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    well the club i've been at for 6 years. went from being topless, middle of the road two way contact. to being a full bikini air dance club!
    we've been threatend before but somehow it always goes by the wayside.
    this happend in a weeks time.
    the first baptist church pretty much owns jacksonville. they had a 165 murders last year but the church would rather stop someone from seeing a boob or a butt crack then worry about the crime in city.
    i'm at a loss and i cant believe they are actaully complying. i tried out a new club this week. it was just ok. i made such good money at my club and have 4 very loyal regulars there who come out everytime i'm in town. so basically i'm out of a job after 6 years. blah fucking religous right.

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    Ehh, sorry velvet. I know you really liked that club and did well there. It just flat out sucks to lose a good job over the so-called "morals" of such jerkwads. This is an example of why I disliked religion - can't just let people who are not bothering them live in peace, gotta fuck with their livelihoods, lifestyles, personal choices, etc. Ugh.

    Can you possibly travel to another city for greener pastures? I imagine the other decent JAX clubs will be flooded with girls now.

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    no it's citywide. jax is over unless they do something. i did travel this weekend a little closer but only did soso

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    Damn Baptists. Grrrr. They're the #1 reason I can't settle back home in Memphis.

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    Thank you for reminding me as to why i love my country so much... the baptists and religious right just can't get a foothold here in australia ... they just don't have as much 'power' as they seem to have over there in the US...


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    velvet have you actually read that ordinance! it says nothing about tits!
    it covers all other areas of the body including the "anal cleft" but it never says right out to cover your tits in the presence of alcohol. and its still being contested.
    i'm only doing private partys till this mess is figured out one way or another
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    that really STINKS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl View Post
    Thank you for reminding me as to why i love my country so much... the baptists and religious right just can't get a foothold here in australia ... they just don't have as much 'power' as they seem to have over there in the US...
    Well, our contry was (mainly) originally started by religious fanatics who escaped here to practice their religions as they saw fit. So it's no surprise to me that in the present time we're having to deal with this shit. Religion always was and always will be a huge driving force here. It's one reason I'd live almost anywhere else if I could.


    Velvet, that really sucks!! Although, maybe it's not the end for good. They cleaned up Atlanta clubs (at least the higher profile ones) by forced regulation and now it's actually a nice place to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    the first baptist church pretty much owns jacksonville. they had a 165 murders last year but the church would rather stop someone from seeing a boob or a butt crack then worry about the crime in city.

    ...so basically i'm out of a job after 6 years. blah fucking religous right.

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    This is an example of why I disliked religion - can't just let people who are not bothering them live in peace, gotta fuck with their livelihoods, lifestyles, personal choices, etc. Ugh.

    This is why I always hammer on the point. Orlando had a great SC scene up until the same thing happened to them about 10 years ago. The club in Flagler Beach Florida was picketed relentlessly, customers antagonized, and attacked legally by a church there, until it shut down.

    They won't stop, and the more cities they succeed in, the more they will want to try it elsewhere.

    Of course there's nothing bad about religon, strictly speaking--to each their own--but there's something unAmerican about religious groups shutting down stripclubs, or trying to legislate morality.

    I have many friends who refuse to see the danger, including many in the business. But I find it frightening and irritating as hell that these certain active groups are succeeding so well--and I still have a job.

    I'd be a lot more pissed if it cost me a job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    They cleaned up Atlanta clubs (at least the higher profile ones) by forced regulation and now it's actually a nice place to work.
    But was that due to the one club being such a big mob deal? Or was it also an organized church plan to change the laws?
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    Scott Bergthold aka (Community Defense Counsel) makes his living bilking taxpayers out of their hard earned $$$ (whether he ultimately wins or loses) in the guise of "protecting children and their families from the perceived harmful "secondary effects" of sexually oriented businesses. This moral-nazi fascist attorney is funded by Alliance Defense Fund- a right wing THEOCRACY based religious organization. While many of these ordinances are upheld at a local and sometimes state level, many CLEARLY are in violation of the EQUAL PROTECTION and DUE PROCESS clauses of our constitution when they are appealed. These ordinances typically fail to meet the "rational, intermediate, or strict scrutiny" tests under judicial review and it's hard to prove a "COMPELLING GOVERNMENT INTEREST" unless there has been more documented PROOF of the perceived "negative secondary effects" any more so than that of another business. When scruntized most stripclubs have far LESS police runs and incidents than that of convienent stores and any good club attorney can usually get these regulations ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL when they are appealed. This is not always the case, as there are many Scalia-Thomas type judges out there, but in lieu of the Lawrence vs. Texas decision, stripclubs in the USA should be less regulated in the future provided they can show the courts that the reality of the "negative secondary effects" theories is no greater than that of other businesses. Platinum Plus in Memphis, TN will have trouble reopening because of the many citations it has had, but the Missouri Supreme Court recently sided with the clubs. If your in Florida, LUKE LIROT is a great attorney to assist you and your clubs. Will be interesting, but my bets are on less regulation, especially when Bush is finally out of office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser
    Of course there's nothing bad about religon, strictly speaking--to each their own--but there's something unAmerican about religious groups shutting down stripclubs, or trying to legislate morality.
    Huh? There couldn't be anything MORE American than legislating morality. It's what we've been doing since the Pilgrims landed some 400 years ago. They left England in the first place because they couldn't legislate morality there!

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    i did travel this weekend a little closer but only did soso



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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl View Post
    Thank you for reminding me as to why i love my country so much... the baptists and religious right just can't get a foothold here in australia ... they just don't have as much 'power' as they seem to have over there in the US...
    As my Australian friends said during the Monica Lewinsky scandal: "thank God we got the criminals and they got the puritans!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by casaubon1 View Post
    As my Australian friends said during the Monica Lewinsky scandal: "thank God we got the criminals and they got the puritans!"
    LOL really. Only I'm NOT thanking anyone we got the puritans

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    Huh? There couldn't be anything MORE American than legislating morality. It's what we've been doing since the Pilgrims landed some 400 years ago. They left England in the first place because they couldn't legislate morality there!
    Well, yes, of course, lol...

    To ignore the pernicious, lasting Puritan legacy in the USA would be willfully blind.

    And the junior high history textbooks are quite fond of praising the noble Puritans for braving a long dangerous voyage to a frontier wilderness, in search of the glorious freedom to make everyone pray identically, and hang witches.

    But there was a strong enough backlash against this amongst the writers of the Constitution to put the freedom of religon bits in there.

    Some of those guys were pretty enlightened, like of course Jefferson, who wrote "the serious enemies are the priests of the different religious sects, to whose spells on the human mind its improvement is ominous."

    He was a deist and a humanist, something far away from the Puritan way. He believed in God, but not in the divinity of Jesus. He was a religious man, but did perhaps more for the cause of true religious freedom than anyone else in the country's history, by making sure the concept of the separation of church and state was recognized.

    That's what I was referring to--but then there tremendous numbers of Americans who apparently feel it unAmerican to work in or support stripclubs, as well. Like in Jacksonville, apparently...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Well, yes, of course, lol...

    To ignore the pernicious, lasting Puritan legacy in the USA would be willfully blind.

    And the junior high history textbooks are quite fond of praising the noble Puritans for braving a long dangerous voyage to a frontier wilderness, in search of the glorious freedom to make everyone pray identically, and hang witches.

    But there was a strong enough backlash against this amongst the writers of the Constitution to put the freedom of religon bits in there.

    Some of those guys were pretty enlightened, like of course Jefferson, who wrote "the serious enemies are the priests of the different religious sects, to whose spells on the human mind its improvement is ominous."

    He was a deist and a humanist, something far away from the Puritan way. He believed in God, but not in the divinity of Jesus. He was a religious man, but did perhaps more for the cause of true religious freedom than anyone else in the country's history, by making sure the concept of the separation of church and state was recognized.

    That's what I was referring to--but then there tremendous numbers of Americans who apparently feel it unAmerican to work in or support stripclubs, as well. Like in Jacksonville, apparently...
    When the issue of regulating stripclubs i.e. imposing 4 foot rules, limiting hours of operation etc. was put on the BALLOT in Seattle, WA & Scottsdale, AZ the voters REJECTED the fascist-minded city coffers and voted in favor of the clubs. I still believe we have more civil-libertarian minded citizens in our country that cherish our Bill Of Rights than the moral-nazi Theocrats from the Bush religious right. I wasn't really in favor of the binding ballot measures for stripclubs because a lot of the people that vote don't even patronize the clubs, but hey maybe we are better off putting the issue to the voters in the states that allow this rather than fighting these issues in court?? However, I think the clubs will win more when there cases are appealed on up the ladder partially do to Lawrence vs Texas, and also the hatred of George W. Bush.
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    'Countless judicial decisions and legislative enactments have relied on the ancient proposition that a governing majority’s belief that certain sexual behavior is “immoral and unacceptable” constitutes a rational basis for regulation.'

    Frightening words from Scalia's dissenting opinion, Lawrence vs. Texas. He was joined by the Chief Justice and Thomas as well in this. They came dangerously close to upholding atavistic sodomy laws, which would not only hurt the gay community, but anyone who wanted to have sex with any style or imagination. Want to have oral sex with your wife in your living room? I don't think so...

    Fuck Steven King--it was one of the most frightening things I have ever read, actually.
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    A long time ago the in the Mass. Colony, the Puritans ruled. They were never actually the majority of the settlers. As the colonists moved farther and farther westward the control of the Puritans started to slip. As more and more colonists came over from England their control slipped even further. Eventually the Crown and the people got fed up with Puritans and they slipped into dust bin of history.

    Eventually the same will happen again, this time with the Baptists and and the other bible thumpers. Its starting to happen even now. At least nationally their grip on power is slipping. Regionally, its going to be tough especially in the south. As the bible thumpers lose influence on the national scene I expect to see them get more and more strident regionally and locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    'Countless judicial decisions and legislative enactments have relied on the ancient proposition that a governing majority’s belief that certain sexual behavior is “immoral and unacceptable” constitutes a rational basis for regulation.'

    Frightening words from Scalia's dissenting opinion, Lawrence vs. Texas. He was joined by the Chief Justice and Thomas as well in this. They came dangerously close to upholding atavistic sodomy laws, which would not only hurt the gay community, but anyone who wanted to have sex with any style or imagination. Want to have oral sex with your wife in your living room? I don't think so...

    Fuck Steven King--it was one of the most frightening things I have ever read, actually.
    One of the many frightening things about George W. Bush is that he was quoted as saying "Our country needs more judges like Scalia and Thomas". I dread to see what our country would be like (and already is in some cases) with more Scalia and Thomas fascist clones on the bench.

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    laplover. i have known luke lirot for years. i WISH he was our attorney

    neko, if it doesnt say anything about tits why is my club saying you are fired if you show your boobs. you know where i am we have been topless for 6 years.

    paige, please come work on tues (its been better) i'm going to be there! i'm working locally for the next two weeks

    all... i feel like i've lost an old friend this shit really really sucks


    oh and please stay on topic no more political type posts thanks

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    Not being able to see Velvet's tits SHOULD be the real crime here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post

    paige, please come work on tues (its been better) i'm going to be there! i'm working locally for the next two weeks

    all... i feel like i've lost an old friend this shit really really sucks


    oh and please stay on topic no more political type posts thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    oh and please stay on topic no more political type posts thanks
    Ah... a group uses the government to ruin people's jobs and this thread isn't political?

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    LOL! Yep, I suppose it's stating the obvious...

    But to have three out of nine members of the final arbiters of the interpretation of the law upholding atavistic anti-sodomy laws is so frightening, I had to mention it.

    Now that this has been moved to Member Boards we can discuss it a little more freely, hopefully without getting everyone up in arms.

    Velvet, my apologies again if I contributed to the politicization of your thread. But I did stop until it got moved here.


    I really don't want to piss off or alienate any of my friends or fellow SW members (at least more than I already have, lol). But it constantly amazes me how the close alliance between people like Bush and other prominent Republicans with the Religious Right doesn't seem to bother the many Republican stipclub patrons out there, considering how much they would love to shut down our entire industry.

    Democrats are full of shit, too, of course--and one has only to remember the Governor of Michigan (who supposedly caught her husband going to stripclubs) and her campaign to shut down stripclubs in that state, to know that sexual repression is a bipartisan phenomenon.

    However, it seems quite clear to me that the active, organized, dedicated efforts of conservative church groups, closely allied to the Republican party, have already done tremendous damage to the stripclub industry. Certainly this is true in the state of Florida.

    I have no objection to anyone praying to Jesus, but using the name of Jesus to say you can't have stripclubs or other forms of adult entertainment, and lobbying successfully to make it illegal is wrong, wrong, wrong...
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