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    An interesting exercise in disaster preparedness, I've got some stuff in an old backpack, but am still in the process of adding several more items, Most important item, as noted in the link, is bottled water. I'm using the 500 ml-sized plastic bottles.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/bug-out-bag

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ View Post
    An interesting exercise in disaster preparedness, I've got some stuff in an old backpack, but am still in the process of adding several more items, Most important item, as noted in the link, is bottled water. I'm using the 500 ml-sized plastic bottles.
    Not a bad article. I think the author doesn't get survival kits defined right. Survival kits are absolute minimalist, like an altoids tin (common).

    This is a good website for such stuff. Was originallly started for private pilots.


    Read this summary of the Kim family. The guy that got lost trying to walk out of the Rogue wilderness to get help for his family.


    Here is advice and summaries of various types of kits.


    I post on two other boards where this subject comes up alot. Together with hiking it has been of interest to me for awhile.

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    the only problem with the 72 hour scenario is that, for big cities and arguably suburbs as well, the arrival of effective police / medical / social service personnel may take a whole lot longer than 3 days - as was more than proven in New Orleans !

    IMHO anybody that is living in a big city or a nearby suburb today is taking a serious risk that the 'illusion of civilization' could be severely disrupted at any time.

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    Remember what I said about the tin foil hats. a (minimum) years supply of food, multiple ways to purify water, and converting savings to precious metals.

    That thin veneer of civilization. Sheds very easily when people get hungry. The 72 hour bag should be what tides one over if they are away from home. Ice storm closes the road and your trapped at work for example. Think of it as the get home bag that will get you to a more prepared destination.

    You do have a more prepared destination. Right? You have that years supply of rotated foods that you actually like. Right? you have the water filters, five gallon pot for boiling water, the 2qt kettls to boil small amounts of water, unscented hypochlorite beach in gallon bottles, the bristish Berkfield water filter, the cases of bottled water, the recycled 2L bottles of water in the freezer. Right? You have that two burner coleman camp stove, the portable BBQ, the hibachi, metals skewers, grates, cast iron cook ware and measuring instruments to cooking with if the electric stove doesn't work right? You know to cook in well ventilated areas so carbon monoxide doesn't kill you. You have that wood stove installed in the house you own right? You have that AM/FM radio with the long antenna and freh rotated bateries taped to it so you can get news. right? You have that 5 gallon bucket with the fitted camping toilet seat in case the sewers are unusable. You have lots of plastic bags and and 50 lbs of sawdust to line the bucket toilet. A little sawdust thrown in after each use to absorb moisture and cut back unpleasant smell. Right?
    You did go out and get real defensive firearms training' to protect yourself from all those who don't have these things when disaster starts, and will steal from you or kill you to take them. Right?

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    You do have a more prepared destination. Right?
    Actually I already chose to sell the house in the big city suburbs that I had been living in after I 'retired', and have permanently moved to my 'more prepared destination' i.e. my grandmother's former house. I'm now located about an hour's drive from the nearest 'major' city on the outskirts of a town so small that it doesn't even have a stop-light !

    I have two water wells, a septic tank, a backup generator, all propane appliances, a wood stove, and a dozen pantry shelves and two freezers worth of preserved food. My cousin owns the one and only local convenience store with huge gasoline storage tanks, a neighbor works for the local propane company and usually has a dozen 500 pounders on his truck at any given time, and my great uncle down the road has a backhoe / woodsplitter etc. if I run out of the 6 cords of wood I have already cut plus the other 20 cords available within a few hundred feet of my house ! Plus another relative owns a specialty butcher shop / meat packing plant located in the very same no stop-light town ! And of course everybody in the area already has or has access to farming / gardening equipment plus cleared land.

    My next-door neighbor is a 'Roy Bean' style town judge who routinely wears a concealed pistol under his judge's robe in court, and who obviously has some considerable 'pull' with local LE. Even if no local LE support is to be had in a crisis, between family, friends and neighbors we could definitely put together a pretty effective 'posse' in short order if a band of 'marauders' should descend on us. I can envision the judge beside us, issuing the edict "you have the right to remain SILENT ... permanently !" We've already had a discussion about my personal guns so I won't repeat it ... other than to say that every time you bring up this topic it prods me one step closer to ponying up for that new Beretta rifle in 270WSM with night scope !

    But, as you already know, logic dictates that the 'marauders' will likely originate from the large cities. Thus there will be literally hundreds of potential suburban 'targets' which will be much closer and much 'easier pickings'. At the very least, it should take several weeks worth of societal chaos before the 'marauders' have picked clean the suburban shopping malls, big box stores, and upscale suburban houses (whose owners won't / dont / aren't permitted by local laws to have guns to defend themselves), such that the 'marauders' would be motivated to invest the fuel and effort to expand their circle far enough to reach my no stop-light town !

    I truly worry for my former neighbors in the big city suburb when I stop to think just how vulnerable they really are. A few well-placed gunshots (or a whole lot of not so well-placed shots) into a local electrical substation or a deliberate truck collision with a pole supporting a main power line could black out entire neighborhoods for days or weeks. In most cases where suburban residents are dependent on city water, no power quickly translates into no water once local reservoirs are emptied. No power also quickly translates into spoiled refrigerated food. No power also translates into no credit/debit card transactions at local stores and no transactions at all at local banks.

    Thus things could get really ugly in just a week or two ... particularly so if suburban cops are too busy / overwhelmed ... think post-Katrina New Orleans ! IMHO if and when chaos comes, local LE will wind up taking the same sort of Katrina approach ... concentrating their resources to defend certain 'chosen' upscale suburbs, and essentially letting lawlessness prevail in other areas. National guard will probably be deployed with similar 'priorities' being chosen, as unlike New Orleans after Katrina there won't be a huge volume of guard members available for call-in from neighboring states because those other states will be dealing with chaos in and around their own cities at the same time. In the final analysis, if you count up local police plus state police plus state national guard in one column, and count up gang members + independent criminals + desparate people willing to take criminal risks in a second column, you've probably got the 'bad guys' outnumbering the 'good guys' by at least 10:1. Now factor in the probability that the 'good guys' will leave their own suburban families defenseless in order to continue 'fighting' with the 'bad guys' to protect the 'chosen' upscale suburbs ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ...In the final analysis, if you count up local police plus state police plus state national guard in one column, and count up gang members + independent criminals + desparate people willing to take criminal risks in a second column, you've probably got the 'bad guys' outnumbering the 'good guys' by at least 10:1...
    Gangs will be a problem in the Los Angeles area and southwest in particular.

    But even now, nothing is done by elected officials in the city of Los Angeles or Los Angeles County in general. The mayor of Los Angeles suggested an increase in trash pickup fees for the purpose of hiring 1,000 more police officers. I don't remember the exact amount as I reside outside of the Los Angeles city limits. $28 per month? And I've not heard of any additional police being hired yet. The L.A. city council did pass this, but at the same time diverted a portion of the money for "gang interdiction programs" which have not worked in the past and will probably not work now.

    Not sure, but isn't the ownership of automatic weapons outlawed in California? Yet, some of the gang members seem to have them. This would be the one question I'd like to hear the presidential candidates answer: What are you going to do to eliminate the gang problem in the U.S. in general, but in particular in Los Angeles and the southwest?

    I've had to revamp my thoughts about moving to Nevada, as I was planning on moving to either the Las Vegas or Reno area. I'm looking for somewhere considerably more sparsely populated now, and not necessarily in Nevada. I've been reluctant to leave since the only family I have is two cousins here. The other two cousins recently moved to a small town outside of California.

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    The gang member situation is arguably just as bad in some central states and east coast states as it is on the west coast from the standpoint of percentage of population. It's just that media hasn't turned much publicity in their direction, plus there are typically a larger number of gangs but with fewer members each, such that the problem 'appears' to be smaller when viewed one gang at a time.

    The other two cousins recently moved to a small town outside of California.
    I'd check this out ! Anywhere outside of California is an improvement in terms of civil unrest, whereas a small town outside of Calfornia would be a further improvement.

    Not sure, but isn't the ownership of automatic weapons outlawed in California? Yet, some of the gang members seem to have them.
    I have the same complaint about New York's laws which prevent law-abiding citizens from not only purchasing automatic weapons but also from purchasing semi-automatic 'assault rifles' as well as a de-facto prohibition against pistols (via extremely arbitrary licensing requirements without an appeal mechanism). IMHO gun laws are the height of injustice since all they do is prevent law abiding citizens from having the capability to defend themselves. After all, if a 'criminal element' is going to illegally import drugs how much extra trouble is it to throw a few illegal weapons into the shipment at the same time ? !!!

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    Well the recent snows in New York like the blizzards in Colorado prove that having a kit is good but having more than 3 days is better.

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    piece of cake ...

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    How's the snow where you are at Melonie?

    Anywhoo here is more food for thought.

    Decent vid. Makes you think.



    Another one. Darker. but realistic



    Snow is melting away here and People pretending like it never happened. This is so strange to me. People were miserable, traped in their hoems without food for days. Fortunately the power stayed up so there was water and electricity. Now it's like "Wow American Idol is on",,,,,

    Every season hours before a blizzard hits the stores sell out......... Rinse, lather, repeat...................... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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    I am curious about what we are not being told......................

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    ^^^ what can I say ... they must be watching the news reports about Iran's defiance of the UN deadline to halt nuclear (weapons) development ! Must have been those anti-islamic cartoons !

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