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    Whats the charge when you go to court for getting caught closer than 6in. in a lap dance? There were some undercover at work last night and we dancers -for the first time ever- were not aware of it. The cop on duty said at the end of the night a couple girls (prolly me and 2 others) need to be prepared to go to jail because we were seen.....sitting in a lap...wtf. anyways,thats a rule and i broke it last ngiht(or got caught breaking it) and i hope he wasnt referring to me but if he was....what am i faced with? i know it happens a lot...i just dont wanna go into court with the judge reading aloud "prostitution" or somethin crazy like that... anybody been arreseted or anything for this? or is it just my ghetto club..lol I also heard they take u in thongs and nothin else,whatever ur wearing..that jail is cold!!! haha anyways...not too worried about it, ive never been in trouble at work, i got bond money, just curious what ima deal with at court if they decide to get a warrant for us..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiomara View Post
    i heard they take u in thongs and nothing else..dont let u get dressed. can they do that??
    So, you'd basically be naked? I don't freakin think so. Lol, highly unlikely!
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    heh just what i heard that they did to one girl before.... i was arrested once before --the car thing--- and i had on a lil tank and little shorts (hangin around the house that day) and he didnt let me cover up at all! escambia county is dirty though...never know

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    I would think if they were going to arrest you, they'd have done it then....not days later....so if you are still a free woman I'd think you are ok(never been arrested though, so what do I know....)
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    If you are ever arrested and formally charged with prostitution or lewd behavior etc. get a good attorney. Luke Lirot is very well known in the Florida area. The trend on enforcing and then prosecuting prostitution and or violation of distance ordinaces are diminishing greatly as a result of the Lawrence vs. Texas decision as any good attorney will assist you with. More info here: http://www.sexwork.com/legal/LawrencevsTexas.html

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    Luke Lirot is in Tampa and I think she is in Pensacola. And he usually respresents club owners or is hired by them. That being said, there are many other good attorneys out there.

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    Reading this thread I have to wonder: With all that's going on in the world, with Identity Theft, child abuse, domestic violence, gun crimes, etc....do these undercover guys have nothing better to do?
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    From club owners and managers I have talked to they suspected that the government views strip clubs as a front in the War on Terror. The thinking is that strip clubs draw in a lot of drugs and people who deal in drugs. Drugs fund terrorist. Therefore, strip clubs are a place to cut of some funding for terrorist. I disagree with this line of thinking but it seems to be what the government is up to. Additionally, the Christian Right has or has had free reign for about 6 years now. They are dictating what actions law enforcement takes to some degree. Strip clubs are definitely on their list to shut down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwtex52 View Post
    Reading this thread I have to wonder: With all that's going on in the world, with Identity Theft, child abuse, domestic violence, gun crimes, etc....do these undercover guys have nothing better to do?
    Thats the thing , they are not afraid of a female stripper !! Thieves and REAL criminals pose a threat to the cops safety , they may risk their lives if they have to arrest one of those guys . That being said not all cops are bad .
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameronfl View Post
    I would think if they were going to arrest you, they'd have done it then....not days later....so if you are still a free woman I'd think you are ok(never been arrested though, so what do I know....)
    ^^What she said. I've never heard of undercover/vice cops coming into a club and not arresting someone that they saw was clearly violating the rules that they came there to enforce. They were probably trying to scare you, which resulted in you getting a roundabout warning. At least you know now to keep an eye out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawofficeofjaj View Post
    From club owners and managers I have talked to they suspected that the government views strip clubs as a front in the War on Terror. The thinking is that strip clubs draw in a lot of drugs and people who deal in drugs. Drugs fund terrorist. Therefore, strip clubs are a place to cut of some funding for terrorist. I disagree with this line of thinking but it seems to be what the government is up to. Additionally, the Christian Right has or has had free reign for about 6 years now. They are dictating what actions law enforcement takes to some degree. Strip clubs are definitely on their list to shut down.
    There you have it. GWB putting your hard earned tax dollars into a plan that ARRESTS you with them!

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    This may not be the norm but my story:

    I worked at a club where the undercover cops all came in, bought dollar dances and such had a fun time, left. They came back a week or two weeks later or so with warrants and took four girls in.

    I'm not sure all the details but that's how it went.

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    ^^^ Helle, your anecdote about cops not only 'scoping out' the 'action' but partaking in it themselves, and then different cops making arrests on a different night, is not unique.

    I don't know whether or not Pensacola has a local anti-dance club ordinance or not ... probably not or you would already be aware of it. Absent such an ordinance, that leaves Florida state public exposure or lewd conduct or prostitution laws. There was a legal change in Florida's interpretation of these laws over the last year, in that cops themselves are now allowed to be the 'complainant' in regard to filing such charges. Previously, it was necessary for a 'civilian' to originate such a 'complaint' before cops could investigate and file charges. With this new interpretation, busts like were then possible.

    Agreed that there is a small chance that any and all charges can be beat based on the Lawrence v Texas Supreme Court ruling. But this is NOT going to happen in a local court. For something like this to happen would require filing appeals before the state appellate and supreme court at the very least - a proposition which would involve tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of legal fees which the club is certainly not going to pony up ! Plus the Lawrence v Texas precedent does not affect state and local authority to regulate businesses ... thus where paid 'exchanges' are involved, while Lawrence v Texas may in fact support a dancer's right to provide sexual contact to club customers for free, it arguably does nothing in the way of a dancer's ability to charge the customer in exchange for sexual contact.

    What's likely to happen in a local court is that a deal will be cooked up between the club's attorney and the local DA ... which will allow you and other busted dancers to cop a plea in exchange for zero jail time only paying a fine that the clubowner will pick up the tab for. However, this will probably leave a 'guilty of a sex related misdemeanor' black mark on your permanent record. This is no big deal if you never plan on dancing in a city that requires dancer's licensing ('cuz they won't issue one), if you never plan on seeking a 'straight' job where 'other people's bodies, other people's children, or other people's money' is involved (i.e. employers that do a thorough background check on job applicants), provided you don't plan on moving to a jurisdiction that requires 'sex offenders' to register their address with local cops and to announce their presence to neighbors etc.

    Provided you were not busted for anything else in the next 3-5 years, you would probably also have the option of retaining your own attorney at that point and bringing a new court action to officially expunge your criminal record. The laws, conditions and time limits concerning expunging of criminal records vary widely from state to state though,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helle View Post
    This may not be the norm but my story:

    I worked at a club where the undercover cops all came in, bought dollar dances and such had a fun time, left. They came back a week or two weeks later or so with warrants and took four girls in.

    I'm not sure all the details but that's how it went.

    Thats exactly how it is in my club...they get a warrant and come get u whenever they feel like it..could be months later. Im calling Monday to see if I got one, if I do Im gonna go ahead and take my butt up to the station and get it over with.

    Its so much crime around here though..and they wanna mess with us for being 6in. too close to a paying customer??Kids missing...who the hell is searching while they gawk at us all night?Drunk drivers..who's lookin out while Im honestly tryin to pay my bills??

    And Id have to register as a sex offender??? WTF! I sat on his lap!
    Damn...with these(possible) charges I might as well be workin on the corner!

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    Before you go to the station your self get an attorney to represent you. Do not use an attorney that your club uses. There is a serious potential for conflict of interest. If you go to the police station yourself you might be arrested on the spot. If you get an attorney he will speak with the DA and see if charges are going to be brought. I am not sure how it is in Florida but most states have what is called a Grand Jury. A Grand Jury is a group of people summoned together to determine if charges should be filed against people. It could be that no one was brought in that night because Law Enforcement wants to bring this matter before the Grand Jury meeting in your county. An accused has no right to be present at a Grand Jury so you may not know about it until your are arrested. But if you get an attorney he maybe able to see if you are going to be the subject of a Grand Jury investigation. Here is a link to find an attorney in your area. http://www.martindale.com/ Attorneys use Martin Dale Hubble to find help from other attorneys.

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    Thx ^^
    I had planned on just turning myself in if I do have a warrant,and being arrested on the spot. I don't mind(although it sucks) taking responsibility for what I did, so getting an attorney would be a waste of money and other people time.I knew the rules and I broke them so no point in trying to argue something that I know Im wrong for.

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    How would they know your real name to have a warrant on file? Here's what I'd do: go to a new club.

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    All they gotta do is go ask the manager to see the copy of my license. Thats the point of having that picture ID I thought..match my face to the face on the ID, then get the name. The other clubs around here are waaay below mine as far as money and business,so Im staying. If I have a warrant, Im goin down anyways,no matter where Im at,if I get caught...

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    Xiomara- I respect your attitude but if you change your mind you could fight it and get a better deal. It is like negotiating over a car. You could pay the first price the dealer gives you or you could try to bring the price down and pay less. It is your call.

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    How could I fight it if I knew I was wrong and there is a set consequence for it? I mean... I cant go in there and say "well I wasnt sitting in his LAP I was sitting on his KNEE...." I was closer than 6in. and that was clear. Or I could say the cop lied? Is that what you mean?

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    Consequences are more fluid than you think, and become increasingly more fluid when one hires a lawyer.

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    Go with a lawyer.

    You really don't want to brand yourself as a sex offender for the rest of your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiomara View Post
    How could I fight it if I knew I was wrong and there is a set consequence for it? I mean... I cant go in there and say "well I wasnt sitting in his LAP I was sitting on his KNEE...." I was closer than 6in. and that was clear. Or I could say the cop lied? Is that what you mean?
    Well there are different crimes you could be charged with. I am not licensed in Florida and I do not know the specifics of Florida criminal law but most states have several crimes that could fit the behavior you engaged in. The worst likely would be prostitution, then you maybe lewd behavior, or public indecency. These "crimes" are all defined by statute and are pretty technical.

    If you had an attorney he could argue your "crime" down from the worst offense, possibly a felony, to something not so bad, a misdemeanor. You will serve less time or no time and pay less of a fine.

    If you go in on your own you will likely get a felony because it will make the DA look better and you will have a felony on your record for the rest of your life. You will have to disclose it on every job application, rental application, credit card application, mortgage application etc.

    Get an attorney and let us know how it goes. By doing so you may help another girl in a similar situation here.

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    Why don't you change your club, lifestyle, and how you raise your kids? You would avoid so much drama that you seem to draw to you.

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