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    Default Illegal Alien Sues Radio Station for not giving her a free car

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...-ley25.article

    To sum it up, this half-wit "won" a radio station raffle of a Corvette used by some Mexican singer. They needed her to fill out tax forms since by law, you have to pay taxes on such a prize (much like winning a lottery, etc). She is an illegal alien, therefore, she could not provide the required social security # / Tax ID # / etc. She threatened to sue them at which point, the radio station's atty pointed out the fact that she is in this country illegally, and they will have no choice but to report her.

    Anyways, she is now suing them and since she is here illegally, is giving some sob story about having to go into hiding for fear of being deported.

    She is 22, been here since she was 7. However, she could NOT give the interview in English, even though she went to Chgo Public School on MY PARENTS PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS!!!! Gee, let me think about who paid the f*cking hospital bill after she had THREE kids here?!?! Part of her sob story is that she is far from her family (b/c she's in hiding) and she was diagnosed with breast cancer and cervical cancer. Gee, WHO WILL BE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HER TREATMENTS?!?!

    She obviously makes some kind of money to support her three children. So either she's A) stolen someone's SSN to get paid 'legitimately' or B) she's working for some pile of sh*t company that pays her under the table. I mean, she obviously feels that she could afford the taxes on that car (roughly $900 for every $10K the car is valued at). I imagine she'd sell the vehicle, but let's just say for sh*ts and giggles that she kept it .....how would she pay the upkeep, the insurance, etc?! Yes, that's right ....with illegally 'earned' money! (Although I'm just gonna speculate that she probably wouldn't get insurance and just let the american public foot the bill after she crashes it and ends up in the hospital or killing someone else)

    This lady is a pile of sh*t criminal, and I'd love it for her to be deported. She deserves nothing from the US. We've given this half-wit more than enough, she's abused our system more than enough .... and she has the nerve to now sue a company over this?!?! I'm so glad she can tie up out legal system even though she is not even a LEGAL resident of this country. I am so sickened by this. If this radio station gives in somehow or if the courts side with her, I think my head will explode.+


    Disclaimer: I am not against immigration, I am against illegal immigration. I am against my tax dollars going towards people like her. I know people close to me who have been deported, only to come back to the US and do it LEGALLY. Those are the kinds of people I respect and admire.






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    Default Re: Illegal Alien Sues Radio Station for not giving her a free car

    She's a pile of shit criminal because she was brought here when she was seven years old, and was badly educated in the American school system? Wow, you're harsh.
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    Default Re: Illegal Alien Sues Radio Station for not giving her a free car

    Yes, I think she's a scumbag. (and no I don't blame her education for her unwillingness to speak a word of english)






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    Hear, hear, Kitty! I'm sending this article to here in SoCal. They go nuts over stories like this.
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    I couldn't even believe it when I heard this story on the news this morning. I've been fuming all day.

    (Sidenote: I clicked the link, and I just have to say that I feel so bad for those border patrol guys. That's another thing I couldn't believe when I heard it. What is this country coming to? B/c of political correctness, we're letting illegal immigrants control our country....it's disheartening)






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    Freaking stupid...that's all there is to say about this story.

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    Default Re: Illegal Alien Sues Radio Station for not giving her a free car

    So wait, she's sueing because she never took the steps to become a citizen and therefore can't provide the info needed to claim her prize?

    Lovely.



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    Default Re: Illegal Alien Sues Radio Station for not giving her a free car

    Isn't it?


    And people have been all over the radio and TV here ON HER SIDE!






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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    So wait, she's sueing because she never took the steps to become a citizen and therefore can't provide the info needed to claim her prize?

    Lovely.
    Well... they were willing to sell her the ticket. If she could not speak English it must have seemed obvious that she didn't have a SSN. Maybe they shouldn't be selling lottery tickets to people who they know/suspect can't collect the prize? Isn't that kind of taking advantage? I'm on her side. She was brought to the US when she was 7 - just to stress that no matter how you feel about immigration or illegal immigration, she was just a little girl who didn't really make any choices to break the law.
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    Default Re: Illegal Alien Sues Radio Station for not giving her a free car

    It wasn't a lottery ticket, I was comparing the tax on prize winnings to the tax on lottery ticket winnings. Just because she's been here illegally since she was 7 doesn't excuse her from evading taxes and trying to become a legal citizen. She's been here long enough, she could have done something about it. Furthermore, I don't believe she has the RIGHT to sue for this.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello_Kitty27 View Post
    It wasn't a lottery ticket, I was comparing the tax on prize winnings to the tax on lottery ticket winnings. Just because she's been here illegally since she was 7 doesn't excuse her from evading taxes and trying to become a legal citizen. She's been here long enough, she could have done something about it. Furthermore, I don't believe she has the RIGHT to sue for this.
    You said it was a raffle ticket. They sold it to her, having SOME idea (if she couldn't speak english) that she may not have a SSN. You can feel any way you want about immigration, but taking someone's money while having no intention of delivering on the service - even if it is the chance of a service is still fraudulent. That doesn't seem right to me.

    On any normative, social level, I would say it does excuse her, but that doesn't change the relationship between her and radio station. I see a very young woman who was brought here as a child and is likely very worried about going to authorities because she could a) get family members in trouble and b) be deported, neither of which are very appealing. Americans (and Canadians, for that matter) can be all "we have to look after our own first" - whatever that even means - but it is wholly irrational to expect the rest of the world to embrace their poverty and say "Well, that sounds fair".
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    Default Re: Illegal Alien Sues Radio Station for not giving her a free car

    The sense of entitlement in this country is staggering.

    She is not qualified to receive the car and certainly not qualified to sue the radio station who it's self must go by the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    ...Americans (and Canadians, for that matter) can be all "we have to look after our own first" - whatever that even means - but it is wholly irrational to expect the rest of the world to embrace their poverty and say "Well, that sounds fair".
    Interesting, as my father taught me if I ever married and had children(which I never had any interest in doing), that "It's your responsibility to take care of your wife and children first, and then yourself, before anyone else." Of course, that could be because my dad was over forty when I was born.

    Before I get involved in this discussion, though, I have a question for you about Canada. Does the Canadian government tax prizes from contests there? I know my mother once told me about some game show here in the U.S. she enjoyed, which I don't remember. Something about couples winning their "dream house," or their choice of the equivalent amount of cash to build the house they'd just won. I guess the game show didn't last that long, according to my mom, when she read something about how this turned into an IRS tax nightmare for those couples who chose their dream homes instead of the cash equivalent, part of which could have been used to pay the tax bill.

    I bring this up because it isn't conservatives who usually want to "tax everything in sight" (e.g., former President Clinton's proposed, and failed, BTU tax).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    She was brought to the US when she was 7 - just to stress that no matter how you feel about immigration or illegal immigration, she was just a little girl who didn't really make any choices to break the law.
    And she's 22 now. What's her excuse? She has three children who I would assume were born here so why hasn't she taken the proper steps to become a citizen? Give me a break.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ View Post
    Interesting, as my father taught me if I ever married and had children(which I never had any interest in doing), that "It's your responsibility to take care of your wife and children first, and then yourself, before anyone else." Of course, that could be because my dad was over forty when I was born.
    Well, there is a big difference in applying that to your person and applying that to a nation. And like I said - you can have any opinion you want on whether or not it is appropriate at the national level, but still - not rationale to expect impoverished people in Mexico and the Phillipines to say "Well, yes, I can understand that point of view. I suppose I'll just stay here and hope that World Vision gets here eventually." Point is - wholly irrational to expect a 22 year old woman who was raised there and has children there to risk getting herself and her parents and family deported, especially as people in a position like that generally fear and distrust authority figures.

    Before I get involved in this discussion, though, I have a question for you about Canada. Does the Canadian government tax prizes from contests there? I know my mother once told me about some game show here in the U.S. she enjoyed, which I don't remember. Something about couples winning their "dream house," or their choice of the equivalent amount of cash to build the house they'd just won. I guess the game show didn't last that long, according to my mom, when she read something about how this turned into an IRS tax nightmare for those couples who chose their dream homes instead of the cash equivalent, part of which could have been used to pay the tax bill.

    I bring this up because it isn't conservatives who usually want to "tax everything in sight" (e.g., former President Clinton's proposed, and failed, BTU tax).
    I think (and when I say that I mean I'm far from sure) that lotteries and raffles here are usually designated as charities, and in that case no? I don't even know about game shows. It really doesn't matter, because the issue was not that she refused to pay the tax; the issue (as I would characterize it) is that they sold her a service knowing or suspecting that she would not be able to avail herself of that service, then when she tried to assert her right, turned her in to immigration. And, incidentally - they DID have a choice. They did not HAVE to turn her in. They did that solely because she tried to stand on her rights. Not nice at all, considering that the ticket was sold to someone who was obviously not a citizen (or at least someone who would raise viable suspicion). Like, come on - no matter how you feel about immigration, this particular set of facts is really picking on the proverbial little guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    And she's 22 now. What's her excuse? She has three children who I would assume were born here so why hasn't she taken the proper steps to become a citizen? Give me a break.
    Her excuse would be that a) she probably fears authority figures, b) has no inherent right to stay and so would be risking deportation and c) would be risking deportation for her family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    The sense of entitlement in this country is staggering.

    She is not qualified to receive the car and certainly not qualified to sue the radio station who it's self must go by the law.

    Very true!!!! You know the shit's hit the fan when even illegals feel a sense of entitlement

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    I just want to state that MOST contests state in the fine print that you are only eligible to play (at your expense either way) if you are a LEGAL RESIDENT of the US, along with other disclaimers.

    She shouldn't get the car. She would have realized that she wasn't eligible had she known how to read english...and the fact that the station sold her a ticket...it is NOT the station's responsibility to know if someone's elgibile. The fact that she only speaks spanish is not indicative of her residency status. There are lots of legal immigrants who do not speak english, so saying, "it should have tipped them off that she's not legal by the fact that she only speaks spanish" is not a valid argument. It's the individual's responsibility. Just like if they won the lottery...if you're not a legal resident, you don't get it.

    Crying about how "disadvantaged" you are when you are living off of the country you are not a resident of, is pretty bad. She's most likely living off of welfare (because although SHE is not legal, her children are and the state would still pay HER for THEM). So, she should be punished in some way...deportation, I don't know about because now you are adding 3 children, who are legal citizens, into the mix.

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    Jenny---the contest was on a Spanish language radio station so it's quite likely that most of the ticket buying/selling interactions were conducted in Spanish, with no suspicion about nationality.

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    I appreciate your point that it would be really onerous and potentially extremely offensive for the vendor to have to ascertain the the legal residency of all buyers (especially as, as DR points out, probably many interactions are done entirely in Spanish).

    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess View Post
    I just want to state that MOST contests state in the fine print that you are only eligible to play (at your expense either way) if you are a LEGAL RESIDENT of the US, along with other disclaimers.

    She shouldn't get the car. She would have realized that she wasn't eligible had she known how to read english...and the fact that the station sold her a ticket...it is NOT the station's responsibility to know if someone's elgibile.
    No, but this is, in my opinon (and I know, the rest of the world REALLY cares) kind of a problem with contracts of adhesion - that people are agreeing to things that they don't know they are agreeing to, and moreover things to which nobody would ever agree to if they understood it to be a condition. Like, here there was a case in which a guy rented a car and paid extra for enhanced insurance, to find after he got in an accident that the "enhanced" insurance was, more or less, the same. So he paid for, essentially, nothing. Keep in mind that contracts are meant to do the will of the parties - not enable one person to trick another into giving them free money. So think about it - would she (or any reasonable person) have agreed to buy the ticket if she had known that even if she won she wouldn't be able to collect? Maybe there is a problem there, then. And even regardless of that - reporting her to immigration was purely punitive.

    As for immigrants feeling "entitled" - look at it this way. If I were not a legal resident of Canada and bought a set of tickets for St. Margaret's (that's $100), and then did NOT win, so I went back and told them that I was not a legal resident, but in fact a criminal and that they couldn't have a valid contract with a criminal so I wanted my money back - would the contract be valid then? Or does anyone think that they should have to give me my money back, since apparently laws don't apply when you're an illegal immigrant, and I'm incapable of entering into a contract? I'll be impressed if anyone says "yes".

    Crying about how "disadvantaged" you are when you are living off of the country you are not a resident of, is pretty bad. She's most likely living off of welfare (because although SHE is not legal, her children are and the state would still pay HER for THEM). So, she should be punished in some way...deportation, I don't know about because now you are adding 3 children, who are legal citizens, into the mix.
    I find it interesting that you say that... why is that "most likely"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Her excuse would be that a) she probably fears authority figures, b) has no inherent right to stay and so would be risking deportation and c) would be risking deportation for her family.
    She has three kids who I would assume (seeing as she's been in the country since the age of 7) are US citizens through birth so why would they deport her family? Being the mother of three kids born in the US and thus citizens would no doubt make it highly likely that she could also become one before they'd deport her leaving the kids here without a mother.

    *ps - Sorry if that's disjointed or rambling but I have a metric ton of cold medicine slopping around in me at the moment.



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    It's not particularly rambling.
    They've done it here - ordered a deportation of a woman with 4 young Canadian children. The recommending officer didn't like breeders and took theh attitude that her being separated from her kids wasn't "our" problem. I'm being a little flip, but that is literally what happened. She wound up being allowed to stay, but it was a BIG thing. And I haven't actually done a comparison, so I don't actually know what your laws are on H and C grounds, but you guys just aren't known for being, you know, NICER than us on issues of immigration. So, yes, she still has something to worry about.

    I was also referring to her PARENTS, possibly brothers and sisters, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    It's not particularly rambling.
    They've done it here - ordered a deportation of a woman with 4 young Canadian children. The recommending officer didn't like breeders and took theh attitude that her being separated from her kids wasn't "our" problem. I'm being a little flip, but that is literally what happened. She wound up being allowed to stay, but it was a BIG thing. And I haven't actually done a comparison, so I don't actually know what your laws are on H and C grounds, but you guys just aren't known for being, you know, NICER than us on issues of immigration. So, yes, she still has something to worry about.

    I was also referring to her PARENTS, possibly brothers and sisters, etc.
    Fair enough...

    However I still feel like as an adult she should step up and act like one.
    As for her being worried about being deported; she wasn't worried anough to avoid being on the radio or drawing attention to herself through a contest.

    There's just excuses for everything now-a-days, no ones accountable anymore.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirona View Post
    Fair enough...

    However I still feel like as an adult she should step up and act like one.
    As for her being worried about being deported; she wasn't worried anough to avoid being on the radio or drawing attention to herself through a contest.

    There's just excuses for everything now-a-days, no ones accountable anymore.
    I get what you're saying in a way, but in another way... they took her money for this "service" and then turned her into immigration because she actually wanted what she did, in fact, pay for. What is THEIR accountability? Why are we always so eager to slam weak individuals with "accountability" and by that excuse stronger, more able bodies FROM accountability? Doesn't that seem weird to you, as a cultural trait?
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    I agree with Sirona- she sure wasn't too afraid to be in a contest PUBLICLY and then sue PUBLICLY.

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