I mean we all sit here and ponder how to sell it to you gentlemen. How about some feedback. Do you buy champagne and VIP's or not? How do you want to be approached with it? What would be a good technique and would make you buy it??? Just curious.





I mean we all sit here and ponder how to sell it to you gentlemen. How about some feedback. Do you buy champagne and VIP's or not? How do you want to be approached with it? What would be a good technique and would make you buy it??? Just curious.




As a general rule I visit 3 clubs. Only 1 has VIP. Have never been in. Lately I've been focusing my time in 1 club that doesn't have VIP, b/c I like to see someone in particular there.
I have a certain time and money budget that VIP does not fit into. I'm a once-a-week reg who spends between 150-200 each visit, usually 1-2 hours per visit. Not a high roller, sure, but also not a cheapskate making you work for that dollar. A regular contributor to a pretty good day once a week. I can't fathom spending more than $50 for a bottle of champagne -- much less significant three figures! I hate champagne, anyway.
So I guess I could go once a month and afford a VIP, or I could have 4 pretty good visits a month and have a great time at each. Which would you pick?
P.S. To directly respond to your question, nothing would make me buy it. I know the drill enough now to know what I want, and how to get it, without spending that type of $$$.
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I do see your point. However, it definitely wouldn't hurt to spend an hour with a very lovely girl with great conversation skills and dance skills to go along with it. Yea, it may be expensive but well worth it
But I guess I should direct my questions to those who've done the VIP thing before. And no offense to you Everyman, but I need a few tips from the guys who have indulged.
Heh, I... on the other hand, literally bought them to chill. I bought one VIP with tampadancer to give her a break and hear her do her impression of how her dog poos running.With finger gestures and everything.
It's sad I'm sure, but it's my money, and VIP is about me, and though there will be some dancing, I generally pay for:
1. Quit-er atmospher
2. The illusion of privacy.
3. To give/get a back rub.
4. A great fucking conversation.
But in the lonely VIP I cry....the tears of a clowwwwnnnn
People are not ruled by their memories.





^ now that song is in my head.



I pretty much agree with Everyman, the VIP in my view just isn't worth the cost. Maybe in other locales it might be different, though I doubt it, but in the St.Louis area clubs it just doesn't seem worth it.
From what I understand its not worth it for the dancers either. The clubs take too big of a cut. Back when I first started going to see the fav I inquired about the vip. She put it to me pretty bluntly. I pay X amount of money, the club subtracts Y and she ends up with Zshit. On the other hand if I wanted to spend that kind of money on her she'd be glad to keep me entertained in the private dance area. The downside of that was just the breaks for her to go up on stage and that was all right with me. Especially since I really liked some of the things she did on stage!
Maybe one important difference though is the private dance area of the club. In her club you had to pay an additional fee to go to lap dance land. The LD are done in booths which are pretty darn private and comfortable! We could do dances and then just sit up there and talk and not be bothered. If I was in a club where the LD were done on the main floor then I might be more inclined to do a vip.
Now that the fav has stopped dancing I am going to another club. But its pretty much the same deal there. Last time there I met a sweet young (22 which is younger than I normally spend time with) blonde dancer. We got to talking about the club and I inquired about the VIP since I'd never even seen it before and she gave me a similar response as the fav's.
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No Bridgette, it was actually a PT's club. She didn't think the club was ripping her off except on the VIPs.
If you're asking if there's a magic word or sales technique to get me to go to VIP, then I'd say.. nope!
In my neck of the woods, I'm used to three levels.. typically floor dances $10, VIP dances in a private area $20, and then Champagne Room type VIP in a more private area $$ per chunk of time, like 500 for an hour.. usually something close to that. My budget on a visit is around 300-400, and I can have fun on that for 3 or 4 hours. So the champagne level is right out of the question from the get-go.. I do however, partake of the VIP dances here and there. So what gets me there.. Well, most of the time its with a girl I already know I have a connection with, and that I'm going to have really good convo up there and great dances. The other times is after trying out a couple test-runs on the floor with a girl, and seeing what kind of personality she has. Also, there are those times when I'm just completely annoyed at the chairs if they have wheels... hate the rolly chairs! ..and decide I need some couch time.
Oh, I guess there IS one magic phrase in the one-way contact clubs I'm used to.. "You can touch my boobies up there." whispered in my ear will get me up and runnin! I know that's sad, but if you're looking for honesty, that's it.
So, yeah.. there isn't any real good sales technique that gets me to VIP. I can be hustled on the floor, but I reserve VIP mainly for the girls I'm familiar with.
Too expensive for "no"....."not there"..."no"..."not that"..."nope"..."not allowed"..."can't do"...
Massage parlors cost about same and r more fun.



I buy VIPs for nearly the same reason as Mast. I enjoy the "The Illusion of Privacy" because thats all it really is. Its also nice just to relax with someone and watch TV together (Yes we have Cable TV in our VIP rooms), A deep conversation where the girl doesn't have to get up every 5 mins to go ask for dances is always nice. $$$ Yes, but again like Mast said , its my money.
As far as things to "sell" a VIP. I think it really depends on you and your customer you are going after. I mean my ATF girl that I go see about 3 times a week and just by dances 1 time a week she is a cuddly type, for me thats perfect im not really into the "dancing" thing, a nice conversation will go along way with me.
You have guys tho that want the most "Grind" for their $$ and those people will buy VIPs just so they can have a hott girl grind on them for an hour.
Then you have the ones that just hate the SC / people in it, but like the concept (Hey ive seen it happen a lot with big Corp type of people) They will just go buy an 1-3 hour VIP then leave, and it was kinda like they were never in the SC.
Im sure that does not cover everything but you get my point its going to depends on the person. So I suppose reading people is kinda big in that department.
Sorry if I didn't help answer your question, but I wanted to reply to this thread because Mast pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I do the CR every month, though always with the same dancer. The main reason for that is that I trust her that she'll give me my money's worth each time. I also had a good in-club dancer/custy relationship with her for a while, before the CR was available, so her convincing me to do the CR was easy on her part.
The CR is really expensive. Regardless of how much money someone makes, a few hundred bucks for one hour of a girl's time is a lot of money. So from the custy POV I need to be about 99% sure my $$$ will be well spent.
I laugh off dancers all the time who try to get me into the CR after only knowing me for a few minutes. No chance. I'd assume the key to CR success for a dancer is too cultivate loyal regulars, getting a guy into the CR right off the bat is probably a low percentage endeavor. What worked extremely well for my personal fav was rule breaking lap dances. That was a big hint of what would happen once we got a more private area, and boy was I right.![]()





maybe you should be on escortweb then, or prostituteweb. i'm sorry. maybe i'm just "in a mood", but i'm pretty tired of customers giving the "i could get a hooker for the same/less" comment. i hear that enough at work, i don't want to hear it when i'm on this message board. if you don't think a private dance can be "good" without extras, maybe you should consider staying out of a strip club. or, better yet, consider trying not to respond to any thread asking for advice with the obligatory "i could get fucked for X ammount of money why would i want "dances" comment.
i am so fucking sick of "extras" happening in strip clubs. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU FUCKING DOUCHEBAGS. (that goes for dancers and customers alone)
ps. i actualy have no problem with prostitution.


Some of the girls have commented that to sell VIP dances, among other things you must at least be convinced yourself it's worth it.
Are you convinced that an hour of your time is worth $600 USD or more (from the contents of the rest of the thread)? If so, did you think that way from the beginning? Do you try telling yourself you're worth it so many times without actually stopping to think whether it's true so that consciously or not it gets drummed into your head?
I'm not trying to imply you're not worth it. I don't think an hour of my time, or anybody's time really, is worth $600 USD or more (although looking at some corporate salaries, a number of people obviously disagree). I understand completely that you're in a business where you have to sell VIPs at $600 or more, and to give yourself a chance you must be convinced it's worth it. I'm simply wondering whether we just have a different opinion on how much somebody's time is worth or whether you've somehow managed to force yourself to believe it because you must.





MY time is worth as much as I can get a guy to pay. It IS worth $600+, you bet! I don't need to convince myself because I know this is true. I will keep you fully entertained and happy for the entire time we're together, and that is something you can't really put a price tag on. But since we MUST put a price on it, I always go for the club standard or MORE![]()
When I encounter a guy who thinks it's not worth it and/or is not willing to pay, I know it's because he just doesn't have the money. When I meet a guy who has the money, I have his ass back to VIP within 20 minutes. Because I know I'm worth it.
Yes, salsa4ever has been doing his homework because he has the right answerThe biggest key to getting VIPs is knowing YOU are worth it. Once you realize that, you'll project it to the guys and you'll find it MUCH easier to sell then.
And for all yall who think this is just conceitedness, stuck-up, whatever: NO it's not. It's knowing your worth and being confident. There is a HUGE difference.





*i* think my time is worth 150 for a 1/2 hour. i think i give great dances and i think i'm pretty entertaining. if the customer's idea of a great dance is a lot of contact, well then we differ in opinion and he will know that BEFORE we go back to VIP. in no way to i allude to heavy contact in my VIP approach.
personaly, i would pay 150 bucks for a 1/2 hour with the right girl without much contact. i wouldn't do it often, because for my budget it is "expensive", but i don't think it's outrageous. also, for some people 150 bucks is what 5 dollars is to me. it's all relative.





Well to clarify by 'VIP' do we specifically mean:
1. Buying a lump sum of time (hour, 1/2 hour)?
2. Paying a set fee for access to a special room where you still buy dances by the song albeit at (usually) a higher price than on the floor, sometimes with more liberal rules regarding contact?
If we're talking situation number one, no. After doing the math, I don't see the value in it in comparision to spending an equivalant amount of money on single dances. That type of VIP is usually oriented towards two types of customers
a.) Rich guys looking for a status expenditure,
b.) Guys looking for uber high mileage activities (which they may or may not get).
I don't fit into either group, so there is no appeal in it.
If we're talking situation number two, then it depends on the cost of admission, and the cost of dances versus buying them on the floor. Clubs in Topeka usually want a $10 admission, and its $20 per song. Minus the wristband, I pay that at home. The Hustler Club in East. St. Louis had a similar setup, only I think admission was $5. Those are excellent values for VIP rooms.
My arguments against spending the lump sum are many, but it primarily has to do with having an out when you get bored with a dancer, and being able to cut losses as small as possible when I get a bad dance. In my experience, most dancers simply are not capable of entertaining me for an extended period of time, and those who are have no trouble running a lap dance marathon. It also needs to be stated that an hour in VIP and an hour's worth of dances are NOT the same thing. I don't need to conversationalize/drink with a dancer for an hour, much less pay her for it. I've also found that when some dancers have a large sum of their time guaranteed, even in non-VIP situations, they have a tendency to get lazy.
As for the oft touted benefit of privacy in VIP, well privacy in the eye of the beholder, and I've found that even in the noisiest of main lounges, if a gal is doing her job right, I'll have no concern of what's going on six feet away from us. Why pay the extra markup for what I can get for free?
But as for talking the VIP room up on a potential buyer, I say go for it, if anything, to let your customer know what his options are. You never know who is going to buy, and even if they don't, you always have option B as a backup. The only time, I've found the VIP upsell annoying was in Las Vegas, and thats because a gal was asking me to go about every five minutes.
Former SCJ now in rehab.


to me it's bit conceited, but I admit I wish I was half as conceited! I guess it sounds far fetched because I have a pre-conceived market-based notion of value: basically, one's services is worth whatever is the equilibrium price in the market. Anyway, I admire you. You must be a success!
For us mere mortals who can't actually say with a straight face "I am just the best there is and my time is worth an infinite amount and just because I *have* to put a number on it I'll say X" what do we do?


To the OP:
I bought one VIP for a friend. Don't intend on buying another one. I wouldn't be offended if approached with the idea so long as it's not too pushy.
I think that most people, if acting rationally, would not spend money on VIPs. I'm prepared to justify this if neccessary. So the key to selling VIPs is to either 1) suspend the customer's ability to think rationally temporarily, 2) use ethically dubious strategies that involve some degree of deception or 3) find people who have enough money that VIP dances do form part of their happiness-maximizing consumption choice. For this to be the case, they must either have a lot of money... in excess of a million net worth at least. Or they would have a very uncommon set of preferences. So it's just a simple matter of trial and error you found such a customer.
As I've said, the people who would rationally do so are extremely rare so it's probably not worth making too big an effort to score VIPs. But that's pure speculation! What the hell do I know about making money in strip clubs? But since you asked for it, there's my 2 cents





I'll be dammed if my time isn't worth $600+ an hour if I am booked in a club that offers VIP. Bridgette is right, most of the time when a guy doesn't want to go upstairs, he doesn't have the money to do so. Well, either he doesn't have the money or he doesn't like the mileage I offer in VIP. If you can get a hooker for the same amount of money, don't go to a strip club, go to a massage parlor, etc. I get PISSED to the point of wanting to hit guys who think that just because they paid extra money they are going to get something 'extra' in return.
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