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    Default My rant please read.

    Ok...I am posting this is response to all the "extra girl" posts i am reading.
    As we all know this is a big problem overall (although in some places more than other's)...there seems to be general agreement that flat out sex/handjob/blow jobs is just wrong for a strip club...
    Grinding/touching is very subjective depending on the dancer.
    In the mix of lapdances that vary with contact...i am sure there are an array of dancers that advocate the more "fantasy" aspect of lapdancing with little to no contact.
    For the girls that really are not comfortable with providing more touching/grinding ect ect....please do not,,,,i know this may seem like a no-brainer to some...but i can guarantee this isn't for all.

    PLEASE NOTE: I do not pass judgment on ladies who choose to grind more heavily and allow more touching than others...i really am not concerned about that.

    From what i have learned based on reading and actual experiance, the "limited contact-mystique" is headed downward. That is not to say it should be given up on... it shouldn't, it still has value in my opinion. The women who are still only comfortable with this should work what they have full force. We are the women and WE have the say. Do not settle bc of what the customer wants based on what he already can get... make sure you are always settling for what you WANT. For some, it may be more money which may mean more contact on a given night based on customers that night...for others it may mean staying within very limited contact just to give ur self the satisfaction that you were not influenced to do something you "did not want to" do (please note this is meant for the women NOT comfortable with heavier contact.)
    Still, the mentality that you have to go a "little" further to keep making money is what i believe can lead to strip clubs becoming full course brothels. Again this is just my opinion. Stand your ground.

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    This may sound stupid but I always thought lap dances were supposed to be light grinding. I always have felt uncomfortable doing this and Im glad I found this site b/c this is how I found out it doesnt have to be that way. I just really thought it was because that is what I saw and was taught by other dancers...
    Standing your ground is very difficult for me because I will have guys look at me like, thats it?? Ive even had some try molesting me as I back away everytime then in the middle of the song they say FORGET IT and walk off!! Its frusturating because I seriously see that Im the only girl like this where I have worked..

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    It all depends on your comfort level. I feel very comfortable topless with heavy grinding and I don't mind if a guy touches my legs, back or ass. I will not let them touch my breasts. I worked briefly in Key West and there was less grinding but it was full nude and the guys could touch your breasts (lick them too!) I was HIGHLY uncomfortable with that (the full nude dances and touching the boobs) and I had to leave that club after only 2 days. I said I couldn’t see how girls in South Florida could stand that but then again I guess I can see how girls who are used to no contact would be appalled at the level of contact I am comfortable with. You just have to know your comfort zones and then find clubs that work within that zone.
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    i have much respect and admiration for the ladies that give airdances or very low contact dancers because to be honest i know i would not be able to do that and make money. i work in a high contact club where there is very heavy grinding while nude and there is touching allowed pretty much everywhere on the girl's body. i am lucky in the sense that this kind of contact doesn't bother me at all, since i would not even know where to start to give a low contact dance. i agree that no one should ever be driven to do anything they are not comfortable with. also, for the record, not all guys just want the hard grinding, groping dance. there are many men out there who would prefer a good low contact dance (or many since i see them buy more back to back with the lower contact girls) over three minutes of repetitive grinding.

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    We are not allowed to grind at all in our club and we must have one foor on the ground at all times. At no times in our dance can we have out genital area touching them. This is about as low contact as we get in my town yet our club keeps busier than most and I haven't had many complaints at all.

    It has forced me to become a better dancer though. I used to rely on heavy grinding and such to make a good dance--Now I focus more on eye contact, constant smiling, running my fingers up an arm or neck... The thing is, I actually sell more dances in a row with low contact--whereas when it was higher contact, they tended to only buy one or two and then jet.

    Miss Lucious--That's funny because I just had a big spender customer from Key West who relayed the exact same thing you just said about his strip club visits there.

    --Our club is next to an airport so most of the customers are from out of town--And I always ask them about their club visits back home.

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    I work in a full-nude, full-contact club in Key West, but it is extremely strict otherwise--no HJs or BJs, even in Champagne Room, or they are instantly and permanently fired.

    I know it's hard on the women, but it is still infinitely preferable to my last club, where on any given night 60-80% of the dancers were sucking dick or fucking for as little as 20$ a song (or less for the 2-4-1s!). Those women were suffering, make no mistake about it--the ones who refused to suck dick most of all, perhaps.

    The guys will go on all day and night "Hey, it's their choice, nobody's forcing them to work there!", but the fact remains that being treated as prostitutes is extremely hard on women who are not prostitutes, and also on those who knuckle under and are more prostitutes than dancers.

    I think the grinding lapdance and the concomitant increasing demand for extras of all kinds is the worst thing that has happened to this business, by far. This has nothing to do with morality, but with the increased difficulty in working conditions for the dancers.

    If the average guy (with little or no self-control under the circumstances, it seems) is getting his dick rubbed, he wants more, this is just the way it is.

    If i had a club, there would be no lapdancing, period--but there are very few areas of the country where this could work. Apparently, Atlanta is one of them, which I was surprised and pleased to hear.
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    I think this all needs to be stressed to the new/younger dancer. Some of the cutest young girls are doing all sorts of things in the VIP room that they absolutely do not need to do in order to sell a dance.

    If I can get by without getting groped, so can anyone else. It's all about laying down your rules, and that can be done in a nice way. Sure, you might lose the occasionally customer, but you get to keep your self respect.
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    Djoser, I am now a believer that it CAN work anywhere, if the clubs are FORCED to do it. I mean by cracking down on the CLUBS, not just the girls. The CLUBS are the ones turning a blind eye and/or encouraging the sleaze. I no longer believe it's a local issue - I believe it's an ENFORCEMENT issue.

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    ive always worked in air dance clubs but hav recently moved to a club outside of the city centre and so the clubs laws seem to be a lot less strict and so i hav experimented with contact in my dances. i do not simply sit on a custy and grind for 3 minutes but i like that i can run my hands down his arms and on the back of his neck and brush my ass on his crotch as i kneel down between his legs and so on.

    for me, i like the fact that i can choose how much contact i want in my dance and i dont feel i am overstepping the mark. i dont need money so badly that i would do something that compromises my sense of self worth. hence why im not a prostitute.

    i completely agree that no one should do what they dont feel comfortable with. in my case and in my club, i find i get solicited for OTC sex quite often and i just tell the custy that im not that kind of girl.

    in fact, a lot of the custys respond to me because i seem to be more classy than a lot of the girls in my club. at first i thought i should "skank" myself up to fit in, but now i see that being exactly who i am and who i am comfortable being is the way forward
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    I think this all needs to be stressed to the new/younger dancer. Some of the cutest young girls are doing all sorts of things in the VIP room that they absolutely do not need to do in order to sell a dance.

    If I can get by without getting groped, so can anyone else. It's all about laying down your rules, and that can be done in a nice way. Sure, you might lose the occasionally customer, but you get to keep your self respect.

    I couldn't agree more. I wasn't sure if I was getting more prude or if the younger girls seem to be willing to do just about anything for a mere $20. I've worked in full-nude full-contact clubs (touch anywhere but in between legs) but what I see going on I simply cannot compete with. If all the girls would stick together, the guys wouldn't be expecting so much. It's too bad the mgmt doesn't seem to care either where I was working. I have no problem giving a damn good lapdance but come on...we're in a strip club! Why does it seem limitations are being tossed out the door?

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