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    Default I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    So I'm participating in my professor's message board for extra credit this semester. Anyone want to join me?

    ETA: the following post was made by a fellow student:

    How do you guys feel about female strippers/dancers? Do you think setting aside your morals to make a few bucks is ok? What about famous women, like the girls who did the remake of Lady Marmalade for Moulin Rouge? Do you think they had a problem dressing so scantily so they could sell albums or perhaps get popularity for themselves? Personally I would have trouble dancing for men (unless it was my own man, hehe) and dressing that way, especially knowing how hard women who came before me have worked to improve the female image and make sure we get rights etc. What are your thoughts?
    Last edited by LoveSexMoney; 02-06-2007 at 12:25 PM. Reason: Clarification!!!


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    That person is a PROFESSOR?! What a fucking dumbass. I'm actually upset that someone who would write that way is teaching at the university level. Augh...

    Since when does stripping automatically equal "setting aside your morals"? No, I don't think it's okay to set aside your morals to make a few bucks; however, not everyone's morals are against stripping. Personally, I have ZERO moral qualms about it. And what the fuck has it got to do with "the female image" and our "getting rights"? We have the RIGHT to make a living off our beauty if that's what we want. That's what feminism is for - giving us choices. Feminism is not there to make us sexless beings in functional pants, or burqas.

    There is just so much stupidity in that one paragraph, it boggles my mind. I can't believe that nitwit is teaching.

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    NONONONONONO the person who wrote that is NOT the professor!!!! She's a student. EEEK!

    The prof is actually one extremely cool lady. She was my mentor when I first matriculated and knows allllll about my dancing history. She's good people.

    The student though, I'm assuming is very young, and is probably influenced by media stereotypes.


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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    Interesting, the subject of strip clubs keeps coming up in my business class, it takes all I can to bite my tongue lol. So can anyone join the message boards, or just her students?
    I believe you Dottie and you have my support

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveSexMoney View Post
    NONONONONONO the person who wrote that is NOT the professor!!!! She's a student. EEEK!
    WHEW! I was thinking the EXACT same thing that Yek was, pretty much word for word (though her words are much gooder than mine). Thank the gods that's not a professor.

    Also, just like Yek, I would zero RIGHT IN on the assumption that one "sets one's morals aside" to strip. That assumption is deeply flawed in its logic and the writer needs to be called on it immediately, before you even get into any specifics.
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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    Anyone can join and participate which is why I've extended the invite to you beauties. Sign up asks for 2 email addys (1 for admin and 1 for public) but I just used 1 (for admin). Here are the rules:

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    I'm glad it's not a professor, although I hope that student is a freshman. It's understandable for young freshman to be so ignorant, but such ignorance and flawed logic should be gone by the sophomore level.

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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I hope that student is a freshman. It's understandable for young freshman to be so ignorant
    Take that Yek!

    I often have had to bite my tongue in class - last year in Psychology Strippers came up sooo many times in little debates and I just wanted to hop in and be like Well ACTUALLY.....

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    I didn't say ALL freshman were ignorant! Just that it's understandable for some of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PookaShell View Post
    I often have had to bite my tongue in class - last year in Psychology Strippers came up sooo many times in little debates and I just wanted to hop in and be like Well ACTUALLY.....
    well doll, here's your opportunity.


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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    Even the post below the first one where the person says managers, customers and society as a whole treats us poorly... I can't speak for every stripper but my customers tend to treat me *very* well

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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    that one's mine and I'm merely stating my opinion on my experiences.

    "I don't think strippers are without morals. I think they are treated pretty poorly from customers, managers, and society in general but I don't see them as setting aside their morals or setting back women's rights. "

    also, I didn't mean ALL customers or ALL managers...of course there are some real gems out there...but when comparing it with other jobs I've had, well yeah for some reason there are fucktards in the club that think they have a license to treat girls shittier than they would in the *real* world.

    I'm glad all of your custy's treat you very well. I wish you a long, prosperous dancing career with ideal, big spending, gentlemanly customers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    I didn't say ALL freshman were ignorant! Just that it's understandable for some of them.

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    Okay, so I posted. Couldn't help it. Those two posts required correction!

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    awwww that was beautiful yek! I wish I had a more overall positive experience but it is what it is and that's one reason why I'm done. Thanks <3

    Thanks ladies.
    Last edited by LoveSexMoney; 02-06-2007 at 12:26 PM.


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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    Nice post Yek!! I participated too! Pooka is this message board just for your school or for all colleges?

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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    And it's always some uptight frigid little twat who probably lost a boyfriend to someone who *gasp* dressed sexy that has the first and most shit to say about strippers

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    Nice posts ladies!

    You wanna hear something funny? All the girls that I've met that talk like this and say that strippers are such dirty women with no morals are incredible insecure and ugly! if they were strippers they would make $50 on a superb night.

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    Default Re: I KNEW the subject of strippers would come up!

    Is there a link to the board?
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    There was - what happened to it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    We have the RIGHT to make a living off our beauty if that's what we want. That's what feminism is for - giving us choices. Feminism is not there to make us sexless beings in functional pants, or burqas.
    Agreed. Feminism does NOT imply a loss of our sexuality, if anything it encourages sexuality - as well as free choice.

    As far as morality goes

    morality is what we percieve as a right and a wrong

    morality is also a huge X factor. some cultures thing it is wrong for a woman to be seen without full body covering, including a headscarf, except for immediate family members in which she may remove her scarf around. of course stripping is a wrong. i believe showing myself naked and earning money for it is not a moral wrong. i am an entertainer, it just so happens to involve using my body. stripping is not illegal, unlike other typical moral "wrongs" such as drug use, prostitution, killing, stealing, etc etc.

    however, if a woman was morally opposed to stripping, little miss
    "Do you think setting aside your morals to make a few bucks is ok?",
    I don't think she would set aside her morals to strip. In fact, if someone was stripping, would it even make sense for that person to be opposed to it? Why would anyone want to pick a job that goes against their beliefs? If you honestly thought your job was "wrong", or "immoral", you wouldn't be doing it. Or, your morals aren't strong enough in the first place to base your life's decisions around this. Either way, this would never be a problem.


    now after answering your question, let me tell you everything wrong about this post.

    "like the girls who did the remake of Lady Marmalade for Moulin Rouge? Do you think they had a problem dressing so scantily so they could sell albums or perhaps get popularity for themselves?"

    first of all, moulin rouge, god bless baz luhrman's soul, although historically accurate in many ways it did NOT stress the fact that the moulin rouge = PROSTITUTION. The women from this place/time period never sold their nude image solely as "entertainment", but instead sold their nude bodies for a man's personal and sexual, hands-on use. this has little or nothing to do with the topic of stripping.

    also - when the fuck HAVEN'T we used sex to sell products? even in the olden days, although much more innocent than today's standards, we've been using images of sexually appealing woman to promote and sell. the fact that musicians sex themselves up for promotion is pretty old hat, has been going on for years, and again, has NOTHING to do with stripping.

    "I would have trouble dancing for men ... and dressing that way, especially knowing how hard women who came before me have worked to improve the female image and make sure we get rights etc."

    Although not directly stating "stripping" in this scenario, if I could make a generalization this author may have confidence issues in general - ever preformed a ballet in a skimpy little leotard? If she's comparing preforming for an audience as well as a costume (and many costumes are revealing) it is safe to assume the author would not be comfortable preforming or putting on a show in general. In essence, we are simply just putting on a show.

    I think the author is also being extraordinarily vague and missing her target here with the "dressing that way". Of course strippers dress a certain way, as do doctors, as do musicians, as do construction workers. Why? Because it is our job to do so. The fact the author would not like to dress "that way" is a fair statement, but I'm left to wonder, hinted by her earlier comments of celebrities dressing "that way", if she's referring to women who dress in a suggestive, sexy way on the streets or out in public. i personally don't think the author would be comfortable with either, but again i think she's missing her target, and not really zoning in on any logical defenses.

    one of the author's reasonings behind this is "especially knowing how hard women who came before me have worked to improve the female image and make sure we get rights etc."

    last time i checked, women in the 1960s were running around without bras as a sign of their personal freedom. i personally interpret this as a rebellion against societal standards. therefore, if feminism is about women's personal freedoms (governmental/societal equality, reproductive rights, etc) i believe feminism protects if not encourages our right to strip. if society looks down on "slutty" looking woman, having the right to chose our often controversial profession is protected and encouraged under the ideals of feminism. feminism is about more possibilities for women, not restrictions/rules.

    also, "worked to improve the female image", is the author suggesting stripping is an insult to society's perception of females? i, personally, do not think so. what does stripping say about women, as a group? nothing, really, except that women can be hot, sexy, and arousing. i dare to pose the argument that stripping is in fact a part of entertainment industry more than the sex industry for any stripper who follows "the rules" and isn't distributing sexual favors.

    we are being compensated to visually entertain men (and sometimes women, too). i do not think this is a moral wrong, nor does it put a damper on women's rights. if women now have the right to have the same advantages and potential for success in the workplace as men, i believe an advantage would be the capability of chosing your own career path. if feminism is a success, i believe women will be comfortable making their own choices, and having no restrictions on what these choices may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchester
    last time i checked, women in the 1960s were running around without bras as a sign of their personal freedom.
    Excellent point!

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    What class is this? She sounds... um... I think I'm gonna steal what Bridgette said, "frigid twat". I like how she specifies "female stripper/dancers".
    If you think school is hard, try being stupid.

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    Here's the link for anyone who wants it: link removed per request

    And I love how all the posts are positive, probably because SW ladies took over and set the tone. Three cheers for all who posted!
    Last edited by Minette; 02-09-2007 at 02:28 PM.

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    Interesting. You go ladies!

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