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    sometimes i feel like i may as well be a gambler becos that is what this job feels like. you go in and you dont know if youre going to make money or lose money but if youre not there, youll never know. you have a 50/50 chance. you get this high wen you make money and then you go back for more and you lose money and you get so down but you remember the high of making money so you keep going back, even wen you lose money 3 nights in a row and then bam! one night you make money, so you keep going back despite yet another 3 nights of losing money.

    i want to redress the balance so that i hav more good nights than bad nights, but i dont know if its me, the club, or the customers that is the problem.

    probably a combination of all three...

    "Sex is currency. What's the use of being beautiful if you can't profit from it?" - Lily St Cyr (40's burlesque dancer)

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    That was my problem..you never know when your gonna have a good night...I use to work 7 days a week....it was almst like an addiction...Who wants to lose out on the chance of BIG money??? Not me!!!

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    you know, the funny this is that at my old place, i used to feel like this ALL OF THE TIME...

    I would get there and wonder if I'd make money, lose money, or break even....that's so bad!!!! We'd be better off working at McDonalds if the previous two were to occur. Though, luckily, we work with averages made per week, per month, etc.

    I finally left that club, though..and went somewhere where the payout is less...and now i'm back at a similar club...hahaha silly

    but yeah, i know exactly how you feel. just gotta know when to move on, i suppose lol

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    I'm not trying to be snotty, but if you are losing money three nights in a row, maybe this isn't the business for you.

    Yes, we all have bad nights, but the idea is that your average should be good, not the once in awhile nights. At the very least, your good nights should outweigh the bad nights.

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    thats why, right now, im not sure if its me, the club or the customers.

    i hav what it takes, i know what my downfalls are and i am working on them, but its hard wen there are no customers, majority shit customers and the club only cares about making money for them.

    but then maybe im just blaming the tools...

    i still refuse to accept that this job might not be for me. i feel there is a breakthru that i need to make. and it makes me ask me, what needs to happen for you to make that breakthru? maybe im resorting to an old habit of wanting everything to be perfect before im happy.

    emily, i lost money because monday we had 5 guys in between 8 and 12:30 and 20 girls on so i went home early. on wed night i worked, only two big groups, 20 girls and neither group spending. spent most of the night chatting to a guy from atlanta about america and how different the strip scene is in the USA and the UK. i.e. you guys get tipped for dancing on stage and you dont hav to hustle as hard.

    fri was busy and my friend was at work, we had fun and i made money. last night, i was exhausted and couldnt even string a sentence together so i went home early. so out of 4 nights worked, i only made money on one night. after two weeks of no customers it really got to me.

    i know the idea is to hav the balance the other way round and i dont think its entirely my fault. there is only so much you can do wen you are a rookie dancer in a consistently dead club.
    "Sex is currency. What's the use of being beautiful if you can't profit from it?" - Lily St Cyr (40's burlesque dancer)

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    I'm not saying it's you. It it very likely that it's the club too. But the same still applies: it might be time to find other work.

    Maybe you should consider moving? Can you work in the US?

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    Hi 21stcentury,

    just wanted to tell you that my club was very very quiet this wk as well so maybe it might be just a bad time here in London

    If you are still in the Secrets in Hammersmith,why don't you try another club to see if you could make better money elsewhere ???

    Hope it gets better soon honey.

    x

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    Are you keeping careful track of WHEN you make money?

    I have a spread sheet with take home, hours worked, $ per hour, tip outs, house fees and notes...oh and a weekly total column too.

    Based on this spread sheet, I know which hours on which nights I will MOST likely make $X -- it is not fool proof, but if I know that I average good money on say Monday late shift or Saturday early (whatever) I plan my weeks around those shifts.

    So that means if I am tired on a typically slow day, I would rather leave as soon as possible so that I can rest up and work extra hours on my "bank" days.

    For example, I felt sick on Wednesday, and I left the club early with $130 (for me is a crap night)...because I knew I could hit my weekly goal in the following three nights ONLY IF I was in good form.

    I did, BTW, and now I need some rest.
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    oh and it may help to detach yourself from your job a little more. Like, you need to really understand that you are totally in control of your earnings in this biz. We all have shit nights, but overall *almost* everything is your choice: where you work, the hours you put in, what you wear, how you carry yourself.

    Why are you staying at a club that's dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox View Post
    .i.e. you guys get tipped for dancing on stage and you dont hav to hustle as hard.
    Not necessarily. State tipping is only a culture in some cities, its not very common in Texas. I'd be fortunate to get $20 over 6 songs on an average night on stage.

    Also, if you don't think we have to hustle here, then don't go to Vegas, the housemom will just chop you up and feed you to the girls for an anergizing snack.

    I've never lost money dancing. Never, not in 8 years that I did it. I've come out with very little money, like $100, but if I ever left owing money, well......never had to come to that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    I'm not saying it's you. It it very likely that it's the club too. But the same still applies: it might be time to find other work.

    Maybe you should consider moving? Can you work in the US?
    i need to get my british passport first before i can go to the US and to do that, i need £280 and the application takes around 6 months (to become a citizen - im south african).

    i would LOVE LOVE LOVE to go to the US and dance.

    im going to get a bartending job to keep the bills paid and still do 3 nights a week dancing. i am DETERMINED to make this work for me. or im not ready to give up yet. if other girls can do it and if i hav all the qualities i need, then i dont see why i cant be making £300 a night. right now im making half that (if its not a dead night).
    "Sex is currency. What's the use of being beautiful if you can't profit from it?" - Lily St Cyr (40's burlesque dancer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SydneyII View Post
    Hi 21stcentury,

    just wanted to tell you that my club was very very quiet this wk as well so maybe it might be just a bad time here in London

    If you are still in the Secrets in Hammersmith,why don't you try another club to see if you could make better money elsewhere ???

    Hope it gets better soon honey.

    x
    thanks sydney, i appreciate that
    "Sex is currency. What's the use of being beautiful if you can't profit from it?" - Lily St Cyr (40's burlesque dancer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnie View Post
    Are you keeping careful track of WHEN you make money?

    I have a spread sheet with take home, hours worked, $ per hour, tip outs, house fees and notes...oh and a weekly total column too.

    Based on this spread sheet, I know which hours on which nights I will MOST likely make $X -- it is not fool proof, but if I know that I average good money on say Monday late shift or Saturday early (whatever) I plan my weeks around those shifts.

    So that means if I am tired on a typically slow day, I would rather leave as soon as possible so that I can rest up and work extra hours on my "bank" days.

    For example, I felt sick on Wednesday, and I left the club early with $130 (for me is a crap night)...because I knew I could hit my weekly goal in the following three nights ONLY IF I was in good form.

    I did, BTW, and now I need some rest.
    hey sunnie, yes i do, im anal like that

    it seems i make money on the busier nights, which are weekend nights. this is because if i hav to sit still for more than an hour, i start to "twitch", get very adjitated and lose all my drive. i know i would do well in a busy club, but im just not sure there are clubs like that in london. well spearmint rhino TCR is from what i remember but their house fee is like £80 and they hire about 100 girls a night to work. then there are the strip pubs but they are notoriously hard to get into. so, im trying to figure out what my other options are, if there are any and i dont want to work far from home because of the high cost of taxi fares. and the club i am at, is like a 10min bus ride from where i live.

    our club is very strict on our appearances, we get graded every night before we are allowed on the floor. toes, nails, shoes, dress, hair, earings, necklace, bracelet, bag, make up and we hav to wear either a garter, stockings or gloves. so my appearance is very classy. we also hav to work the whole time the club is open which is from 8pm - 3am. i work 3-4 nights a week, but im going to make it wed, fri and sat now (we hav to do either a mon or a sat night and mons are always dead, sat. night is fantasy outfit night and last night was really bad.)

    this is a pic of me at work:


    i wish i knew what my look/appearance says to people cos i think im coming across as something different to what i am. i am fiesty, witty and giv a very sexy dance lol

    ARGH im so sick of being a rookie dancer! lol
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    You look great. Are all the dancers having negative nights?

    There is nothing wrong with high housefees and lots of girls if the club has the earning potential.

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    you know this just reminded me that i hav often wanted to get bigger tattoos almost in a way to show people that i am more than what they think i am. i used to get really annoyed at people not really taking much notice of me or treating my like this boring girl next door which i am very far from!

    i dont want to be pretty. i want to be striking. noticeable and unforgettable. i hav often wondered if i should change my look to something more edgy so i dont hav to do so much convincing at work. the convincing exhausts me and frustrates me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    You look great. Are all the dancers having negative nights?

    There is nothing wrong with high housefees and lots of girls if the club has the earning potential.
    thanks emily

    you know, youre right. it wouldnt hurt to go back to spearmint. especially now that ive learned so much from SW HH and DW HSC.

    i just want to tone up and lose about 10 pounds before i audition again...
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    It is winter in london isn't it? Maybe it's just too cold for a lot of people to be going out and that's why the club is dead.
    Come to Australia and dance. We have a lot of girls from London and the UK dancing at my club in Melbourne.
    I think u are striking from your photo, you would be a popular dancer at my club.

    I feel like u do sometimes. I wish there was always a guaranteed minimum that I would make. Last week was fantastic, I just hope this week will be as good.
    I always find that at the start of the night it's very slow and I start panicking that I won't make money but later in the night I always end up making some, somehow even if it's very quiet.

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    I want to comment on your interest in getting tattoos. Please don't. I have this feeling that you would be getting them for very non-personal reasons and it will hurt your earnings, not help you. Trust me, there are far more customers that prefer a dancer without tattoos than with them. I have a few large tattoos and I have to constantly answer questions about them and it actually interrupts my hustle when at work.

    I think your club is what the major problem is. When there are so few customers like that, it's hard to make money. I know exactly what you mean. It was like that at the club I worked at before...you'd be sitting there, with all 4 of the customers occupied by 4 of the 12 dancers. A new guy walks in, and 3 girls try to latch onto him before he even sits down. I called those girls "vultures" and I never wanted to be one of them because it didn't fit my hustle. That type of setup really hurts my earnings. I had to be fast and annoying or I wouldn't eat!

    If all else fails, just try to adopt different hustle styles or acting personalities.

    Other than that, I don't know what to say. Hope it gets better for you.
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    alexa, the thoughts i had about more tattoos i had before i went back to stripping. i love tattoos and really want to get more, but i know i will hav to wait until i am done with this job. i intend to use this job to become financially secure, afford to travel the world and find a warm country where i can settle down by the sea and live the rest of my days as a surfer/creative.

    i didnt mean i wanted more tattoos to be noticed in the club i think it was that i felt i was coming across as too normal wen i am very far from your average everyday girl. in my head at least lol

    i have tattoos on my wrists and one on the inside of my elbow. sometimes i wear long gloves if i cant be bothered to chat about them.

    in all the clubs i hav worked at, the rule is that dancers are not allowed to approach the custys until they hav been served a drink, but the girls will actually hover at the table and their asses will land on the seats at the same time the glasses land on the table so i know exactly what you mean about vultures. i often just let them get on with it because 9 times out of 10, the guys want a drink first and to relax into the atmosphere before they get a dance, so as soon as the first wave of girls leaves, im over there to help them get into the flow of things
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox View Post
    i didnt mean i wanted more tattoos to be noticed in the club
    OK I'm sorry - I thought that's what you meant. For someone to get tattoos to help their money situation would be kind of backwards, unless you were going for the heavily tatted 'bitch goddess' look. Your pic didn't seem to fit that description. If you really want them, then get them, but just realize it might hurt your money and the comments will annoy you constantly if you're looking to dance for a long time. If you can wait a while, then that would be ideal.

    Another random suggestion - maybe you are thinking about the hustle too much? I know when I have tried to be all saleswomanly and professional, it came across to the customers and some of them even called me on being too impersonal because I was trying to perfect sales techniques. Maybe adopt a more carefree attitude? You have said you are cheerful and sweet (or something similar) in the club. If you want more of that bad girl image, it might help to have a slight dose of that bitch goddess in you. I've seen girls do this without tattoos.

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