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    (snip)"Under the initiative, marriage would be limited to men and women who are able to have children. Couples would be required to prove they can have children in order to get a marriage license, and if they did not have children within three years, their marriage would be subject to annulment.

    All other marriages would be defined as "unrecognized" and people in those marriages would be ineligible to receive any marriage benefits."(snip)

    "“For many years, social conservatives have claimed that marriage exists solely for the purpose of procreation ... The time has come for these conservatives to be dosed with their own medicine," said WA-DOMA organizer Gregory Gadow in a printed statement. “If same-sex couples should be barred from marriage because they can not have children together, it follows that all couples who cannot or will not have children together should equally be barred from marriage."(snip)

    From an economic standpoint, the 'argument' of course is that the tax breaks and employee benefits granted to married persons are motivated by a basic gov't desire to subsidize the procreation of children. Those supporting this proposal raise the legal point that providing such gov't subsidies to married heterosexual couples who do not want to have children or who cannot have children but not providing similar gov't subsidies to gay couples amounts to 'unequal treatment under the law'.

    It will be interesting to see where this goes, as there could be some MAJOR economic overtones i.e. the repealing of lower tax rates for young hetero couples who are childless, repealing of lower tax rates for retired hetero couples etc.

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    Its fun to jab into conservatives' faces, but I don't think it has a chance in hell of passing.

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    Default Re: logical extension of gay marriage litigation ...

    Hey, why not extend those tax breaks to single women who have chosen to be mothers. They need that governmental support most!

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    Default Re: logical extension of gay marriage litigation ...

    ^^^ you already get them as 'head of household' with a dependent child.

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    Default Re: logical extension of gay marriage litigation ...

    So, wouldn't gay people get some of the same tax breaks if one of them has a kid? I understand that not every couple wants kids but it's nice to think they get something for all that stressful family life!!

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    ^^^ yes they would, sort of ... they could also file as head of household with a dependent, but they could not file married joint.

    The whole economic point of this blurb seems to be a complaint that childless hetero couples currently get the tax advantage of filing married joint, while childless gay couples do not. Since it appears that gay marriage cannot succeed on the national level necessary to affect federal tax policy to give gay couples something they don't have, the other option is to to take away what hetero couples already have in order to 'equalize' tax treatment.

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    To much social engineering in taxes these days. It needs to be for the support of the operation of the government -- THAT'S IT.

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    Default Re: logical extension of gay marriage litigation ...

    Does this mean that anyone who wishes to marry (or maybe re-marry) after their child bearing years can't get a marriage license?

    Or any hetero couple, one of whom has had either a vascectomy, tubes tied, hysterectomy (possibly for life-threatening medical reasons), post-adolescent mumps, or??? can't get a marriage license?

    WTF?!?!?!?!?

    I feel sorry for everyone whos tax dollars paid some moron to write that.

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    ^^^ that would depend on whether or not this proposal actually gets voted into law, and then depends on how the courts interpret the underlying legal principle. If the subsidizing of childbearing becomes the key reason for providing married / joint tax benefits, then yes it's entirely possible that any two persons who are incapable of producing a child could be denied the married / joint tax benefits.

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