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    Inspired by the direction of my recent post about non-tipping, non-buying guys who want to yammer on at you all night asking your "real" name and trying to see you OTC, I thought I'd start a rant thread about the dancers who are willing to humor them.

    I see it happen every night, all night. I don't understand it one bit. There are guys who come in with no intention of spending money on dancers and dancers will sit with them for-EVER. Sometimes it's the lonely hearts. Sometimes it's a group--such as those groups of guys (you know 'em) who come in several times a week and think they're really cool 'cause they're all down with the club happenings and know everyone.

    When I first started dancing I was puzzled as to why dancers would sit with them all damned night and not get tipped. After dancing a while now, I'm still wondering.

    It pisses me off more than extras because it's more prevalent at my club than extras. Why would a guy pay me for dances or just to talk to him when Peaches over there will sit with him all night for free?

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    In my experience those girls are:

    1) New and don't know the game
    2) Buying drugs from one of the guys
    3) Screwing one of the guys
    4) Just stupid and actually don't want to make money


    There is a woman in my club who is smart, she knows how to make money and that's what she's there to do. However, there is a customer who used to spend a lot of money on her until he started dating one of the girls from our club. Now he comes in with the gf, and they don't spend money on dances, or they spend very little. This woman still sits with him. For a looong time, not just to be polite and make small talk. I'll see her sit there for over an hour, maybe even two. I don't get it, I know for a fact he's not paying her, so does she just not want to make money? That has to be it.

    I can be at home and not make money and sit on my ass, why am I going to do that at work?

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    At my club the main reason is to look busy so the hostesses don't pick on you and hassle you "to go talk to someone/sell a dance/get on stage". That's the main reason .. then followed by lack of experience or sales ability.

    I refuse to stay standing around or even near a guy or group of guys for more than three songs. It is more than enough time for them to make up their mind about whether they will partake of my services. I will re-approach them again later, if need be, two more times and then that is it. I will avoid them as they have had plenty of chances. They can come find me.

    At the same time, the club up in Darwin, it is kinda standard practice to sit and site and sit with a patron for ages before they take you for ONE dance. It isn't a huge club and it is never really super busy enough for a different hustle.... and even when it is.... it is full of "regulars" or "nightclub" type of patrons.


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    Urgh. These girls annoy me. When I first started, I almost got tricked by it 'cause Id see a regular come in alot and girls would be all over him, so Id be like hey thats what we do to make money at this club - but the guy never gave em a dollar. Never tipped the stage. Never bought a dance. I talked him into a few dances and when it came time to pay he was like "Oh, I didnt realize this was about the money...I thought we was coo"...haha. Yea right.

    These girls need an instruction manual I guess because by my 2nd night I knew better than this, if not the first. Lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina6 View Post
    In my experience those girls are:

    1) New and don't know the game
    2) Buying drugs from one of the guys
    3) Screwing one of the guys
    4) Just stupid and actually don't want to make money
    yep! that's it in a nutshell, but to add to #4. It's not so much stupid (but that's part of it) it's that they are just resorting to failure because they fear rejection or being successful. I think there are certain people that feel they belong at the bottom of the totem pole.

    also, #5
    buying them drinks
    I can't fathom this thinking, "there's no money out there, so I might as well get drunk." Wrong on so many levels!

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    i hate it. i hate it because it makes them think it's ok to come in and not spend money. this happened to me at work 3 days ago. a group of 3 guys came in when it was slow. 2 girls sat down with them, and i joined. they were really into us.. one was VERY into me it seemed. i gave it 3 songs since #1 they had -just- gotten there and #2 there wasn't anyone to talk to who didn't have a girl sitting with them already. so after 3 songs i start mentioning dances. they completely blew me off and kept chatting. i watched one of the girls sitting with us go on stage... i mentioned we should go tip her... none of them got up. then -i- went on stage. none of them got up. i came back, saw they had bought me a drink (OH YAY A FUCKING DRINK WEEEEE *rolls eyes) so i said thank you and shortly after, brought up dances again. they were like "not right now" so i excused myself.

    about 30 minutes later one of the 2 girls STILL sitting with them asks me in the back "why did you leave??? they really liked you!!" (shes new btw.. the other girl is not) and i said "have they spent ANY money on you" she replies with "they tipped me 2 dollars" ..............................................

    .............................................

    by this time the club was getting fuller. i told her she should move on to someone spending money and she says "but they're so nice". i'm like "look hon, you just made 2 dollars for an HOUR.............."

    she just stared at me with a puppy dog look like "what did i do?"

    *bangs head against wall*

    anyway, they both sat there for about another hour while the guys bought them drinks. each of them walked away with about 10 bucks.

    in made another 100 in that hour.

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    oh and i wanted to add that, many of the times i've seen this it's because the girl is eiter

    A. supported mostly by someone else (parents, boyfriend, etc) so she treats the club like hangout

    or

    B. needs the money, but is really stupid and/or more interested in drinking and parying. these girls usualy wind up crying, while wasted, in the dressing room at the end of the night because they didn't make enough.

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    Default Re: What is up with this?

    Thanks for this thread i need to rant about it too.
    yes new girls can be forgiven coz it is hard to have the confidence at first and to learn how to get your sales pitch right.

    I think in a previous thread GCG said something like once a customer takes control of the conversation thats it the dancer has lost - probably said it more eliquently than that but i think it makes a good point.
    when you are new u dont know this and you dont recognise straight away the time wasting and manipulative behaviour that customers do.

    there are a few girls in my club who are so bad at this that even when we are totally packed with customers and its just wanna dance or not even that it lately on saturdays its been guys waiting outside the private area to grab dancers for dances and where are these girls? pleaseeeeee they are sitting down with a customer chatting for ages!!!
    ahhhh they need to just give up and go home.
    i mean when its that busy there is no need to sit down with a customer.
    at the start of the night its a different story and you will need to spend a bit more time with them but these girls will never learn.

    i agree with the reasons too:
    - fear of rejection
    - fear of asking for that dance so they just keep chatting chatting chatting and miss every point where it would have been the perfect time to ask
    - some girls are definately pleased with just getting free drinks all night

    and i need to add another one

    - security of a familiar face: yes we all know it. the guys that come in so often that they become that familiar face that certain girls feel comfortable being around. now there are a couple like this and certain girls go up and give them a kiss and a hug - these guys at the most only ever offer free drinks no tips, never get dances!
    i dont mind saying hi and having a quick chat if there is NO ONE else in the club but if there is a potential customer around then forget u mate.

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    Default Re: What is up with this?

    I avoid club regulars like the plague because all they do is sit up at the bar and drink all night and never tip or buy dances. If it's a regular of mine who takes me to VIP or buys a lot of dances, that's one thing but the ones that are in 3-6 days a week to just hang out, I don't even give them the time of day, they're a waste of time, I can't understand why girls do that. WHen I first started, I had a hard time with everything and would sit much longer out of fear of rejection or thinking he'll ask me for a dance in a few minutes and learned very quickly that if he hasn't asked by song 3 then get the hell out of there and song 3 being it's on the slower side, on a busy night, it's no later than the end of song 1, after that, NEXT!!!

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