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    Ladies,

    So this is a fairly detailed question and requires some backround. Here it goes.

    I love strip clubs, I love dancers, I'm a big fan. I'm the great guy to run into if you are having a bad night. Moving on....

    Recently last summer I spent about 3 months in Vegas. During that time I visited about 4 or 5 strip clubs. Rhino, Cheetahs, Deja Vu, lil darlings. Rhino IMO is the best strip club I've ever been too. Well onto the question.

    During my first visit to Rhino I met a dancer whom I spent I'd say about $400-$500 on. We got a couple half hour dances and the other room. I forget what it's called. She kissed me, full fledge, french kiss during the dance at like 4 different times. During the dance she made a couple comments about how much of a gentleman I was and how I never gropped her and I just pretty much ran my hands all over skin. How I also smelled good and blah blah blah. Is kissing a guy that typical? I always assumed it wasn't. I normally live on the east coast and I have never and I mean ever kissed a dancer. Nor have they ever tried to kiss me.

    During that trip, I also ended up kissing 3 other dancers. Is this typical for a las vegas dancer?

    I feel like I'm a pretty smart guy, college educated, and I know the difference between a hustle and something that is not. I understand what the point of a strip club is. You go there have fun and that is it. You leave happy, the dancer leaves with money, and everybody is all the better.

    I just feel like a kiss is very personal. Espicially for women who work in an industry where they are constantly showing off their body it has to be the one last sacred thing they have to offer a man.

    Now with every girl I shacked up with, I did spend roughly four to five hundred dollars a piece on. So that could be part of it. But at no point did I ever hint that that was something I wanted.

    Now from dating one of those dancers I have learned a lot. Like dancers in vegas will give out their cell phone numbers if they think they will get a big spender back in the club, but she swears that dancers don't kiss customers. Is she telling the truth, or was all that just part of the dance?

    I guess none of you can say for those specific girls, but in general are any of you ever kissing your customers?

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    i think that was part of her hustle. i have definitely used the "oh ONLY with you, not other customers" line for many different things, and it works well. but dont be disillusioned, they are after nothing more than the money, and they think that will bring it back. thinking it's "real" will only lead to hurt feelings (yours) later when you realize it's all about the money. they may mean that you were great, and truly they may not kiss *every customer* but surely you were not the only one or even close to that. sorry to be so blunt, just being honest.

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    No, don't be sorry for being blunt. I'm would much rather you be honest and tell me the truth and it doesn't hurt my feeling in the least. I just would rather they not do that, if it's part of the hustle. I'm a total sucker, it's not hard to get my money.

    I just thought it was strange. I guess it's just vegas.

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    My ATF doesn't call me a "Reg", but a "friend who happens to get dances." So there's all kinds of hustle.

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    No, this is not normal Vegas dancer behavior, Its vegas slut dancer behavior. I tell guys they smell good, they are soo nice, blah blah all the time. Its boosting their ego. Making them think I am truly interested. Its part of my job to make them feel good. As for kissing, never, ever. Yuck. However, I have winessed dances kissing guys in VIP. I think they think its ok, cause its not sex or a bj.
    however, to answer your question, it still a hustle, it dont mean she likes you, its jus a dancer who is offering up an extra cause she dont know how to keep a guy interested any other way than to offer something extra. Its bad hustling skills.

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    Okay - if you're asking whether or not the girl's "really like you" - we have no way to know. Chances that all of them are "really" into you - probably not. Pretty slim. Any one? We don't know.

    If you're asking if it is typical - well, you have your own little experiment. How many dancers were there total? like 5 or like 30? So 4 out of that many.
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    A recurring theme is "Does she like me...is it real?" This thread is very representative. Many others can be found by using the search engine.

    An excerpt from the mod Hot Topic sticky post at the top of this section. We ask all members but especially newbies to read this in order to avoid the same old questions over and over again (the details vary but the gist is always the same).

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    Quote Originally Posted by robg1980 View Post
    But she swears that dancers don't kiss customers. Is she telling the truth, or was all that just part of the dance?
    Of course dancers kiss customers. Some dancers are more athletic and enthusiastic (and, uh, gymnastic) about it than others, but it happens pretty much everywhere. A LOT.

    This assumes, of course, that you are reasonably attractive and interesting and not physically revolting.

    Is it part of the hustle? Of course it's part of the hustle. Sorry. You are guy 46325, which means there are lots of guys before you and lots of guys after you. Plus, the dancer has to get home to her b/f and her real life. Since you've stated that you've dated a dancer, you should know this drill.

    There are many dancers who I deeply respect who feel that full-on French kissing crosses an invisible intimacy line. In one specific case, it's even caused me to change my own behavior. So be aware that this is a sensitive subject and there are a lot of different opinions about it. Nonetheless, it is extremely common in many clubs.

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    Wow thanks for the in depth reply. The reason I asked was because I thought it did cross that line and the impression I got from the girl I dated was she said it did too.

    I guess it all goes to one's own personal opinion.

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    In my experience, which isn't even that extensive, that line varies greatly from girl to girl, especially the Eastern European women.

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    i've known quite a few girls who kiss any customer as part of their hustle. i've known others who are a bit "selective" about who they'll kiss (like, guys who aren't gross) but it's still part of the hustle. also, when in VIP within hearing distance from said girls i've heard them say "i don't usualy do that" after kissing someone or even "i've never kissed a customer before"

    lol

    i won't kiss -anyone- well, unless it's one of my 5 top celebs.

    i'm a germaphobe, so for me, you have to be WORTH getting the flu for......... and that means you have to be pretty goddamned hot.

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    I can say that was most likely their hustle. I have to admit I've kissed 2 customers in my dancing career, yes it was VIP but in all honesty, it wasn't all hustle for me. It was because the guy was very goodlooking, we had that sexual chemistry that you just know you have with someone and I haven't gotten laid in a long time. I'd say for 99.9999% of customers, hell no!!!! Don't even touch me! So, I really think it was their hustle, of course there are a few situations when they normally don't kiss customers like me, but chances are for the most part, it's not very common, so I know the customer didn't believe me when I said I don't ever do this! Oh well!!!

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    Bwhahaha! Another PL is born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robg1980 View Post
    I feel like I'm a pretty smart guy, college educated, and I know the difference between a hustle and something that is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robg1980 View Post
    I just feel like a kiss is very personal.

    And that's probably why they did it. Sure there's a CHANCE they all liked you, but it's safe to assume not and let them approach you with the betterment, even in surprise. It's amazing what can happen on a slow night when you're the only $500.00 she's made that night, and the eviction letter on her counter says $600. It's all PROBABLE. Being unaffected by it will draw out the truth. Thank her for it. And keep your willingness to walk away. There are 100s out there just like her, thousands that are even better. Mouthwash.
    Quote Originally Posted by robg1980 View Post
    Now with every girl I shacked up with, I did spend roughly four to five hundred dollars a piece on. So that could be part of it.

    See? Now you're starting to piece this together. Sure it COULD be real. See if she tries to get ahold of you in the next few days. Take your time man, you have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by robg1980 View Post
    Now from dating one of those dancers I have learned a lot. Like dancers in vegas will give out their cell phone numbers if they think they will get a big spender back in the club, but she swears that dancers don't kiss customers. Is she telling the truth, or was all that just part of the dance?

    Irrelevant globally, yet accurate in its specifics. Don't keep this in mind. It's utterly pointless to dissect it this way. It's all about money until it's not.

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    From my experience some are OK with kissing (peck on lips), but Ive never seen/experienced a dancer french anyone. Maybe theyve upped the ante recently.

    I dont normally care for kissing because (lets be honest), if you are getting it, chances are that you are not the first or last of the evening (as goes with anything you get from her). But if I feel shes spending the majority of time on me and Im feeling randy Ive done it.

    Worst thing was when a dancer Ive never talked to before walks up and sticks her tongue in my ear right off the bat. Blech! Anyhow tongue in ear/ tongue in mouth, probably all the same to them you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodyLV View Post
    From my experience some are OK with kissing (peck on lips), but Ive never seen/experienced a dancer french anyone. Maybe theyve upped the ante recently..........Worst thing was when a dancer Ive never talked to before walks up and sticks her tongue in my ear right off the bat. Blech! Anyhow tongue in ear/ tongue in mouth, probably all the same to them you get the point.
    ewwwww! are here really girls who do tht. Wait, don't answer that. I don't really want to know! I'm gonna go bang my head into a wall untill that pic goes away!

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    yeah i dont know what was up with that. did she want a b****-slap or a lap dance? haha.

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    Some dumbass strippers kiss and full on make out with every customer they get money from. I don't understand their logic, but whatever.

    It was just part of the hustle dude.

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    Irrelevant globally, yet accurate in its specifics. Don't keep this in mind. It's utterly pointless to dissect it this way. It's all about money until it's not.
    Agreed.

    Standard hustle in Vegas. Besides, a lot of those Vegas girls are also escorting on the side--using the club to screen and qualify customers, and in that respect, DFK doesn't seem at all out of character if that's their angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Agreed.

    Standard hustle in Vegas. Besides, a lot of those Vegas girls are also escorting on the side--using the club to screen and qualify customers, and in that respect, DFK doesn't seem at all out of character if that's their angle.
    that makes no sense as hookers aren't any more or less likely to kiss customers than strippers.

    If she wants to do OTC, there are other methods of testing the waters that don't involve swapping bodily fluids.

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    IMO the only time it is "real" is when you meet the girl outside of work for breakfast, have a "regular" date, and start to hang out socially outside the club.

    Inside the club it is all fantasy - you get what you pay for.


    As it happens, some of my girlfriends past or present I met while they were dancing. Here are some clues that it is real, and could turn into something:

    1) They talk to you in the club for half an hour without asking for a dance, and after doing a lap dance with another customer, they come right back to you. (NOTE: I think it's implied that you get a dance or two - at least - she IS at work. HOWEVER if you want to this to continue, there's something important to know: In the full contact lap dance clubs of Los Angeles, it's common for the girl to grind on the guy in "exactly the right spot" to make him climax. But If you climax in your pants with a girl on your lap, you have pretty much blown any chance of seeing her socially.)

    2) They invite you out to breakfast after their shift.

    3) They actually call you at the phone number on the business card you gave them to ask you about something that you were talking about in the club.

    4) They give you a ride home, since you took a cab to the club.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    that makes no sense as hookers aren't any more or less likely to kiss customers than strippers.
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    Many hookers DO kiss customers (especially those that advertise GFE).



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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDeLarge View Post
    IMO the only time it is "real" is when you meet the girl outside of work for breakfast, have a "regular" date, and start to hang out socially outside the club.

    Inside the club it is all fantasy - you get what you pay for.


    As it happens, some of my girlfriends past or present I met while they were dancing. Here are some clues that it is real, and could turn into something:

    1) They talk to you in the club for half an hour without asking for a dance, and after doing a lap dance with another customer, they come right back to you. (NOTE: I think it's implied that you get a dance or two - at least - she IS at work. HOWEVER if you want to this to continue, there's something important to know: In the full contact lap dance clubs of Los Angeles, it's common for the girl to grind on the guy in "exactly the right spot" to make him climax. But If you climax in your pants with a girl on your lap, you have pretty much blown any chance of seeing her socially.)

    2) They invite you out to breakfast after their shift.

    3) They actually call you at the phone number on the business card you gave them to ask you about something that you were talking about in the club.

    4) They give you a ride home, since you took a cab to the club.

    What you've described is socializing with dancers, not dating them. It's true that these social events can grow into something else, but just going out to breakfast together, giving rides to each other, talking on the phone or even hanging out at each other's houses does not a relationship make. Some dancers from my home club will bring their children over to my house to play with my little girl. Sometimes we have dinner together at my home. Sometimes my little girl calls THEM on my cell phone (this can be very cute). I think this makes us friends, pretty much by any reasonable definition.

    Meanwhile, I'm not quite sure what to make of the "climax in your pants with a girl on your lap" comment. I guess we all have different levels of excitability, or perhaps just different expectations from the experience.

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    OK, I have to disagree with everyone, even through that makes me the odd one out. I could NEVER kiss someone that I wasn't attracted to as part of any "hustle". That being said, I have kissed some customers in the past, on extremely rare occasions. Was that unprofessional? Yes. After all, I know that it's considered an extra. But I'm only human and at times I've been attracted to a customer or two. So it's entirely possible that she was just really into it and was enjoying the dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDeLarge View Post
    Many hookers DO kiss customers (especially those that advertise GFE).



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