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    so i work in a no contact club... and while for a bit there it was getting a little lax on the rules, i just got a "talking to" about my table dances. i was apparently getting to close. so i've toned down my dances- i'd rather not get slapped with a prostitution ticket because i make the mistake of grinding in a dance... but no contact is really hard!!! i still try to do what i can, getting in close to the custy's cheeks/ears, touching their legs/chest, etc. The thing is, i want to give a good dance, but i don't want to bore my guest! do you guys have any suggestions of things that you might enjoy that are within the boundaries of a no contact club? i love giving dances, i could just use some tips to make sure you guys are enjoying them as much as the club will allow (which imho isn't much!! )

    thanks guys!!

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    what club are u at?
    i know u asked for the mens opinions but i work at a no-contact club and there are many ways to give a great dance without breaking the house rules.
    eye contact is the key to a great air-dance IMO. a mix of sitting back in your chair (if that's how u do the dance) and getting closer to the customer.
    i always spray perfume in my hair so when i get close and my hair goes near their face they get a nice fragrance. i have guys coming back for more dances coz they say they love the way that i smell.

    what exactly are the rules of your club: i work at centrefold in melbourne and our rules are:
    - no straddling
    - one foot on ground at all times
    - no sitting on customers lap
    - boobs not allowed to touch customer
    etc

    so coz of the no sitting in customers laps some of the girls have come up with what i would describe as the "hover" - which involves leaning against the customers shoulders and kind of hovering over their lap so that they get up-close view. i dont know how the girls do that its seriously strenuous on the legs to do this.
    some girls also sit on one leg of the customer but not in the middle of the lap - i dont know if this is officially allowed but they dont seem to get into trouble.
    hope that helps some.

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    Please note that I am just a Newbie but here's my two cents....I will never go to a club like the Men's Club. But I won't go to a club that perhaps might be called a high mileage club either.

    It's like the story of Goldilocks and the three bears. There is a club that is right for the guy and the girl in question. I like the moderately higher priced club I go to now where I know a few girls who know what I like and who are extremely attractive (and healthy...no missing teeth etc.). If you want to satisfy, you need to find the club that's right for you. I hate air dances. A new girl can come in and fool me once, but not twice. I won't say what state I am in but lets just say that the South Rules!

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    interesting jaizaine - I was recently at Centerfolds here in Houston, the girl that came to my table (I tipped her $5 on stage) broke all your rules in the first 5 minutes....no place like home....my gosh if I found myself in a club with those kinda rules, well it would be so depressing.....I mean I would be out of my boobie contact comfort zone
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    what club are u at?
    i know u asked for the mens opinions but i work at a no-contact club and there are many ways to give a great dance without breaking the house rules.
    eye contact is the key to a great air-dance IMO. a mix of sitting back in your chair (if that's how u do the dance) and getting closer to the customer.
    i always spray perfume in my hair so when i get close and my hair goes near their face they get a nice fragrance. i have guys coming back for more dances coz they say they love the way that i smell.

    what exactly are the rules of your club: i work at centrefold in melbourne and our rules are:
    - no straddling
    - one foot on ground at all times
    - no sitting on customers lap
    - boobs not allowed to touch customer
    etc

    so coz of the no sitting in customers laps some of the girls have come up with what i would describe as the "hover" - which involves leaning against the customers shoulders and kind of hovering over their lap so that they get up-close view. i dont know how the girls do that its seriously strenuous on the legs to do this.
    some girls also sit on one leg of the customer but not in the middle of the lap - i dont know if this is officially allowed but they dont seem to get into trouble.
    hope that helps some.
    Jazaine,

    If a dancer follows those rules, how much of the time does the customer get a hard-on? Assuming there are no other complicating factors like drink, drugs, old age, viagra.

    Not trying to insult, just curious about how much a dancer can achieve within a set of rules like that.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrillseeker View Post
    Jazaine,

    If a dancer follows those rules, how much of the time does the customer get a hard-on? Assuming there are no other complicating factors like drink, drugs, old age, viagra.
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    Honestly-
    You should consider either another club to work that is not so strict (as long as you don't mind the contact) or press on until you can find out what you can get away with.
    Contact is contact-and guys do like to-at the very least-get "brushed" by certain female enhancements. "Air" dancing is a bit boring and usually won't get return customers.
    Eye contact is nice, fragrances are wonderful, good lingerie and dancing is sweet-but if you have to stand away or prevent contact, it really kills the whole fantasy and excitement for the guy. (Not to be confused with the "woody-thing").
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    so just an update... i am at a club in denver while i'm home on the holidays. denver has very strict rules about contact... ie: must maintain a 6inch distance at all times (yeah right, like ANY of us follow that one!) during table dances we're not supposed to let our feet leave the platform so that cuts out stradling, etc.... blah blah blah. we all push it. some girls will sit and stradle and grind regardless. grinding by the way, is prostitution if my ass touches his crotch. even by "accident." shitty huh? guess how excited i would be if that custy was actually an undercover cop. grrr~

    anyway, i personally have no problems with the rules, it does make it hard, but some light grazing during an "air dance" and some sultry eyes are doing me ok. granted, i'm not getting $100 worth of dances in one set anymore, but i'm also not being hovered over by our bouncer who's on a mission to bust the girls giving "extras"... (as if a slight grind or whatever is really all that extra ).

    anyway, it's a short term thing, i'm done in jan, then back to Oz. so in the meantime i'm not switching clubs, and just want to make sure my dances are enjoyable. guys come in, and guys know the rules. sure , most expect us to push it, but they are aware of them from the get go. so aside from leaving, which i won't do until i'm back in Oz, what are some suggestions? thanks!

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    I worked in some clubs right outside of Denver and they didnt have these kind of rules you are talking about. Try working at some clubs outside of the denver city and you might have better luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrillseeker View Post
    Jazaine,

    If a dancer follows those rules, how much of the time does the customer get a hard-on? Assuming there are no other complicating factors like drink, drugs, old age, viagra.

    Not trying to insult, just curious about how much a dancer can achieve within a set of rules like that.

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    thrillseeker to answer your question i have no idea how often a customer gets a hard-on coz as i said i cannot sit in laps and its dark
    but after one of my dances i know that most guys say they need a minute to stand-up lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notradaya View Post
    i love giving dances, i could just use some tips to make sure you guys are enjoying them as much as the club will allow (which imho isn't much!! )

    thanks guys!!
    Well, I love the enthusiasm However, really if you're unhappy with the rules of your club try another. If you're doing well in an air dance club, then you'll have no problem getting hired at others.

    However if you're concerned for our enjoyment, I think if you mention you enjoy giving dance, and we're paying past the initial few dances, you have nothing to worry about
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    I think an air dance club would go bankrupt in Houston.

    We are used to a sorta SC atmosphere.......
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    JFC on a pogo stick! Just answer the OP's question, you guys. Stop suggesting she go somewhere else or that a club's going to go bankrupt with that business model. News flash! A club can actually survive and a dancer make a living from an AIR DANCE! (This also just in... Hooters doesn't even offer naked boobies but is a successful operation.) Now wipe the friggin' tears out of your eyes and give the girl some sage advice given her current circumstances.

    Let's rephrase this if it helps you. Think about the most memorable dance that you've ever received which happened to involve very little contact. What made it so memorable when, if judged by your usual criteria of mileage, it should not have been?

    -Ev

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    ^ sadly, most guys are too busy worrying "why isn't she grinding, why can't i feel her tits, etc" to focus on the other aspects of the dance.

    you know, the same guys who would read what i just wrote and think "wtf else are you SUPPOSED to do?? it's a LAP DANCE"

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    I guess I'm spoiled living in Vegas. We seem to get a LOT of contact here, even though I don't think they're supposed to with the new city laws concerning strip clubs. If I do a VIP room we usually tip the bouncer a couple bucks and he'll pretend we're not even there.
    If you can't have any contact the best advise I can give you is to use serious eye contact. I know an older dancer in town who can stare a hole through you when she's dancing. Very hot. You might even try getting close enough to blow in his ear or whisper something to him.

    PS - Just for the record, if Hooters didn't have good food and drink, they probably wouldn't be in business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notradaya View Post
    anyway, it's a short term thing, i'm done in jan, then back to Oz. so in the meantime i'm not switching clubs, and just want to make sure my dances are enjoyable. guys come in, and guys know the rules. sure , most expect us to push it, but they are aware of them from the get go. so aside from leaving, which i won't do until i'm back in Oz, what are some suggestions? thanks!
    I'm in the Boulder area, but I've also visited some of the Denver/Glendale clubs. Yes, Colorado laws are relatively strict, but not THAT strict! Sounds like one of several circumstances: (1) They are getting heat from LE and need to cool it for a while. (2) You are in one of the really strict suburbs. (3) For whatever reason -- possibly because you are a short-term employee and from out of town, indeed, out of the country -- they are picking on you to reduce your income in favor of the locals. Even in Glendale, mentioned by JZ, and in a single club, I've seen a great deal of variability of management enforcement in one night.

    Even though you insist on not switching clubs, it may still be best, even with just 2 weeks to go.

    In the meantime, I agree with jaizaine that eye contact is most important. One of my faves gives what many might consider an air dance, but her eye contact is as sexy and exciting as any I've ever experienced. Getting really close, face-to-face, is good. Get a little closer so cheeks, face, heads, hair touch without lip or other contact, can be effective if you can get away with it.

    I disagree with the perfume. I personally don't like it that much, and if there _is_ contact, it gets into and stays in the customer's hair, making it inconvenient for some (like me!).

    I'm still curious with Denver club is being so restrictive. PM me if you care to. I might be able to share some other suggestions.

    Good luck.

    Oh, yes, Stay warm!!! It's COLD out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheetahTim View Post
    PS - Just for the record, if Hooters didn't have good food and drink, they probably wouldn't be in business.
    Okay, so you're suggesting she serve hot wings in addition to doing the table dance. Good idea.

    -Ev

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post
    Just answer the OP's question, you guys. Stop suggesting she go somewhere else or that a club's going to go bankrupt with that business model. News flash! A club can actually survive and a dancer make a living from an AIR DANCE!
    -Ev
    Maybe so, but in all of the cities I've traveled to, contact lap dances are the rule. Why should we pay $20-30 dollars (or more) for a 3 minute (or less) dance with the dancer not allowed to come within 6 inches of us? We may as well sit at the stage and tip a few bucks instead. So how are we supposed to give suggestions for making air dances memorable? Maybe they were 10 years ago, but now they are pretty tame.

    So, my suggestion, is that if she is happy with the $$$ at her air dance club. Stay there and be happy. If she wants more $$$, switch clubs.

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    I'd pay extra if evan_essence served me some other customer's used napkin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post
    News flash! A club can actually survive and a dancer make a living from an AIR DANCE!
    -Ev
    Hear, hear!

    An excellent reply. I would love to see more airdance clubs, it might help keep the focus on stripping, and out of guys' crotches. Back when I used to be a customer and buy dances, airdances were much preferable. I think eye contact is one of the most important factors in a good airdance, unless of course the guy is trying to hypnotise you, lol--there are a few of those out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    I'd pay extra if evan_essence served me some other customer's used napkin.
    Oh, shut up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverback View Post
    Oh, shut up!
    heh. hehehehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Maybe so, but in all of the cities I've traveled to, contact lap dances are the rule. Why should we pay $20-30 dollars (or more) for a 3 minute (or less) dance with the dancer not allowed to come within 6 inches of us?
    Well, number one, who said they were $20-30? I suppose maybe they are in her case, but they could just as easily be $10-15.

    Number two, I don't know, because, like, it's not really legal for me to be in your crotch? So being the concerned citizen for my welfare that you are, you'll agree that we should keep it legal? Thanks ever so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    We may as well sit at the stage and tip a few bucks instead. So how are we supposed to give suggestions for making air dances memorable? Maybe they were 10 years ago, but now they are pretty tame.
    Funny, the nature of that type of dancing didn't change. WTF did you do? Fry some cranial receptor nodes on bad drugs? Did your metabolism slow down with old age? I don't know, humor me. Imagine it's ten years ago and describe the best non-contact dance you ever got. Just pretend contact doesn't exist and describe the elements that made it so good. Flash back to the warm and fuzzy memory. It's satisfying once again. She loooks sooo goood and you feeel sooo goood. Your breathing is becoming shallow and your palms sweaty. And you won't come out of this trance until I snap my fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evan_essence View Post
    Funny, the nature of that type of dancing didn't change. WTF did you do? Fry some cranial receptor nodes on bad drugs? Did your metabolism slow down with old age? I don't know, humor me. Imagine it's ten years ago and describe the best non-contact dance you ever got. Just pretend contact doesn't exist and describe the elements that made it so good. Flash back to the warm and fuzzy memory. It's satisfying once again. She loooks sooo goood and you feeel sooo goood. Your breathing is becoming shallow and your palms sweaty. And you won't come out of this trance until I snap my fingers.
    -Ev
    Oh, I'm sure I fried a receptor or two along the way , and my metabolism certainly slowed down. But, I think dancing has been changing all along. It's just not as noticeable in small snapshots of time.

    Consider the term "exotic dancer"

    ex·ot·ic (ĭg-zŏt'ĭk)
    adj.

    Intriguingly unusual or different; excitingly strange.

    By definition, the experience needs to be outside the ordinary, everyday experience of the person. In the 1800's, a dancer showing a bare calf or leg would have been considered exotic. By today's terms? Not so much.

    No matter what techniques a dancer would use to "show some leg", it would be all in vain. Societies definition of what an exotic dance is has moved beyond that. Men can see far more of a woman's body any day at the beach.

    To retain it's exotic nature, it has to continue to evolve beyond what one experiences in daily life.

    Oh wait, have you snapped your fingers yet?

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    to answer ev's question my own way, I found one club in cle that had one dancer big on performance. She was a pleasure to watch. Really hot. She picked her music, didn't care so much to attend the rail though money did get put down, but she actually put on a SHOW in synch with the music and with props. She got naked, but ...i dunno, fit... I imagine it was more like that 10 years ago...

    Like scarlette vancouver's video. She put on a SHOW. I'd pay to see the SHOW. Not to have her on my lap grinding... Because the SHOW was good and of a sexual nature that could not be purchased anywhere else...

    make sense?
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