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    ok...ive been dancing at clubs for a while now, and 2 girls i know are always hounding me about helping them get a job at a club. now, this wouldnt be a big deal if these girls were "dancer material", but theyre just not if u know what i mean. i already know that clubs are not gonna hire these girls. whats a nice way to say that theres probably no way any club is gonna let them dance?

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    Default Re: friends that wanna dance too...

    actually, if you think they won't get hired, let the club be the bad guy

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    but they actually want me to help them find a club and go with them to get hired....and i just dont wanna waste my time trying to help them find a club when i already know nobody is gonna hire them. they seriously wont shut up about it.

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    and as a matter of fact, one of the girls has already gotten turned down by 2 of the clubs i told her to go to and she STILL wont drop it.

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    oh geez....go with them? I'd suddenly be busy all the time.

    If they are not cut out for dancing, it's odd they haven't come to terms with that. I mean, I think we all know how we rank compared to other women.

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    Tell them that managers respect a lot more those girls who go to the interview by themselves. Tell them that your manager always complaints about these girls who go to the interview scorted by all their friends community.

    Tell them to call the clubs they wanna work at, ask for an interview, which i'm sure they will get, and just say that honestly they have better chances of getting the job that way.

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    I had two friends who followed me into dancing...neither lasted. They're both my age and adorable, so they were hired...I didn't want them to dance because I knew they were not 'dancer material' psychologically. But being cute, and just showing up on their own, there was nothing I could do...

    ...one left crying on her first shift, and the other drank herself unconscious. Seriously. It still took the first half a dozen tries before she gave up, and the other several months of dabbling. They drove me crazy. I wish I had been more forceful in persuading them not to try it, but what could I say? "You CANNOT handle it"? They couldn't, but I didn't know how to say "you're already an alcoholic mess/ terrified of men". Anyway. I think it was something they had to learn for theirselves.

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    I have friends thay would ask the same, i have never done that to anyone. i can't be responsible for someone else on that level.



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    I have turned one friend into a dancer, lol. She is/ was dancer material and I knew she would like it so I took her to work. I've also known this girl for 10 years so, I think that's a bit different.

    If I knew someone wouldn't get hired, I would just tell them that I felt like deciding to dance was a personal decesion and if they wanted to do it they could go audition and I would support that, but that I wouldn't go with.

    I got put in a pretty uncomfortable situation when I first worked in Vegas. It was a time when the club I worked at was WAY overpopulated and they were literally only putting skinny blondes on the night shift. I stupidly didn't realize this until I had two friends come out to dance with me, both LITERALLY 9's who made AWESOME money in a gown club in Chicago, and they didn't get hired for nite shift. I felt really bad, but we ended up working different shifts because I needed the money and I didn't want to jeopardize my position as a night girl by going in for the 3AM shift. In hindsight, we should have all just worked at a different club together for a couple weeks while they were out there, but in my 21 year old niavete, I didn't realize that was an option.

    Moral of story: If they want to do it don't stop them but don't help them either.


    You can also say stuff like, "I dont want to talk about my job all the time." They should get that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    actually, if you think they won't get hired, let the club be the bad guy
    I was going to say the EXACT same thing.

    Just tell them you don't know if they are hiring, but to go to the club and audition (make sure you aren't there that day)-
    Personally, I would let the club know also, in case they use your name to get in the club.
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    "Clubs don't like to hire girls who show up in teams. If they won't hire you on your own, they FOR SURE won't hire you if you bring a friend."


    Some girls just desperately need approval and nothing you say will make them stop. They'll eventually tire of whatever it is and move on to pester someone else. If you value their friendship, use the line above and then be busy every time they want to go to a club. If you don't truly value their friendship, just tell them they won't get hired and to leave you alone.

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    Just out of curiousity, why did the other clubs turn the girl down?

    If a girl really wants to try dancing, then there are always the small clubs that are good for newbies.

    We are not all perfect blondes, and while I would be really unhappy with 10lbs more, there are some girls that have saggy boobs, cellulite, etc, and they do just fine. So I can't imagine why a girl would NOT be able to find a club, there is one out there for everyone.

    But psychologically, some girls just can't cut it. And that is a whole nother story. But really, the psychological aspect is way more important...that's the hustle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnie View Post
    Just out of curiousity, why did the other clubs turn the girl down?

    If a girl really wants to try dancing, then there are always the small clubs that are good for newbies.

    We are not all perfect blondes, and while I would be really unhappy with 10lbs more, there are some girls that have saggy boobs, cellulite, etc, and they do just fine. So I can't imagine why a girl would NOT be able to find a club, there is one out there for everyone.

    But psychologically, some girls just can't cut it. And that is a whole nother story. But really, the psychological aspect is way more important...that's the hustle.
    it is possible to physically not be able to get hired at a club. i know we're not all perfect blondes, but u gotta be attractive to dance. u just do.
    the girl that got turned down by 2 clubs basically got instantly turned down at the door. and as a matter of fact, one of the clubs that turned her down was a small hole in the wall club that pretty much hires anyone.

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    Hah! I used to work at a club that would literally hire anyone that walked in the door without a dick, lol. Though some of them we weren't supposed to put onstage--the hard part was trying to decide who that was supposed to be, since it would change depending on which owner or manager was there.

    I do remember taking aside a couple of dancers I liked and asking them please not to bring any more friends to work there.

    But even in some clubs with real hiring standards, the standards will be stretched to allow for a pair of women, one who is hot, and the other not. These clubs feel it's worth it to get the hot one.

    Don't tell your friends this, though, lol--or they'll never stop pestering you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    it is possible to physically not be able to get hired at a club. i know we're not all perfect blondes, but u gotta be attractive to dance. u just do.
    the girl that got turned down by 2 clubs basically got instantly turned down at the door. and as a matter of fact, one of the clubs that turned her down was a small hole in the wall club that pretty much hires anyone.
    BS. I've seen plenty of unnattractive dancers even at "good" clubs. I don't think you have to be attractive or even skinny to dance, you just have to find a club that will hire you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xBlackBettyx View Post
    BS. I've seen plenty of unnattractive dancers even at "good" clubs. I don't think you have to be attractive or even skinny to dance, you just have to find a club that will hire you.

    Ain't that the truth.......

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    There are TONS of women who simply should NOT be dancing. I get really tired of this "oh ANY girl can dance, let's not discourage the poor girl" crap. How about not overloading the damn clubs with too many chics, huh? We all bitch about too many girls but do we REALLY want every damn girl working as a stripper??? NO we don't! That would just devalue us all. Wake up girls.

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    Not surprisingly, crappy private dance agencies have girls who do this on private shows....If I was paying for a home show I'd worry about getting cased for a robbery instead of the BS "Hot Stripper & her pals" hustle...Anyway, yeah, just say it's up to management ultimately & money has been drying up in the biz so it might not be what these girls are fantasizing about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xBlackBettyx View Post
    BS. I've seen plenty of unnattractive dancers even at "good" clubs. I don't think you have to be attractive or even skinny to dance, you just have to find a club that will hire you.
    im not saying ya gotta be drop dead gorgeous...but i havent seen many
    300 lb girls with buckteeth and nappy hair working in a strip club...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    im not saying ya gotta be drop dead gorgeous...but i havent seen many
    300 lb girls with buckteeth and nappy hair working in a strip club...
    LOL ewwwwwwwww. Good for her for having the confidence though

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    I posted a thread about a year ago about a dancer my club hired who literally looked like the Exorcist girl (the really old horror movie with Linda Blair).

    She would not have looked so bad but she had strange colored contact lenses, cornrows, and two black eyes from having her boyfriend (or maybe someone else) break her nose about a week before she was hired.

    I would not put the girl onstage, which wasnt a problem until one night the other DJ did. Then she wanted me too, as well. I assumed she would be one of those the owners wouldnt want up, but one of them got mad at me because the girl got mad.

    She had an extremely hot friend who had brought her in, lol...
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    im just sayin...there IS a limit, im sorry. lol

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    You win lucki, I have seen many girls naked and spread eagle onstage that I wish I could forget...LOL.

    Blech, shudder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    im just sayin...there IS a limit, im sorry. lol
    Oh, no--I'm not trying to say you are wrong!

    Usually there is, and thankfully so for all concerned--this club was different, a real circus, lol...
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    Funny,everyone seems to agree that standards do exist for many mid and top clubs,so how come the person who has to make the decision is always the bad guy??

    Personally,I will hire many if not most girls who have the balls to apply.
    (I only insist they have a full grill if not staffing in WV!)
    The visualy pleasent ones wear a thong the next night,the ones i think are ugly ducklings,with a hint of swan,get to serve the thongs drinks,the ones with a good head on thier flabby shoulders can be groomed for management..

    I have seen many,what can be considered (_!_) ugly females,change over a short time.
    They get thier hair done,they start working out,they pick up tips from the girls on rotation on makeup etc etc..

    Most of our top dancers in this industry look just like an average girl on the street.

    If a girl has personality,and works the floor as a waitress over time,when she does tighten things up,she usually can start dancing and do very well,she already has a relationship with many of the regs ,built on more then just tits..

    Even the less then perfect females have a place here,in some form or position,it doesnt have to be on stage.

    Im not saying every girl need apply,cause the reality is,the road is much much harder for the girls who dont fit the stereotypical stripper image,but it can be done,and is done.

    Sometimes,a great personality can cover a blemish or 2.

    No way would i not hire a great personality!!!
    I will find a spot somewhere and cross my fingers for the future.

    Gimmie a 6-7 with a great personality over a 9-10 without one anyday!!!
    We get resupplied yearly with perfect 9-10 prom queens in droves.

    Its just a shame,the 9-10 will usually make me -n-her alot more money,with less effort,on more days of the week.

    Thats life,nobody gets out alive.

    We need more females in this industry imo,not just as stage dancers.

    Most of the females in this industry,outside of stage dancers and waitstaff,really suck and dont last long,the proof is in thier current and historical numbers.
    Its because of the hiring practices we currently perscribe to.
    I think it does take a certain brain wave to be a dancer,I also think that this brain wave is what hampers them from stepping down from the stage and being effective in other positions within the industry.

    That leaves the ugly ones best suited imo, for many other positions.


    As far as "friends",this industry can be hard on a relationship.

    Friendly comp is healthy,just not around rent check week or regs who like to see chic fights.

    If your friend cant cut it,the advice of letting the club be the bad guy is golden.
    If she can,my advice is to get her hired at another club.

    Many vets can tell you how many really good friends they have lost because of working the same room together.
    And dont even get me started on the interdressing room lovers!!!!Sheeeesh!!!

    Be friendly of course,but be selective on who you actually become realtime friends with,and never bring your best friend to work at the same club as you if you value that friendship.


    They say,you can count your friends on one hand when you die,dont toss this industry between you and your real friends.
    The chances of it ending badly are high imo.

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