacks such as the ones you posted today- which I have also done as agreed.

    All this drama seems out of character from you, imho

    I'm disapointed, I expected better based on what I have come to know about you. I'm sad to do so but I'm ading to you to my ignore list- at least for now anyway. I do get riled up easily, that much is true ... but as mentioned I have been trying to limit that reaction here on SW lately. The ignore list is a great place to start that process... and considering you are trying considerably to provoke me at the moment your name is going to be added after I post this reply.

    I hope you are in a better mood soon... have a nice day!
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    Default Re: Public Opinion shows overwhelmingly support of Democrats' top goals

    So can you explain why you've felt the need to change your names so many times and even post concurrently under different screen names?

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    For different reasons at different times. Many of which are well known- others are not..... but that is neither here nor there at this point b/c i have agreed to not do that kind of thing anymore..... and with permission from the mods I now post under this name and ony this name. In addition, I agreed to respond with restraint to personal attacks such as the ones you posted today- which I have also done as agreed.

    I didn't see this until now. But you know what? It is both HERE and THERE. I happen to like you, and have been your defender behind the scenes, so to speak, more than once. I think you're so impassioned it gets the better of you. I can understand that, but I'm still really pissed that you've never fully explained yourself. Why should anyone trust you or believe you, based on your not-so-distant past behavior? How do we know that you're not just a raging case of Munchausen and a compulsive liar?

    Come clean, and we'll move forward. Stay as you are, Tigerlilly, and it's just the same shit; different day.

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    Am I the only Person who believes Opinion Polls are nothing but manipulated lies? I too can "poll' in DC ghettos, East LA Barrios, ask around Hells Kitchen, Lincoln Park, really sample in any low income impoverished area and get those results. I could also Poll Rodeo drive, the Hamptons, Brentwood, and many other affluent areas and get the opposite. A poll is in no way a statement of Truth anymore than it is a true sampling of U.S. Citizen opinion.

    I am against raising the Min wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartcookie View Post

    I didn't see this until now. But you know what? It is both HERE and THERE. I happen to like you, and have been your defender behind the scenes, so to speak, more than once. I think you're so impassioned it gets the better of you. I can understand that, but I'm still really pissed that you've never fully explained yourself. Why should anyone trust you or believe you, based on your not-so-distant past behavior? How do we know that you're not just a raging case of Munchausen and a compulsive liar?

    Come clean, and we'll move forward. Stay as you are, Tigerlilly, and it's just the same shit; different day.
    A little birdie told me I should read your above post b/c they know I've always respected your pov .... maybe the following will answer your questions:

    Yeah , I've pulled my share of shit I know- but it's only been to TRY and get certian people to see the other side of life, a more compassionate one.

    I tried every angle I could think of to reach that goal - including faux names ect. ect... I failed and yeah I hated it... I also got mad as hell at some of things that were said and done to me both on and off this website..... I'm REALLY stubborn and not proud of that ... I felt I was being bullied and I'm no doormat so I fought back- HARD.... I deserve some of the crap slung my way but some of it I don't. ...I don't think I should be the offical punching bag of SW and I've been treated that way ALOT .... but for every one of my "haters" I find two more members who like me so..... I don't expect people to just "trust" me now..... I know I'm going to have to earn it. But that takes time. I also understand that for some it may never happen..... If people find something of value in what I write on the site- fabulous. If not, well I have acepted that too... finally.

    You see I've got this one serious problem- I want the world to be a better place and sometimes I fool myself into thinking I can make a difference.... you know what they say about reaching one person and all... well that's me. For better or for worse, that's me. I actually CARE, more so than for my own good for sure.... but it is the core of who I am and honestly... well I happen to like myself.

    I also happen to like this site. Where else on the net can a girl talk about anything with thousands of other fellow former and current strippers whom we all share this common thread. I truely believe that it is the talk about whatever aspect of this web community that makes if different/better/special as compared to other industry related sites. I think it's what makes alot of the members so loyal to the site and to eachother.

    So does the above explain or settle things for you a bit more? If so can we have this thread go back to the OP subject now
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Am I the only Person who believes Opinion Polls are nothing but manipulated lies?.
    I notice that when opinion polls show support for the rightwing agenda , many conservative people promote them and when they don't suddenly the same people claim polls are not valid.

    That said, I have to wonder would you feel the same way if the poll more represented your own conservative opinions ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tara Nicole View Post
    I notice that when opinion polls show support for the rightwing agenda , many conservative people promote them and when they don't suddenly the same people claim polls are not valid.

    That said, I have to wonder would you feel the same way if the poll more represented your own conservative opinions ?
    I don't care which agenda a Poll promotes. a Poll ia still a lie. Get it a LIE.

    YOU DON'T HAVE TO WONDER. A POLL IS A LIE.

    ONCE MORE FOR THE CHEAP SEATS!

    A OPINION POLL IS A LIE......

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    Yes, any student of the scientific method will tell you a poll is seldom able to take a statistically significant and unbiased sample. For instance, a CNN poll is biased towards those who watch CNN. They have different characteristics than those who don't watch the news at all or only read the Wall Street Journal.

    It doesn't mean that information isn't being transmitted. I think the media chases what's most sensationalistic and just drills it into everyone's head until the next story.

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    Aren't you the one who freaked out about white people referring to Houston as Htown too a while back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Yes, any student of the scientific method will tell you a poll is seldom able to take a statistically significant and unbiased sample. For instance, a CNN poll is biased towards those who watch CNN. They have different characteristics than those who don't watch the news at all or only read the Wall Street Journal.

    It doesn't mean that information isn't being transmitted. I think the media chases what's most sensationalistic and just drills it into everyone's head until the next story.

    Army,

    Why aren't you for stem cell research?

    Aren't you the one who freaked out about white people referring to Houston as Htown too a while back?
    I watch FoxNews, Headline News, and BBC (internet). Ted Turner owns CNN and is married to Jane Fonda. So I cannot support CNN. Good Men were beaten and killed because that woman turned in a note passed to her by a pilot held in the Hanoi Hilton. She turned it in to a NVA Officer rather than bring that note back to the US so families would know those Men were alive.

    Stem Cell is just one in a long list of contreversial types of research. I am an Atheist, so I don't believe in Christ or Souls and I don't believe a fetus is a Baby until it can function outside the womb without medical intervention. Just don't pay attention to it at all. Like I said I am neither Pro or Con on Stem Cells.

    Um what about Houston? Wasn't me.....I could careless what People want to call it.

    My experience with Texas begins and ends with El Paso and I am fine with that.
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    I disagree that opinion polls are nothing but complete lies b/c I find that in general match up with what I hear expressed in the public square. I find it makes no difference either if the public opinion is similar to my own and when it is very different than my own. The public opinon polls are always very close to what I find actual people express as their personal opinions.
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    Default Re: Public Opinion shows overwhelmingly support of Democrats' top goals

    trying to drift back to one of the original thread points ...

    If we can get drugs from other countries that are just as effective as the ones here in the US, why wouldn't somebody support that? My medications are through the roof, but in other parts of the world they are a fraction of the cost. As long as they are the same drug I'm happy to save some money each month.
    Yes, and you'll continue to stay happy with the lower priced generic drugs until, after a period of time, pathogens in our environment build up resistance and those drugs aren't effective anymore. The reason that generic drugs are so cheap is that all the generic drug companies have to worry about is producing drugs to a known, approved formula. But that drug was discovered, tested, and submitted for approval in the first place by a Name Brand drug company - just as the Name Brand drug companies are searching for, testing, and submitting new drugs as we speak ! And those research, testing and submittal costs are being carried by the extra profit margin the Name Brand drug companies are able to charge on the one drug out of 100 that survives the testing and submittal process. Also carried by that extra profit margin are the liability lawsuit / settlement costs when a new drug turns out to have delayed negative side effects.

    The low cost generic drugs across the board argument has as it's basis the necessity of public versus private funding of new drug research - which appears to offer lower costs for the direct purchase of drugs but keeps in the closet the additional billions of dollars worth of your and my tax money that would have to go to gov't operated / subsidized laboratories if we don't want to be left without any future drugs that are actually effective once today's bacteria build up resistance to existing generic drugs to the point that existing generic drugs become ineffective - as well as the additional billions of dollars worth of your and my tax money that would have to go to 'victims' of gov't operated / subsidized drug research in the absence of a Name Brand drug company to sue.

    As with many of the points cited, one really has to look beyond the 'surface effect' of each proposal to see what the long term effects (and associated costs to US taxpayers) will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Yes, and you'll continue to stay happy with the lower priced generic drugs until, after a period of time, pathogens in our environment build up resistance and those drugs aren't effective anymore.
    Where's the data to indicate that the most oft-proscribed medications are anti-infectives, aka antibiotics and anti-virals?

    Thank you, Tara, for answering my question. I am definitely left of center, probably more centrist than you, but we agree on most things most of the time. But I feel - and maybe you do too, now - that walking away is sometimes the most productive course of action in heated political arguments. Some people just can't be convinced of anything in that context, no matter how hard one tries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    trying to drift back to one of the original thread points ...



    Yes, and you'll continue to stay happy with the lower priced generic drugs until, after a period of time, pathogens in our environment build up resistance and those drugs aren't effective anymore. The reason that generic drugs are so cheap is that all the generic drug companies have to worry about is producing drugs to a known, approved formula. But that drug was discovered, tested, and submitted for approval in the first place by a Name Brand drug company - just as the Name Brand drug companies are searching for, testing, and submitting new drugs as we speak ! And those research, testing and submittal costs are being carried by the extra profit margin the Name Brand drug companies are able to charge on the one drug out of 100 that survives the testing and submittal process. Also carried by that extra profit margin are the liability lawsuit / settlement costs when a new drug turns out to have delayed negative side effects.

    The low cost generic drugs across the board argument has as it's basis the necessity of public versus private funding of new drug research - which appears to offer lower costs for the direct purchase of drugs but keeps in the closet the additional billions of dollars worth of your and my tax money that would have to go to gov't operated / subsidized laboratories if we don't want to be left without any future drugs that are actually effective once today's bacteria build up resistance to existing generic drugs to the point that existing generic drugs become ineffective - as well as the additional billions of dollars worth of your and my tax money that would have to go to 'victims' of gov't operated / subsidized drug research in the absence of a Name Brand drug company to sue.

    As with many of the points cited, one really has to look beyond the 'surface effect' of each proposal to see what the long term effects (and associated costs to US taxpayers) will be.

    I 100% agree that there are differences between brand name and generic drugs. BIG differences. I guess I just get upset when I go to get my meds (like I did today) and 2 weeks worth of one of my prescriptions is $1,339. Yes, to me it is a miracle drug, nothing else really works for me. If I had to choose between paying my mortgage and getting my meds I would get the meds. I even laughed about it this afternoon, because if I had no drug coverage I could be healthy and broke or sick and housed. In my opinion that sucks. But I've got issues with the medical community in this coutry, so I am quite biased.

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    Default Re: Public Opinion shows overwhelmingly support of Democrats' top goals

    Gingerlee,

    Can you describe what you find different about generic meds?

    I can't say I have heard anyone else say that so I'm curious. I have always purchased generic meds when they were available but now that I don't have to do it for the savings I might reconsider, especially when it comes to meds for my loved ones.
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