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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    I have never seen a girl who was too perfect to get tipped. That's just stupid. She doesn't get tipped because of her attitude - obviously if she thinks she's that perfect she has a shit attitude. Guys don't like bitches like that, no matter how "perfect" they look.

    The girl with the big ass, cellulite and mediocre dance probably gets tipped because she looks more fun.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

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    ^ exactly what i was trying to say too. no such thing as a dancer who can't make money because she's "too hot". that's not to say that some hot girls don't make money... but i highly doubt it's because of their looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    Ok I don't get this!! Im not arguing or criticising I just truly don't get it.
    Why do men wanna pay for the type of woman that they could possibly get in real life? Why don't you just go out and get that type of woman instead of coming into the SC?

    Since the SC experience is a fantasy why not go all out and have a fantasy with the type of woman who you know you could not get in real life?

    It's so annoying, I take good care of myself - healthy lifestyle, healthy eating, exercise, very well groomed and I go to work expecting to make money which I do but I'd like to make more. I am very friendly and personable and I get told the other night that he is too intimidated to get a dance with me WTF!!
    Then I see girls who don't even make that much effort - with their dress, grooming and some are just plain gross and guys get dances with them.

    I have been to a SC as a customer and I made sure I picked out the perfect 10, I would not have wasted my money on anything less.
    Maybe, just maybe, you aren't as charming or personable as you think you are. This is actually a hard one for us - it is not as hard to admit that another girl is prettier, but it is damn painful and little hard to believe that someone else is just more charming or, just preferable in an intangible way (at least this is true for me). When I'm working with a bombshell, it is easy for me to say "Oh, well, you can't compete with a skinny blonde with big boobs in a cheerleader costume", but it is harder for me to accept that there might be a different reason that a guy just prefers someone else ("What? So she could just be funnier or more personable than me? I don't know how to understand this... she must be doing extras...") As well, keep in mind that different guys just like different things, in appearance as well as everything else. Some guys fetishize certain attribute and are reluctant to deviate (I only like blondes/redheads/big boobs/non-white girls/white girls/slender girls/girls with accents and so on) and you can't be all things to all guys. So essentially - it is extremely doubtful that being pretty (or "too pretty") is cutting into your earnings; you are either earning at capacity or are presenting yourself "wrong" in some way (I mean wrong in an entirely subjective sense - I respresent myself as VERY wrong if we define "right" as likely to appeal to the most customers. I'm just not universally appealing, and making myself so would go entirely against my natural grain) but no matter what you look like, not EVERY guy is going to want you, or will be able to have you.

    Further, I would point out that telling guys what they OUGHT to want is a waste of time. Like you can prefer whatever strip club experience you prefer, but telling a guy that he is wasting his money because he likes a girl who is, in your opinion, more accessible to him in real life, is going to get you nowhere. Again - market dictates; you just have to accept that the market might not regulate itself the way you think it should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    Ok I don't get this!! Im not arguing or criticising I just truly don't get it.
    Why do men wanna pay for the type of woman that they could possibly get in real life? Why don't you just go out and get that type of woman instead of coming into the SC?

    Since the SC experience is a fantasy why not go all out and have a fantasy with the type of woman who you know you could not get in real life?
    Well, just for myself, I'm not into the Perfect10 model types either. So while I know I could not get one of those in real life, I can also say I wouldn't *want* one of those in real life. So I tend to get drawn to the more girl-next-door types.. I guess I take uber-cute over perfect-gorgeous any day..

    (let me qualify this: I'm talking strictly about looks, with personality not being part of the equation.. but speaking in stereotypes, the cute ones seem to have the better personalities anyway.. fair or unfair, that's just my observation to this point in life)

    As a good example, look how popular something like Girls Gone Wild is with us guys. It's like, what's hotter.. seeing a (by society's standards) perfect supermodel take her top off? orrrrrr.. the cute chick down the block flashing the goodies? I go with the latter..

    Maybe there's kind of a fakeness to perfection? I don't know. I do know I never *consciously* turn down a dancer because she's too perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    ^ exactly what i was trying to say too. no such thing as a dancer who can't make money because she's "too hot". that's not to say that some hot girls don't make money... but i highly doubt it's because of their looks.
    Well, there IS the case of an A/B girl in a D club - it's gonna be damn hard if not impossible for that girl to make much money. But other than that, yeah, no such thing as a girl "too hot" to make money - onstage or off. It's the attitude and hustle skill.

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    As I said in my post I am not arguing or telling guys what they should or shouldn't go for in a SC. I just wanted some explanations as to why they pay for the type of girl who they think they could actually get in real life.
    It's also nice to know that not all guys like the perfect 10 girls coz there aren't many perfect 10s (if any) in this world.

    I was also not trying to say that I am more charming than everyone else but what I do honestly know is that I am always polite to people, I actually do actively listen to what my customer is talking about, I have a great smile and yes I think I am quite funny. There are dancers at my club who are just plain rude, if a guy doesn't want a dance they will question them about why not and tell them where to go. I never act like this.

    Of course different guys like a different look and my look or anyone else's will not appeal to everyone - I never said this in my post anyway.

    I am glad if men prefer imperfections coz everyone has them whether looks or personality or a bit of both.

    The only issue I meant to raise in my post is the part about why men wanted to pay for the type of girl who they could get in real life.
    Maybe it's so the SC experience feels a bit more real? I dunno.

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    I agree with this pretty much. I think there are plenty of "too beautiful to make $?" type threads here which sort of proove that some girls do have a real hard time making money because they are viewed as "too beautiful". It shits me that so many people respond with "Oh its purely the dancers fault for having some sort of crap attitude or personality or for standing around not making the effort" cos really it often isnt the case at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Well, there IS the case of an A/B girl in a D club - it's gonna be damn hard if not impossible for that girl to make much money. But other than that, yeah, no such thing as a girl "too hot" to make money - onstage or off. It's the attitude and hustle skill.

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    Last saturday we had a new girl at the club. She was truly a perfect 10. She is the most gorgeous, beatiful, perfect woman I have ever EVER met in real life. I took a picture of her, and I swear, it looks like one of those pics you see in the magazines and you know they most have made a lot of corrections. Like making the girl look thiner, bigger boobs, eyes, etc. I was standing next to her, and I have to admite it, I felt so intimidated! but, at the end of the night, she made $400 and I made $800. We had a black out special, where all of us ask the customers if they want a lap dance, this girl asked a guy if he wanted to dance, he says no, so I'm thinking: "if he's not getting a lap dance from her then he doesn't want a lap dance at all" so I just walked away from him and didn't even bother to ask. and to my surprise, he stood up, and asked ME if I was available to dance for him....I was like....WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????

    this is something I still don't understand! Point is, yeah, hot girls don't always make the good money....and I still don't understand why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker View Post
    I agree with this pretty much. I think there are plenty of "too beautiful to make $?" type threads here which sort of proove that some girls do have a real hard time making money because they are viewed as "too beautiful". It shits me that so many people respond with "Oh its purely the dancers fault for having some sort of crap attitude or personality or for standing around not making the effort" cos really it often isnt the case at all.
    I think Bridgette was saying that there is, in some clubs, a low ceiling - so a "10" (and god, how it hate that) could be working to capacity and still only making $250 a night because that is what there is in the club. But again - she is limited because she is in a low-ceiling club, not because she is beautiful. And I would say that a bunch of threads saying "I'm too pretty to make money" proves nothing except that girls here have very high opinions of themselves and think that they SHOULD be making more money. It doesn't prove either that they are a) as gorgeous as they think they are, b) as charming as they think they are or c) aren't working to capacity already
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    The only issue I meant to raise in my post is the part about why men wanted to pay for the type of girl who they could get in real life.
    Maybe it's so the SC experience feels a bit more real? I dunno.
    I would say, yes, that is likely it.

    I wasn't attacking you, when I said - I actually meant it, truly, from my point of view. It is very hard for me to understand that another girl is more charming than I am - even though I know damn well that I appeal to a very niche market, intellectually. It is way easier for us to accept that another girl is getting the customer because she is hotter or has some physical attribute or because she is a bigger skank. Hence all the bitterness about the ugly/lazy whatever girls who make more money than the self-described hot/hard workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    The hotter you are the nicer you have to be, I think. You have to smile and encourage people to come to you, and same when you go to them. And really, same deal with the other dancers.

    YEP! It is totally the intimidation factor. I have been friends with some very hot/well put together girls that I thought were going to be total bitches upon first meeting them.

    I was sitting at an SC (as a custie) talking to a well-moneyed guy who was making the same comments about the girls walking by. Oh too stuck up, too snobby, etc.

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    I fully admit being biased toward the hottest chick(s) in the club, but attitude really does determine whether or not I'll spend on her, but frankly, I can't tell that until I start interacting with her, so the idea that you can just "tell" is friggin' retarded--it's another way for subby, lame guys to chicken out of approaching or being approached by a staggeringly hot chick that they could never approach OTC.
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    That must be problem!! I'm just too perfect!!

    Seriously, there is one guy at my club who actually seeks out girls with imperfections. His favorite dancer has slightly asymmetrical breasts. And I've had more than a few guys go totally crazy for the surgical scar on my torso. I asked one guy why and he said "It means you've got a story."

    In general though, I think there's always a trade-off for customers between looks and personality, with each customer assigning the weigh of his decision differently. I'd say with most guys, a good attitude can usually make up for being too perfect or not perfect enough. It's why we all love uppers so much. j/k

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    I like dirty calloused hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker View Post
    I agree with this pretty much. I think there are plenty of "too beautiful to make $?" type threads here which sort of proove that some girls do have a real hard time making money because they are viewed as "too beautiful". It shits me that so many people respond with "Oh its purely the dancers fault for having some sort of crap attitude or personality or for standing around not making the effort" cos really it often isnt the case at all.
    Really. I find it interesting (and a little insulting) that some girls think that this doesn't happen. I've experienced it firsthand, where guys just wouldn't buy from me, told me flat out I was "too pretty" or whatever, then proceeded to buy from some chic who was much less attractive, either because he figured she'd do more, or that attainability aspect, or the simple MISGUIDED notion that all pretty girls are stuck up bitches

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    I think Bridgette was saying that there is, in some clubs, a low ceiling - so a "10" (and god, how it hate that) could be working to capacity and still only making $250 a night because that is what there is in the club. But again - she is limited because she is in a low-ceiling club, not because she is beautiful. And I would say that a bunch of threads saying "I'm too pretty to make money" proves nothing except that girls here have very high opinions of themselves and think that they SHOULD be making more money. It doesn't prove either that they are a) as gorgeous as they think they are, b) as charming as they think they are or c) aren't working to capacity already
    No. I was saying that in some cases, a guy REALLY won't buy from a girl because she is too good-looking. He is intimidated, knows he could never get her IRL, thinks she must be a stuck-up bitch, thinks she won't do a "good dance", whatever. I've had guys tell me all these things, and then proceed to buy from some ugly chic right after. Also we've had guys on this very site say they gravitate toward "less perfect, more friendly" girls - many of them AUTOMATICALLY associate less attractiveness with more friendliess.

    I'm not talking about an earnings ceiling - I'm talking about the really hot girl making SHIT money - ie, MUCH LESS than the ugly girls - at a shitty club because of the attitude of the guys who go to said shitty clubs; they often won't even give her a chance.


    But still, it only happens with regularity at really shitty clubs. At least in my experience. So, if you're a girl who's waaayy better looking than the others at your club, and you're finding it hard to make good money, you'd be doing yourself a favor to get your ass to a better club!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Really. I find it interesting (and a little insulting) that some girls think that this doesn't happen. I've experienced it firsthand, where guys just wouldn't buy from me, told me flat out I was "too pretty" or whatever, then proceeded to buy from some chic who was much less attractive, either because he figured she'd do more, or that attainability aspect, or the simple MISGUIDED notion that all pretty girls are stuck up bitches
    Really? I find it interesting and kind of cute that you really think the reason a guy isn't buying from you is because you're too pretty. There are a whackload of reasons a guy might prefer another girl - from the fact that yes, she might be more charming (to that particular guy) than you, to more tangible considerations, like she might sit there longer with him before pressuring him for dances. It is much more likely the "you're too pretty" is a variation on "you're too nice" or "you're too..." anything as an excuse why they don't want you.

    No. I was saying that in some cases, a guy REALLY won't buy from a girl because she is too good-looking. He is intimidated, knows he could never get her IRL, thinks she must be a stuck-up bitch, thinks she won't do a "good dance", whatever. I've had guys tell me all these things, and then proceed to buy from some ugly chic right after. Also we've had guys on this very site say they gravitate toward "less perfect, more friendly" girls - many of them AUTOMATICALLY associate less attractiveness with more friendliess.
    Well, maybe I haven't worked enough REALLY shit clubs, because to me this seems really naive and self-aggrandizing, and, frankly, an excuse for being unsuccessful - kind of "I'm just too good to be a dancer, and that's why I'm not successful" line - and completely goes against everything I have ever experienced. Yes, in a night a couple of guys may turn down a proverbial perfect 10 because I look friendlier (and for the record, I look really, super friendly), but many, many more will turn down me for her. Like I said - you can't be all things to all guys, but being pretty does not hurt your earnings overall.
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    As I have said before, it is probably hard to believe if you haven't experienced it firsthand. Just don't sit there telling me I'm self-aggrandizing, or cute, or using excuses, or anything else. I've worked in a hell of a lot of clubs from shitty dives that most girls would be AFRAID to even go near, to world-class gentlemens club that girls would give their eyeteeth just for the CHANCE to work one night and I know wtf I'm talking about on this. I know damn well I can't be all things to all guys and I find it insulting to my experience and intelligence that you even feel the need to say that shit to me. I also know that there ARE some guys who won't EVER buy from a very good-looking girl simply because of stupid shit he thinks in his own head, and has ZERO to do with her because he won't give her the chance in the first place.

    I think it's incredibly naive to completely discount this as impossible. I wonder why you're so hellbent on proving this one wrong and I think it has more to do with you than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    As I have said before, it is probably hard to believe if you haven't experienced it firsthand. Just don't sit there telling me I'm self-aggrandizing, or cute, or using excuses, or anything else. I've worked in a hell of a lot of clubs from shitty dives that most girls would be AFRAID to even go near, to world-class gentlemens club that girls would give their eyeteeth just for the CHANCE to work one night and I know wtf I'm talking about on this. I know damn well I can't be all things to all guys and I find it insulting to my experience and intelligence that you even feel the need to say that shit to me. I also know that there ARE some guys who won't EVER buy from a very good-looking girl simply because of stupid shit he thinks in his own head, and has ZERO to do with her because he won't give her the chance in the first place.
    Well, I like my eyeteeth, and wouldn't give them up to work anywhere; and I absolutely have never worked anywhere anyone would be afraid to go near. So, as I said - it could be if I worked more and shittier clubs that I would have a better understanding of what you're talking about.

    But as I said - yes, there are a few guys who might refuse you because of that. There are a few guys who might refuse you because you're not Asian, and because you are not brunette and because you are not a gymnast. This doesn't mean that you can't work to capacity, and it certainly doesn't mean that you are not "making money" because you are caucasian, not a gymnast, and redhaired. Further, you might consider that you think you know what you're talking about - well, so do the rest of us, and I'm hardly likely to ignore my own anecdotal experience in favour of yours.

    I think it's incredibly naive to completely discount this as impossible. I wonder why you're so hellbent on proving this one wrong and I think it has more to do with you than me.
    Well, obviously - I'm "hellbent" because I BELIEVE it is wrong, and it goes against everything in my experience to say that a girl can't make money because she's pretty. You're right - it has NOTHING to do with you.
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    I know full well I'm not going to convince you I'm right. I just want you to stop saying it's impossible and accusing me (and other girls with similar experience) of such crap as being self-aggrandizing, and belittling my point of view as "cute". It's not fucking "cute"; it's an experience that is different and obviously wider than yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker View Post
    I am going to agree. There seem to be alot of wrong assumptions by customers about "beautiful" "perfect" looking girls.

    * That they make the most money anyway and do it so easilly/ that they get everything handed to them on a plate in life so why bother
    * That they're too intimadating to approach
    * That they will be stuck-up and bitchy
    * That they will be overly obsessed with beauty and looking good and quite boring once aproached
    * That they wont be interested in an average or below average looking customer
    * That in real life they would never speak to any man who wasnt equal in terms of looks etc so obviously when they do inside a strip club they are purely just gold digging
    and so on...

    IMO customers often prefur the more "girl next door" types as the reality for them is that in "RL" these are the sorts of girls they could well get to know and theyre less scared of approaching because of that. of course all customers are different, but these are things Ive heard more than once.
    I also agree that it may vary from club to club.

    I know for a fact that this is true. Men get intimidated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    I know full well I'm not going to convince you I'm right. I just want you to stop saying it's impossible and accusing me (and other girls with similar experience) of such crap as being self-aggrandizing, and belittling my point of view as "cute". It's not fucking "cute"; it's an experience that is different and obviously wider than yours.
    In terms of working in shit clubs, I will absolutely concede that your experience is wider than mine. However, I think you're being a little unreasonable in insisting that I limit my characterizations. If you may characterize other girls' (including mine!) experience as personally insulting to you then I think "cute" is well within normal and acceptable paramaters; and you certainly aren't above characterizing my experience and perception as being negligible or less than yours, and I'm not sitting here whining about it. So why don't we stick to the issue?
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    I find it interesting and kind of cute that you really think the reason a guy isn't buying from you is because you're too pretty.
    You seriously believe that some men in SCs (perhaps, especially in SCs) don't get intimidated by exceptionally attractive women, to the point where they refuse to interact with them out of sheer social paralysis and self-consciousness?

    Again, I ask you in all seriousness, Jenny; are we talking about the same industry here?
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    Jenny, I just wanted to add that you and I are in BASIC agreement. Being good-looking generally does not hurt a girl's money in this business and in most cases it's stupid for a girl to think she's "too perfect" to make money - I have said that in this very thread. But, like EVERY OTHER rule, there are exceptions. I'm merely pointing one out. You don't have to believe it. Just quit saying it's not possible; that's my only issue with what you're saying here.

    Yeah, I point out that my experience is broader than yours. Not to belittle (I don't call yours "cute" or "self-aggrandizing", for example), only to illustrate that I've experienced something you haven't, and therefore can speak to some things with which you are unfamiliar.

    You are one of the BEST at chiding girls for assuming something isn't happening just because they haven't seen it. I'd think you should be able to take that same advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker View Post
    * That in real life they would never speak to any man who wasnt equal in terms of looks etc so obviously when they do inside a strip club they are purely just gold digging and so on...

    Ding ding ding.

    All right let's get down to brass tacks. A lot of guys think the hottest girls are going to cost more $$$$ -- either because they will expect it because they are so hot, or they deserve it because they are so hot, or that we can't stop ourselves from turning it over because we are helpless once in the rapture of such hotness.

    So I think "uh oh, how much is SHE going to cost me?" explains a lot of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    Jenny, I just wanted to add that you and I are in BASIC agreement. Being good-looking generally does not hurt a girl's money in this business and in most cases it's stupid for a girl to think she's "too perfect" to make money - I have said that in this very thread. But, like EVERY OTHER rule, there are exceptions. I'm merely pointing one out. You don't have to believe it. Just quit saying it's not possible; that's my only issue with what you're saying here.
    Okay - let's just get along, okay? [cries] I just hate it when we fight
    I think what I meant was that being pretty wouldn't stop you from earning to capacity. So an isolated guy might find a girl to be "too pretty" or might have preconceptions about what that means, certainly; but I find it hard to believe that girl underearns because she is too pretty. It is not that I find it hard to believe that individual customers have quirks.

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