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    so tonight topped off a string of crappy nights. I came home with £36.

    Every single guy I spoke to was like, oh, youre so pretty, youre really lovely, you look nice, etc etc but didnt want a dance. Eventually I didnt even want to approach anyone.

    And all the girls were saying, oh dont worry, everyone has bad nights, youre not the only one who has done badly, ive only done one dance, shes only done two dances, etc. but then there are girls in the club who are making in the hundreds and im like, well if theyre making money, why cant I?

    i dont think its any excuse for me not to make money. im funny, classy, sexy, intelligent, beautiful and an excellent dancer yet there is a russian woman in the club who looks and sounds like a 40yr old man and she consistently makes around £400 a night!? "you want nice dance baby?" she says in her man's voice and it seems to work and im pretty sure she isnt an extras girl.

    I make on average £150 a night which means I have to work 4 nights a week to make ends meet. to me, this is just not good enough, not for a girl who has beauty and brains yet im starting to feel like i hav neither as nothing seems to be working for me.

    i am friendly and charming and flirtatious and yet it just doesnt seem to be enough. i feel like dying my hair black and wearing an edgy black dress and just being a total pushy bitch and then maybe ill make my money. maybe i should put on a russian accent and say, you! you buy nice dance now! in a stern voice or something.

    i seem to be working really really hard to get the guys to buy a dance and then wen they do theyre amazed at how much fun theyre having like they didnt expect that from me, so does this mean i look to squeeky clean? too classy? do i seem on the surface like im passable? and if so, how do i show that im dynamite?

    ah fuck it, im going to bed, im sick of twisting my brain, its making me ill.
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    Oi it seriously isn't just you. I tried to convert what I made in US to GBP, just to be more relevant... and it comes out to about 5GBP. Ew....
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    sorry i know, im just feelin fed up and needed to vent.

    i really love this job wen i go into work and everyone loves me and i give great dances and go home with £200. but that doesnt happen often enough.

    wen you guys talk in dollars, i think of it as the same as pounds since our living expenses are pretty much the same. i dont convert the currency. A $20 dance is the same as a £20 dance so therefor we make the same money
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    actually you know what, ive had a think about it. no more mr. nice guy. im getting nowhere being sweet as pie wen inside i just want to shove my stiletto up the guys ass and laugh while he squeels like a pig (sadist much?). these guys are taking the piss because i let them. i am there to make money, not friends, if youre not spending, im not staying. ive been way too nice about it.

    "hi, how are you? im lisa! im fantastic, thank you for asking whats your name? hi john, are you having a good night? great! youd like to come and have some fun with me wouldnt you? no? are you sure, im a lot of fun! oh, ok, well ill come back when you want some dances, enjoy your night!"

    that my friend says, i am here to make money and im not a bitch but im not a push over either. and it will actually gain me respect because if the guy was the dancer, thats how hed play it too.

    hustle like a man.
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    girls, if i am being completely fucking stupid or ignorant here, please dont be shy to tell me. if you feel like shaking me and givin me a slap in the face, im waiting! i really am more than willing to take criticism so i have something to learn from.

    i know a lot of my moaning is the unskilled worker blaming the tools. i should have really studied my DW HSC and should take the time to make notes from hustle hut.

    i WANT so badly to reap the financial benefits of this job, which I know I can. I want to be in the 20% of the girls making the money. I want to be ok with a crap night because on a whole i do well and am satisfied.

    I WILL have what i want. I want this job to be a success for me. I am just so darned impatient!
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    Haha, did you take this entire thread out of my diary?

    *checks to see if diary is still under pillow*

    Whew.

    Yeah...um....you're not alone on this one, bebe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox View Post
    "hi, how are you? im lisa! im fantastic, thank you for asking whats your name? hi john, are you having a good night? great! youd like to come and have some fun with me wouldnt you? no? are you sure, im a lot of fun! oh, ok, well ill come back when you want some dances, enjoy your night!"
    No, no, don't imagine him saying no! He says yes!

    And be bitchy if you're feelin it. Just smile and talk slow and soft while you're doing it.



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    the weird thing is that you start playing around with making guys go upstairs with you, you start playing the bitch with this one, you don't take no for an answer with that one, hell--with some you don't even talk you just lead them straight upstairs--- the funny thing is that it starts to WORK, and it surprises the hell out of me some night....

    the thing is that you always have the ability to become better, so start playing the club like it's a game to figure out the secrets... I know that doesn't help when you're frustrated but when you're frustrated and you force it, your persuasiveness goes right down the tubes.

    I've been lucky lately and have been getting half-hours and hours more than a lot of girls at my club. I was getting frustrated one night and was headed back to the lockerroom, and the last bar stool before the lockerroom was occupied by a young er guy in a pea coat-- not normally someone I would even try to work.

    I thought, fuck it. I'm going to try this guy before going back to the LR for a few minutes.

    I crawled right up into that guys lap and straddled him (a minor feat that i did quite elegantly despite it being on a barstool.) I made him go to the vip with me even though he didn't have that sort of cash. I made him GO TO THE ATM and get the money even though he was thinking that 150 for a half hour couldn't possibly be worth it.

    fucker left totally satisfied (and I say fucker affectionately in this case with a cheeky grin.)

    Sometimes a "fuck it" attitude lets you push buttons you wouldn't normally push.

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    If he says no, say,"Oh come one! All the straight guys are doing it!"
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    ^ and some of the gay ones too!

    holy shit! I just hit goddess status. Woo hoo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krissy Kennedy View Post
    If he says no, say,"Oh come one! All the straight guys are doing it!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox View Post
    i WANT so badly to reap the financial benefits of this job, which I know I can. I want to be in the 20% of the girls making the money.
    huh, I have been saying that to myself a lot lately...and it has been working.

    I tell you what i have learned this week:

    I usually bank on slow nights, and now I know why. Everyone else feels discouraged and it shows. They act less confident than usually, and although it may not be obvious, it effects your hustle. You don't pop the question right, or on time, you spend a little too much time in the dressing room, don't work the room as hard etc., etc. Which makes it easy for the girls that maintain their confidence to go and bank because when they sit down it is like a breathe of fresh air.

    I know, two slow nights this week sucked for me, and I saw why, but I was in too bad a mood to make it stop. I just didn't give a shit.

    You gotta figure out what works for you, but don't be discouraged because guys smell it, like desperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PookaShell View Post
    Haha, did you take this entire thread out of my diary?

    *checks to see if diary is still under pillow*

    Whew.

    Yeah...um....you're not alone on this one, bebe.
    thank you pooka
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    thanks girls, its so great to know there are people out there that support me. sometimes i want to come onto SW while im at work just to giv me a boost because i feel like im in the ocean and have forgotten how to swim!

    next week will be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fancygirl View Post
    I made him go to the vip with me even though he didn't have that sort of cash. I made him GO TO THE ATM and get the money even though he was thinking that 150 for a half hour couldn't possibly be worth it.
    how!? how did you do that? what did you say to him?
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    If a guy is like hemming and hawing saying, "Gee, I don't know. I don't like giving money to the house, I don't know how I feel about the champagne room." But he is clearly having a good time with you and a little interested in the champagne, try convincing him that he is being carefree and fun. When you work him over, every time he starts to give an excuse, just cut him off say, "Dude, fuck it! Just have fun, relax, who cares about anything else we are just here for you to enjoy yourself." I guess it is kind of hard to explain, that kind of camraderie has to come from a really strong basis of rapport building in order for you to be convincing in such a pushy way. If you work it right, and make a build up as you go along saying how much fun you are having, etc...and you really push at the right moment, then when you are convincing him how much fun it is and how he deserves to cut loose you are like verbally steamrolling him into the room.

    I hope that helps.

    If not, there's always hypnosis and voodoo for the more serious sales girls. Hehe

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    I find myself saying "dude fuck it, just kick back and relax" to a lot of the guys who come into the club cos they are so damned serious! im like, hello! youre in a strip club why are you making this like a territorial army meeting!? we are not at the office, youre here to hav a drink, see some naked ladies and have a laugh, just chill out!
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    I honestly couldn't say what i said except I straddled him, made him hug me, and then started talking. I know I closed in about five minutes because I didn't care. I had this "fuck it-- he's one last guy before going in back for a couple minutes" attitude. When I offered to let him come have fun with me, I started at the highest vip $300, and then went down to the $150 vip. He hemmed, and I think mentioned the floor lapdances which i wasn't really willing to do at that point, so my argument was really convincing considering i was sitting in his lap and he believed me when I said it'd be a more intimate dance.

    -shrug-

    the point is, even if you're have a shitty night you sometimes have to accept that it's shitty and that everything from that point on is gravy, so that it becomes a game and you're not stressing about making so little. If you can look at it like that, you leave your frustration behind because you've already accepted that there's not much you can do except ask for dances...I'm not being clear and I'm sorry-- in my head it's easier, I chalk the night up as a loss and because of that my expectations are zero and so it's easier to get my mojo back into play because even one dance makes me feel better, and the happy-go-lucky attitude occurs from dropping my burden of thinking about a shitty night. It's a snowball effect because you're bound to get a couple dances and with that attitude the night typically snowballs.

    sorry if my explanation was unclear. At the moment, I can't do any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox View Post
    ...this is just not good enough, not for a girl who has beauty and brains yet im starting to feel like i hav neither as nothing seems to be working for me.

    i am friendly and charming and flirtatious and yet it just doesnt seem to be enough. i feel like dying my hair black and wearing an edgy black dress and just being a total pushy bitch and then maybe ill make my money. maybe i should put on a russian accent and say, you! you buy nice dance now! in a stern voice or something.
    You are onto something here...

    I think maybe you are being too much yourself, in a situation where being an actress will pay off a lot more.

    Personally, if I were ever to revert to customer status, I would seek out someone like yourself--beauty, brains, and style are what draws me to a woman. But in a stripclub this can scare off a lot of guys.

    They get intimidated, and choose a woman who doesn't scare them and feeds their fantasies, rather than challenges them (even in a passive way just by being smart and sexy at the same time--the fools, lol).

    I have seen this in the case of so many outstanding women trying to make a go of it as dancers, only to consistently earn less than many women in the same club who can't hold a candle to them.

    The advantage to being an actress is that you can adapt your act to the individual customer. Some of them will love the Russian dominatrix routine you describe, some will fall for the saucy little naughty wench, some will go for the woman of mystery, etc, etc.

    Plus if you still get rejected by the idiots, it's not YOU they are rejecting, it's your alter-ego, who could care less anyway.

    I do think your strategy of getting guys to relax is a great one, though--don't stop doing that.

    Good luck, and don't get discouraged...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox View Post
    "hi, how are you? im lisa! im fantastic, thank you for asking whats your name? hi john, are you having a good night? great! youd like to come and have some fun with me wouldnt you? no? are you sure, im a lot of fun! oh, ok, well ill come back when you want some dances, enjoy your night!"
    That's pretty much right. Except you should be expecting them to say YES not no. IF they say no then of course you wish them a good night and walk away immediately. BUT you EXPECT them to say YES. Keep that in your head. It does make a difference.

    My all-time best wannadance line: "I can dance for you now?" --and I nod my head yes as I'm saying it. When you're finishing one dance, get in some sexy position and purr in his ear: "We can do another?" - again nodding head yes while saying it. It works a LOT. Because it's much easier for someone to simply agree with your "statement" than to excuse their way out of it I keep thinking I should patent this one so it doesn't mysteriously show up on someone's stripper course

    Try it on every customer you approach for the next week. See if it works. Don't just try it a couple times and give up - try it on EVERY guy for the next week, and it will work better as you get used to saying it and your delivery improves. If it works, your confidence will go up and you'll only keep getting better

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