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    Default 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    I seems like a lot of clubs will have a "get-customers-in-on-a-slow-night" special 2-for-1 dances.

    I don't go on a particular night for this, and honestly, I've never asked for 2 dances for the price of 1.

    I have seen some pretty heated arguments between dancers and customers that seemed to focus on this (after the dance).

    On one hand I wouldn't ask a dancer to give twice as much for the same $, but on the other hand it's still a business (i have to keep telling myself that).

    Is this usually left up to the dancers? I mean, if the sign said half-price cover, I wouldn't pay full price, but when it comes to the dancers and the dances maybe I'm just a softie (bad choice of words).

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    Well, the dancers generally LOATHE half price or 2for1 specials. Because no one likes to be FORCED to take half the money for same work. Whenever I've worked in clubs that did that crap, I just wouldn't work those nights - those promos only work to bring in cheapasses which really doesn't do anyone any good. It's a shortsighted business move and promotes hostility between dancers and customers. Not a good thing.

    Some clubs wouldn't care if the girls charged full price on those "special" nights, other would MAKE the girls accept the "special" price. The former was better for both club and girls, the latter just pissed off alot of girls; pissed off girls = unhappy customers.

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    My home club had 2-4-1 from 11am-2pm. Sometimes guys would pay full, sometimes they would take advantage of the special. The songs were cut a little shorter, and it was an easy sell while the guys ate their steaks. It would bring in lots of guys during the day, so I could get off of work and have my evening to myself. I would affectionately call it "steak and ass" days.

    I didn't mind it, and I gave a good dance. If I gave a shitty first dance because it was a special, I might not have gotten anymore. Also, I would give the guy an option of just doing one dance for $10 if he wasn't happy with the contact, etc.

    Then I'd just move onto the next. It kept me busy. That was a good bet for days, since there were less girls. Sometimes on nights, there would be so many girls that I couldn't GIVE away dances. So it worked out well to change things up.

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    OK, I will admit it. I have a love hate relationship with 2 4 1s. My first encounter with the sought after 2/4/1 was at a club where they were all the rage before 8 o'clock. Then, at the same club it was 2/4/1 all night Sunday. The club was only open nights and weekends was the only time I had to work, so I did it. Guys would come from far and wide for the Sundays. They would but dances in bulk, and there was NO CHAT. My record was 18 2/4/1s in a row. They were very active light contact nude LDs on couches. I made less money that night and my body was worked!
    OK, then there was the Vu downtown Seattle. The lights flash and it is two for one time. Overall this was a hard hustle club. So even though many girls would run for the dressing room, I was comforted by the easy sale. Many dancers told me that when they did the 2/4/1s they did a crappy dance. This was the dumbest thing they could do IMO. I would put on my best show (I always do) so they would get MORE dances at regular price. When the lights flashed, I would think, "3 dances, easy sale."

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    Default Re: 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    I'm "meh" about 2-for-1s myself. When they're tied in with a club promotion (like the ever-popular t-shirt giveaway) it's a total cattle call, and what'll usually happen is that a fave will get pulled away to do the promo, and never make it back.

    There was also the time at Spearmint Rhino in Santa Barbara, CA, where they ran 3-for-1s, 5-for-1s, even a 10-for-1 special! Of course, they cut the songs down so it still equalled the equivalent of one regular dance at regular price (just for shits & giggles I did a 10-for-1, and the DJ *literally* played about 20 seconds of 10 different songs).
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    Default Re: 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    Discounted dance night isn't what clubs crack it up to be. If you want to come in and see your fave, you're going to have to fight an army of guys who came in specifically for the discounted price to get to her, (assuming that she was relegated to work that shift in the first place). Same thing goes for the hourly cattle call promos. Funny how it is that T-shirt I allegedly bought never shows up. (Well, no biggie, I never wanted it in the first place).

    And yes, you have no shortage of dancers who try to change the terms of the deal, or badger you into pay full price. Sometimes, the discount just isn't worth it.
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    It's a gimmick that works against all involved, really.
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    Default Re: 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    I've typically avoided working my club's promo nights (Tuesdays and Sundays) but due to scheduling issues around the holidays, I've worked a couple of Sundays lately and done really well. Now I'm considering adding Sunday to my normal schedule. It may bring out a cheap crowd, but at least it brings out a cheap crowd who WANTS TO BUY DANCES and is there for that reason. As opposed to, say, Mondays, when dances are regular price and it seems all anybody wants to do anymore is nurse a beer, cop an eyeful, and *think* about buying a dance.

    Of course, my heart absolutely melts for customers who know about the discount and pay regular price anyway. Thanks, guys. It doesn't go unnoticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xoxoGracexoxo View Post
    I've typically avoided working my club's promo nights (Tuesdays and Sundays) but due to scheduling issues around the holidays, I've worked a couple of Sundays lately and done really well.
    Just stay away from Sundays @ Landing Rip. Bleh, absolutely awful.

    In Houston, there is not 2-4-1 on Sundays. I always used to kick ass on that day, oddly enough. Lots of bored out of town businessmen there on their first night of the convention.

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    Default Re: 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    I only remember a couple of times in twenty years of clubbing when I encountered a 2 for 1 special.

    Of course, I bought two dances when I had the chance. But each time, I bought more after the special was over.

    For what its worth: if you file your taxes as self-employed, 2 for the price of one is considered promotional advertising. So, you can write whatever the going rate for a dance is off as advertising.

    This means you made $20, say, for the one dance, and spent $20 in advertising for the other dance. Your net income for the transaction is $20 - $20 = $0, but you end up with $20.

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    Default Re: 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    My favorite Providence club runs 2 for 1's all day and night on Monday and Tuesday. It's been going on for so many years that I'm not sure if it helps business at this point or not. I don't have any problem participating since no one is forcing the girls to work on 2 fer days.
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    ^ ya, my club has 2 hours where in the day shift it's all 2 fers....

    i'm glad i don't work that!

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    Default Re: 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    I visited my club on a recent Thursday, and Ms. E announces after the first dance, "Didn't you know we were 2-for-1 on Thursday?" Great! We proceed to have so many dances that she lost track. I needed to keep count. When the "Platinum" side opened at 7, we visited there, too (more contact allowed but no discount and double the rate) and topped off the night to our mutual satisfaction. She probably netted double the usual take, and I had a very good time. I'm pretty sure she had a good time, too.

    I guess it all depends how one interacts with the discount. She could have bemoaned the loss of income. Or, the opposite. She did the opposite, and it turned out for the best. Probably also depends on the customer. A year ago, I would probably have behaved differently.

    Like Yoda, I don't think the discount makes any difference in the amount of business. I think the club could do much better with its marketing. If you've got 2-fers, at least let people know about it!

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    There is a time and place for 2 for 1 dances. When the money isn't flowing they are a good thing.

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    Default Re: 2 for 1? - I don't think so

    At my local club, they don't do any 2-f-1's, and I can sorta see why. As the one of the most expensive clubs in the SoCal, if they offered that on a regular basis then practically everybody would wait to get private dances rather than getting them at the normal rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tina View Post
    There is a time and place for 2 for 1 dances. When the money isn't flowing they are a good thing.
    Exactly. Its a marketing tool to spruce up business on slower days. Rather then think of the money one is "losing" doing a two for one, it should theoreticaly be thought in terms of making oney off someone who wouldnt be there if there were not two for ones.

    On slower days at my bar we run heavily discounted draft beer specials etc. That translates to smaller checks and smaller tips per check, but there are more people in the place then there would be if there was no specials, so it evens out in the end.

    The problems of the perception is the intangible concept that there are more people in the building BECAUSE of the beer specials/3-4-1 lap dances. Its taken on a combination of pragmatic sense and a little faith that if there were no specials, the clientele would be a lot less, ergo, less money earned for all involved. The only way that there would be concrete proof of that is if the specials were gotten rid of for a few weeks. I dont know of any business owner who would do that though to prove the theory.

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    ^^The problem with this when it comes to strip club services (or any services) is that whole devaluing thing again. It encourages customers to be cheap. It discourages them from coming in at times when everything is normal-price. It encourages them to try haggling more. It also lures in alot of undesirable customers that, generally, everyone is better off without.

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    I think clubs that have 2 for 1's at predictable times such as every Tuesday, cannibalize the business for other nights. Guys may not come out as much on Monday and Wednesday if they know Tuesday's are cheaper. When I worked in Indianapolis it was usually every hour, but lots of the guys would buy regular priced dances after the 2/1's. Memphis was like this too, but the regular dances for some odd reason were $40 so guys waited for the 2/1 and then the girls would do a bunch of 2/1's consecutively which averaged out to $20 a song.

    If a DJ just throws it in randomly when the crowd isn't responsive to dances, the crowd can't predict it, and it can help our cash flow. Then once most of the guys have bought the 2/1, more of the crowd may be primed up to buy regular priced dances since they have seen that lots of other guys around them are buying dances too.

    For example when the club is full of young guys and girls who are barely tipping on stage, a 2/1 could help us get the crowd to feel obligated to buy some dances. In that case it could spell the difference in all of us going home with $100 after payouts, and $200-$250 which is at least tolerable for a slower night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    ^^The problem with this when it comes to strip club services (or any services) is that whole devaluing thing again. It encourages customers to be cheap. It discourages them from coming in at times when everything is normal-price. It encourages them to try haggling more. It also lures in alot of undesirable customers that, generally, everyone is better off without.
    B, do you mean to tell me, you wouldnt give me a 2 fer even for old times sake and all that? Damn you are hard core

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    ^^The problem with this when it comes to strip club services (or any services) is that whole devaluing thing again. It encourages customers to be cheap.
    This also flows the other way, in that the dancer doing the 2 for 1 is invariably far less motivated to do well by me as a customer because they feel like the value of their time and effort are being effectively reduced by 50%, so my experience as a customer suffers as a result.
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    Well, the price is posted and I intend to take advantage of it. I will "experiment" with dancers I don't know at 2 fer prices but usually I go with the same gals I see at regular prices. Sometimes I see a drop-off in effort and that gal drops of my list-at any price. More often than not the ladies are just happy to see a good customer. These ladies are smart enough to know that half of something is better than all of nothing. Otherwise they wouldn't work the two for one shifts. It's not wrong as a dancer to hate the concept of half price grinding but if you are going to work the shift you should be prepared to extend the effort.
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    Dude you're making a couple of assumptions here. 1) that there are girls who don't really give a damn if it's slow - they are pretty sure that they can work the room anyway. (I, for example, tend to do better when there are like 10 guys in the joint. I don't know why - maybe I can concentrate better). So they don't see it as a choice between half and nothing - they see it as half of the whole. 2) you're assuming that there are no other reasons that a girl would want to/have to work a shift. I choose my work days based on what I have to do the next day and when I have to be up in the morning. I pay the damn club to work - I shouldn't have to work for half price. If I work the shift I would say that I should be able to choose whether or not I take part in that promotion. Further, attempting to "punish" a girl because she doesn't want to do a two fer when she does a perfectly good dance on a one fer is, well... irrational. I mean, I don't think that guys trying to force me into an "a" game at half the price makes for a good customer, so honestly, I wouldn't miss you.

    If your argument is that "well the club can make you, so learn to put up with it" - well, by that rationale we would never take issue with anything the club did, so it's not a particularly useful comment.
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    In Austin, girls are constantly fighting with customers during 2-4-1 times. They always try to charge full price, then argue with the customers when they don't get it. Management gets involved, a scene starts, someone gets kicked out, and everyone is pissed.

    For me, its not worth the argument. My former club didn't have 5-7 2 for 1's like the other clubs in town do. Hence, the happy hour crowd there totally sucked. But the morning 2-4-1 crowd was decent, and I could EASILY make $200-300 in less than 2 hours on a dayshift with little to no effort.

    So, all things being equal, and being unable to change the formula, I say make it a "wanna dance" type of scene, and maximize earnings.

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    Jenny is exactly right on this one. Also Casual Observer - YES! I do not feel obligated to make full effort if I'm being forced to work for half price.

    Yoda, why on earth would ANYone in their right mind feel obligated to do full price performance for half the price? It just doesn't make sense. I agree with Jenny - if you are that type of customer I will not miss you or your money at all. Would YOU consider it smart to accept half your salary for same work, for one day every week, just because management decided that would be better for THEIR bottom line? Somehow I highly doubt it. We are no different.

    Kat, from my past Austin experience, I think the girls try to charge full price for their dances despite the mgmt-imposed special because the clubs do it TOO MUCH. It's one thing to do it occasionally but when it's the main part of the club's marketing the girls will resent it and try to fight back. I remember when Joy and Penthouse were basically trying to outdo each other with the ridiculous specials - they got so bad they were making girls do $5 dances one night, $10 another night, 2for1 another, and so on. It really cut into our money and drew in alot of guys no one wanted to deal with. For that very reason I went over to Sugar's and was much happier - they were just as busy as the other 2 but didn't run all those retarded specials. I made more money there.


    FBR, NO I would not do a special for anyone. Not even if you've spent $100k on me - giving it away free or cheap gets the guy into cheap mode and that's not how we make money. Also, if you're a big spender I know you can afford it so you should not complain. Furthermore, I always put forth 100% (when I'm dancing full price) and I am quite good at making the guy feel like it's money well-spent. So, you will pay me full price and LIKE IT!!!

    The only time I've ever done it is when the club forced it down my throat. I have to do it occasionally at the current club but it is not too often AND the money at this club overall is very good so I put up with the special deal.


    Tina, I'm with ya. The only thing is, I don't remember working at any club that did it randomly. They always made it a scheduled special and/or a regular nightly occurrence. As usual, clubowners and managers don't do anything the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette View Post
    FBR, NO I would not do a special for anyone. Not even if you've spent $100k on me - giving it away free or cheap gets the guy into cheap mode and that's not how we make money. Also, if you're a big spender I know you can afford it so you should not complain. Furthermore, I always put forth 100% (when I'm dancing full price) and I am quite good at making the guy feel like it's money well-spent. So, you will pay me full price and LIKE IT!!!
    Well, I wouldn't go that far. I'd do a special for FBR.
    But just one. So nobody ought to get used to it.
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