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    (snip)"PARIS (Reuters) - The French Interior Ministry has appealed against a court ruling which allowed an organisation with far-right links to continue to offer pork soup to the homeless, Paris police said on Thursday.

    Police had banned the soup kitchen last month, arguing that the handouts discriminated against Jews and Muslims who do not eat pork on religious grounds, but saw the ban overturned by an administrative court on Tuesday.

    "The Interior Ministry has on Thursday appealed the tribunal's decision before the Council of State (France's highest administrative court) which will examine the appeal on Friday," a Paris police source told Reuters.

    The administrative court which ruled on Tuesday had said that the distribution was "clearly discriminatory" but that it could not be stopped because the organisers offered to feed anyone who asked for help.

    It also said in a statement on Thursday that only the risk of public disturbances would allow the authorities to impose a ban.

    The food handouts are organised by a nationalist group called Solidarity of the French (SDF). It says its "pig soup", which uses pork fat for stock, is country fare much loved by French traditionalists."(snip)

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    Oh, for fuck's sake. If my Jewish ass was starving to death, I would eat the pork soup and G-d would understand. But I don't want it to come to that, so I WORK and I don't expect soup kitchens to bend over backward to accomodate my personal and religious preferences.

    I'm sorry, but it's that same fucking Arab mentality that starts this shit all over the world. I want to know when the world at large is going to tell Arabs to knock it off and take care of themselves for once. I don't know why this even made it to court.

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    It's not all Arabs, it's a few lazy/selfish assholes, and lazy/selfish assholes of all stripes in general.

    But yeah, if my choice was to keep kosher or starve, I would figure that God would understand.

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    It seems to be the larger Arab culture. I know there are exceptions, but it's worldwide. Arab communities within larger non-Arab cultures ALWAYS seem to start this nonsense.

    And yes, the Torah says to choose life first and foremost. Kashrut is not worth dying for, even in the Bible. If I were really starving, I would be grateful for any food, including pork soup.

    Methinks if you can bitch and file lawsuits, you're not starving and you don't really need the soup kitchen's services anyway.

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    Of course I agree with your observations, but you're also overlooking a key point. The legal gyrations initiated by French muslims were intended to prevent the Charity from providing free 'traditional french pork soup' to needy Frenchmen who were catholic, protestant, buddhist, hindu (or for that matter jewish or muslim but willing to put aside religious convictions re pork products). Obviously this particular Charity's choice of menu of 'traditional French pork soup' was probably done with the knowledge that they wouldn't be getting a whole lot of jewish and muslim patrons, but it was the position of the lower court that since the Charity is privately funded and willing to provide 'traditional french pork soup' to anyone who asks for it regardless of race, creed etc. that there was no legal basis to stop the Charity from operating.

    However, the French Interior Ministry's choice to appeal the lower court decision which is (temporarily) allowing this Charity to continue serving pork soup to catholics, protestants, buddhists, hindus, and any jewish or muslim patrons who ask for it as well, could easily be interpreted as official French Gov't support of a legal approach that anything which offends traditional muslims should be illegalized ! In other words, the French muslims who brought the legal protest in the first place (and lost in court), as well as the French Interior Ministry who is sponsoring an appeal of the lower court ruling, are trying to deny an independent Charity the right to serve ''traditional french pork soup' to needy Frenchmen of all religious convictions based solely on the fact that pork is proscribed by islamic fundamentalist law. if successful, the appeal will in effect enforce islamic fundamentalist law on a non-muslim french 'business' and on non-muslim french individual citizens.

    It's also true that pork is proscribed by jewish kashrut law, but it wasn't french jews who called for the Charity to be outlawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Of course I agree with your observations, but you're also overlooking a key point. The legal gyrations initiated by French muslims were intended to prevent the Charity from providing free 'traditional french pork soup' to needy Frenchmen who were catholic, protestant, buddhist, hindu (or for that matter jewish or muslim but willing to put aside religious convictions re pork products).

    However, the French Interior Ministry's choice to appeal the lower court decision which is (temporarily) allowing this Charity to continue serving pork soup to catholics, protestants, buddhists, hindus, and any jewish or muslim patrons who ask for it as well, could easily be interpreted as official French Gov't support of a legal approach that anything which offends traditional muslims should be illegalized !...
    This will probably be the one book("The Losing Battle with Islam") I read this year about Islam, after hearing a radio interview with the author and reading Jill M.'s review at this link

    http://www.amazon.com/Losing-Battle-Islam-David-Selbourne/dp/1591023629


    and another review of the book, which indicates the author will annoy both the left and right sides of the debate(which, imho, usually indicates a really good book, though I have not purchased a copy yet).

    http://atheism.about.com/od/bookrevi...singBattle.htm

    In the radio interview, the author, who taught at one of the prestigious U.K. universities for twenty years, noted that some Islamic immigrants to other countries are quite skilled at "playing the victim." And then using this technique of victimization to push the extending of greater legal rights to the Islamic immigrant communities than is true for the native-born citizens of whatever country in question.

    Otoh, in France, due to the nature of the sponsoring organization of the charity, they seemed to be actively seeking this legal challenge. But if it is tradional French fare, then I don't see much purpose in the legal challenge, since as was stated, the food was provided to anyone who requested it. If we go back prior to the existence of any religions, I doubt our ancient ancestors were concerned whether they killed a wild boar or a bear for food, as long as they kept their stomachs full for another day.
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    Default Re: feed the hungry or starve in political correctness ?

    Both religions permit the violation of dietary laws if it's a choice between that and starvation.

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    As usual Melonie is both topical and right on point. This illustrates a SERIOUS problem in Europe which many countries like France are desperately trying to ignore in the vain hope that it will somehow go away- they have large, growing and increasingly restive Muslim populations trying to get special status and privileges. Violence is increasing and in some European countries if current population trends continue; they will have Muslim MAJORITIES in about 30 yearsor so. That's right. Immigration, mostly 'illegal" coupled with a very high birth rate and a very low birthrate among "native born" Europeans means some will have a Muslim majority in about 30 years. Great ! Just what we and Europe need: Two or three "Lebanons" on the European continent and btw, many of the Muslims currently living in Europe are fundamentalist and are joining terrorist organizations. The London & Madrid bombings and the murder of Theo Van Gogh were just the beginning.

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    No I dont think it's wrong at all. I know that when I grew up as a muslim girl I was raised that if it comes life/death and there is nothing left to eat but a dam pig, you better open that baby up and eat it!







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    This illustrates a SERIOUS problem in Europe which many countries like France are desperately trying to ignore in the vain hope that it will somehow go away- they have large, growing and increasingly restive Muslim populations trying to get special status and privileges. Violence is increasing and in some European countries if current population trends continue; they will have Muslim MAJORITIES in about 30 yearsor so. That's right. Immigration, mostly 'illegal" coupled with a very high birth rate and a very low birthrate among "native born" Europeans means some will have a Muslim majority in about 30 years.
    Yes this thread was not really posted to discuss the possibility of starvation (which is essentially impossible in a Western European country), but to point out the possible eventual consequences of this 'slippery slope'. With current demographic trends, Andalusia will rise again (and Andalusia was NOT a great place for non-muslims to live !)

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