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    Okay ladies, please tell me your views on the situation because I am completely confused, pissed off, and don't know who's in the wrong.. But then again, the dancer is always right.. Or at least from my point of view.
    Thursday. Slow night. Veeery slow night. Get the first victim in the back, and as always first things first - the rules. 20$, contact - meaning with your hands, ass and tits are fine, go anywhere near my cookie and well I'll basically put my 8 inch heel somewhere it doesn't belong. Compri? Thirty seconds into the song the bastard thinks it's fine to slide his hand in between my legs. Literally, right where the good Lord split me. "Buddy, this dance is OVER."
    "That's fine.. Good night."
    "No no, you must pay me first"
    "That's insane, you didn't even get naked!"
    Long story short, the bouncer (new guy.. LOSER) tells the dude to pay me, when the guy refuses the bouncer says he has to leave. Okay. Fair. I know you can't go into the man's wallet and pay the dancer. Big no-no. However, if you say to the guy somewhere in the lines of "Pay her or I'll break your face", if you tell him to pay, chances are - he'll pay.
    Shouldn't the doormen stand behind the girls 100%? Never, ever, in my three years dancing have I heard of a pervert who has clearly done wrong (he wasn't objecting to doing wrong whats-so-ever) walk out of the club with a smile on his face.
    What do you think ladies? I know it happens all the time but common! How are you going to tell the guy to leave while keeping a very respectful and apologetic voice?! Like it was my fault!
    Ughh!
    Sorry, had to vent.. Really though, I want to know what you think, was I right taking matters into my own hands and throwing a bottle at the asshole's head on his way out? Maybe not, but then again I have issues..
    (It didn't break.. sadly)
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    You should've let that bouncer know that he handled the situation wrong. If the girls tip bouncers at that club, no tip for him and tell him why. If it's not standard to tip bouncers there, you could take a "I reward you for helping me" approach: yeah hunny, your job is to help the DANCERS here. so in future, if you assure that kind of asshole pays me like he's supposed to, you'll be compensated for your efforts.

    It sucks that we have to pay these jerkoffs to do what they already should anyway, but that's the name of the game. A couple well-placed bill$ go a long way

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    Default Re: Is the customer ALWAYS right?

    The customer is ALWAYS wrong... at least in our industry. Ha. I'm j/p..... sort of.
    But no, seriously Bridgette is right, that bouncer should be put in his place. His job is to protect YOU.
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    Default Re: Is the customer ALWAYS right?

    I wouldn't say that the customer is always wrong, but in this industry he often is.

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    The phrase "The customer is always right" is a destructive business practice for any business.

    Businesses that take the side of their employees *most of the time* are more successful and have less turnover (therefore less recuiting and training expense) than companies that allow customers to walk all over their people.

    That phrase started as an advertising campainge back in the late 1800's in order to make people feel better about spending their money with a huge department store.

    The problem with this attitude today is that many people don't give a damn about the individuals who work or own the businesses. The feeling of entitlement and "Screw the Man" seems to spill over into every aspect of life. People KNOW they can get something for nothing without concequense, and therefore keep pushing the envelope.

    How about a new phrase: "The customer can spend his money where ever he wants. We want him to spend it here so we will work to earn his business."
    ^^I like that one better.

    As a side note, a customer isn't a customer if he doesn't spend any money.


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    Agreed with Paris 100%.

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    I wouldve thrown something too. I think the bouncer did the wrong thing, but the dancer is always right. fuck the customers.

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    Is the custy EVER right?

    seriously, this is bs. This is why I always try to solve it myself, that way even if you won't get the whole money owed you, you'll get some.. I'm amazed at how many times I've heard girls say they were ripped off, but they don't do anything about it! wtf?

    Once I was shorted 3$ on 2 dances..... but every other time I've been paid in full. Another time a custy couldn't get funny money b/c he hadn't signed the back of his cc. He went to an atm and tipped me extra, plus I had no funny money fee!

    but really, protect yorself from that. I'm always aware of where the custys hands are. always!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    How about a new phrase: "The customer can spend his money where ever he wants. We want him to spend it here so we will work to earn his business."
    ^^I like that one better.

    As a side note, a customer isn't a customer if he doesn't spend any money.

    I like your phrase better as well. It is more true and relevant to modern times.

    I also agree a customer is not a customer and only a patron or visitor until that person(s) spend money within the business.

    Unfortunately, in a strip club, alot of the time someone is judged as a customer as soon as they walk through the door if they have paid an entry fee to walk thru that door....... if no entry fee, as soon as she/he/they have purchased a drink(s).... and it can sometimes have nothing to do with a dancer.

    I know I dispised the "customer is right" crap when I worked in Hospitality prior to starting to work in this industry. I also refuse to work in clubs where it is pretty darn obvious that they take (the majority of the time regardless) the customer's word over a dancer's word. No matter who the dancer is (unless she proves otherwise), her word should be gold and the customer's word should be worth nothing.

    It is more about safety for the dancer than actually who is right and/or telling the truth.


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    What pissed me off the most is that the doorman is brand spanking new, and verrry built. Intimidating almost. Act like it! Don't be a big teddy bear, your supposed to work FOR the dancers, not for the sex deprived perverts... Ughh! I spoke to the bouncer after the incident (not willingly, but he was following me around the bar) and basically told him that he was in the wrong on dealing with the situation at hand. I told him that if you stand behind the dancer 100%, like your supposed to, the customer will have no choice but to oblige. The doorman stared at me like I was from Mars or something, like "What kind of crazy things does this girl think.."
    Fortunately we don't have to tip out nightly, and believe you and me, if we did I'd make sure none of the girls tipped out.. for the WEEK. It's sad really because I have had to take matters into my own hands several times (different clubs though) and what always crosses my mind is "Why do these bastards get paid.. We'd have more help with two dancers bouncing". Ahh the cons of being in this industry.
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    My thought is: if you make a threat about putting his hand near your cookie earns him a stiletto to the crotch, you should make good on that threat. Not piercing the scrotum or anything, otherwise what's the point of saying it.

    I typically get the money up front the first song, and then let them go a couple songs if they're getting multiples. Getting that first song, though, weeds out the fucknuts since they can't help but cross the lines during that first song.

    I don't necessarily blame the bouncer, but I would have been disappointed if he didn't at least photocopy his license (if possible) to ban him from the club, or just to verbally ban him from the club. As a big guy, I'm curious about the line he has to walk between doing his job and not getting in trouble. Bouncers can't beat the crap out of people nowadays, and I'm thinking they're not even able to threaten violence over something non-violent like this.

    I guess it just depends on what vibe you're getting from the guy: some guys I'd have no problem latching on to their ear and dragging their head down painfully until they gave me the money-- other guys, not worth the hassle or the risk.

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    This is why I have a problem with clubs that don't require up-front payment for the girls. I will not start until I get my money and this doesn't cause problems for me in getting a second dance - it only takes a second to pull the wallet out again.
    That way if they try anything inappropriate during the dance I walk away with their money and management will back up our decision on this every time.
    I think that bouncer made a very poor decision. That guy will probably tell his friends that he got away with it and then the problem just escalates.
    Our safety should always come first.

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    in our club it works like this:

    the dancer is always right. ALWAYS. if a certain dancer seems to have more troubles than others or gets more complaints from customers, THEN she might be "reviewed" but the club will continue to stick up for her till she is fired.

    this is the #1 reason i plan on staying at my club.

    i do my damnedest to give a great dance. i am VERY patient and i will "redirect" guys a time or two. i am in no way an easily "set off" dancer, so when someone pushes me to the point i have to ask a bouncer to do something about it, i damned well expect him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    in our club it works like this:

    the dancer is always right. ALWAYS. if a certain dancer seems to have more troubles than others or gets more complaints from customers, THEN she might be "reviewed" but the club will continue to stick up for her till she is fired.

    this is the #1 reason i plan on staying at my club.

    i do my damnedest to give a great dance. i am VERY patient and i will "redirect" guys a time or two. i am in no way an easily "set off" dancer, so when someone pushes me to the point i have to ask a bouncer to do something about it, i damned well expect him too.
    same here.... you can even just lie and say a guy touched you inappropriately and they'll kick him out..not that i would do that, but just to show how the club is...
    last time someone licked my boob and i told the bouncer. immediately he radios like 4 other bouncers, they all come in and grab the guy..make him pay me and even said, how about a tip for that free lick you had...
    there are cases where the guy wont pay or cant pay though.. if this is the case, even for only one dance, the manager will call the police.
    our club is tight with the cops so they come and take em away

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    Its why I only work with managers and bouncers I trust and know will back me up and if necessary arent afraid to call the police.
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    Am I the only one that finds this a situation where you are both wrong?

    You made the mistake of not getting his money up front. That is standard practice for any dancer that doesn't want to get ripped off. Because you made that mistake, you assaulted him? Where is the logic in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kali Doom View Post
    Am I the only one that finds this a situation where you are both wrong?

    You made the mistake of not getting his money up front. That is standard practice for any dancer that doesn't want to get ripped off. Because you made that mistake, you assaulted him? Where is the logic in that?
    Kali, i find in many of ur posts you dont read the entire post from the OP. She never assaulted the guy--she demanded payment after stopping a dance when the custy behaved wrong. she called the bouncer who told the guy to leave after unsucessfuly attempting to get him to pay.

    yeah maybe she should have gotten the money upfront, but it sometimes keeps the customers from buying more. its not standard practice everywhere--ive only worked in one club where they got the money upfront--a host collected it then gave it to us.
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    I hate bitch-ass bouncers like that! I've had bouncers let a guy walk right out without paying me for the $60 worth of dances (I don't know WHY anyone hires little wimps as bouncers, wtf) up to the guy who politely told him he HAD to pay (okay, I don't know exactly what he said, but it worked) and when the dude said he didn't want to use the over-priced ATM, walked his ass across the street and got the money out of him that way.

    Clubs aren't picky enough with their bouncers... and the customers are never right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxc_gia View Post
    was I right taking matters into my own hands and throwing a bottle at the asshole's head on his way out? Maybe not, but then again I have issues..
    (It didn't break.. sadly)
    I'm sorry that happened to you but maybe you shouldn't have thrown a bottle at his head...Although I have to admit I would have really, really wanted to as well but sadly I doubt the managers or cops would have taken your side about assaulting him.
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    yeah, that bouncer sucked. Sorry that happened to you Gia.

    Next time, try taking the guy's shoes. Seriously. It works for me with a-holes like that. No bouncer necessary. We can start an Ottawa stripper shoe-thieving vigilantism. No pay? no shoes!

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    But how would you get them off his feet?
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    It's best to try it while they're still sitting down, but you can do it while they're standing too. I use a variation of my old wrestling move (it was my golden move). You bend down, push into his waist while grabbing a leg just above the knee. You use one foot behind his standing leg to push back on, making him lose his balance. It's enough to get him hopping and then for you to pull off a shoe. Really, you only need on shoe to make it effective, but if you use enough force you can get the guy to topple, then both shoes are for the taking. The key is to be FAST like lightning. This move is all about the element of surprise. I guess the guy could get violent, but since it's not like I'm attacking him, he's more all "WTF?" before he knows what's happened. If that's hard to follow, you can google "single leg take down + wrestling" and maybe get a video instruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashaM View Post
    Kali, i find in many of ur posts you dont read the entire post from the OP. She never assaulted the guy--she demanded payment after stopping a dance when the custy behaved wrong. she called the bouncer who told the guy to leave after unsucessfuly attempting to get him to pay.

    yeah maybe she should have gotten the money upfront, but it sometimes keeps the customers from buying more. its not standard practice everywhere--ive only worked in one club where they got the money upfront--a host collected it then gave it to us.
    Actually I DID read the whole post. All the way down to this part..."was I right taking matters into my own hands and throwing a bottle at the asshole's head on his way out? Maybe not, but then again I have issues..
    (It didn't break.. sadly)"

    I don't know anywhere where throwing a bottle at someone's head doesn't equal assault. I didn't mean that it's standard club rule to get the money up front, I meant it was standard practice for any intelligent stripper. You can't not get paid from an asshole if you're already holding his money.

    Emotionally, hell yeah the dancer was in the right and the customer in the wrong. Logically, not so much. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that, and throwing a bottle at someone's head will always be wrong in the eyes of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    yeah, that bouncer sucked. Sorry that happened to you Gia.

    Next time, try taking the guy's shoes. Seriously. It works for me with a-holes like that. No bouncer necessary. We can start an Ottawa stripper shoe-thieving vigilantism. No pay? no shoes!
    Now this I like haha. SHOE RANSOM!
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