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    Default Not ashamed to be ruthless - what about you?

    Maybe I'm alone in this, or maybe I'm the only dancer who wants to admit it - I'm at work to make money, not to make friends with other dancers or customers. If I can make a friend along the way, that's great, but I'm not going to limit my earnings by trying to win Miss Congeniality. In fact, I'd probably categorize myself as a bit of a shark. I don't seek out drama or actively try to hurt others, but BUSINESS IS BUSINESS. That's the danger of making friends with your competition, because that's what your coworkers are - COMPETITION! I really, really like some of my coworkers, but it's hard for me to trust people and really let them in. I've learned it's dangerous, and there's a huge difference between friendly fellow stripper and friend.

    I get grief for this on occassion. For example, Thursday night a big spender came in. I had never met him before, but he had seen me a few nights before and had wanted me to join his group in VIP but I was sitting with a regular all night. BigSpender is acquainted with a few of the dancers. I was onstage and a girl brought over half of a twenty. She said BigSpender told her to tell me if I wanted the other half to come and get it. This is my signal that he wants to spend.

    I come over and work my magic. I don't want to brag about MYSELF as a person, but I've got my dancer persona down to a science. I'm a freak for details AND the whole package. My manicure and pedicure are always perfect. My make up is always classy, whether it's subtle or dramatic. My tan is always well maintained. My outfits are always some of the best in the club - very eye catching, classy, and they enchance my assets. I am in great shape because of my high metabolism, devotion to the gym, and my personal trainer I see twice a week. My hair is always nicely styled and my roots are maintained. I have a few surgical enchancements to make up for nature short changing me, and I'm going to get a few more! It's taken a lot of time, money, and thought to polish my image to it's current high shine. I was very awkward as a kid, so I'm very fascinated with the girl I see in the blacklight - she's practically a stranger to me. I'm not ashamed to ruthlessly promote and sell "her".

    I realize this guy spends money like he has something to prove, and he can prove it all he wants to me! In addition to that, we have a lot in common. We're both SCUBA divers. He owns an airplane advertising business, and I contemplated (and still am contemplating) a career as a pilot for a long time, so I know about aviation. His business advertised my old club, Solid Gold/Pure Platinum in Fort Lauderdale. He asks me if I'd be interested in modelling, because he can help me out with some contacts. I told him I never thought about modelling, because stripping is a means to an end, not an end. I show him that not only am I very physically attractive, I'm also very bright. We talk about places we've gone on dives, places where we want to dive, about our favorite kinds of aircraft, etc. Before I know it, he and his 4 friends are heading back to VIP and we're all going with him, but I end up being his "main girl" for the rest of the night. Girls come and go, giving dances to me and him and vice versa, but I'm with BigSpender all night and he likes it that way. I got a little tipsy and didn't notice all the other girls shooting hateful glances in my direction. I make $800 off of him just by asking politely at the end of the night. No one else made CLOSE to that. I give him the number to the "stripper phone" (my second cell phone that I use to keep in contact with regulars) and say goodnight. He's coming back to see me next week.

    I head back into the dressing room, and get my ass chewed out by a few girls, who are not as "polished" as I am. Apparently one of the other girls claims "He was here to see me!". She came and went from the group all night, sulking and acting gloomy. She didn't try to sell him any dances. She didn't try to claim position as "the main girl", which I guess she thinks I usurped from her. This girl is nothing great to look at, nor is she a great entertainer. She clearly doesn't make an effort to be what the customers want, she doesn't MARKET herself like I've learned to. She lays a sob story on me - she has ovarian cancer, she might go to jail for violation of probation, and if she goes to jail she will lose her child. I feel badly for her because of her situation, but I don't feel badly for making the money. Frankly, I don't even know if the story is completely true. A strip club is a free market economy where consumers can spend their money however they please, and this girl's bad luck DOES NOT make her any more entitled to make money than me. However, not everyone in the dressing room shares my opinion.

    I'd never actually tell her "tough shit, learn to market yourself". I just told her I was sorry and to go back out there and ASK for some cash. He was still there and probably would have given it to her. She refused.

    Am I a horrible bitch, or just a good salesperson?

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    I dont think you did anything wrong at all.

    I hope to be as polished and fabulous a dancer as you are, thanks for being a great role model
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    I don't think that's ruthless. From what you've described you haven't done anything discourteous or even edging discourtesy. He asked you to come over, you did. He liked you, and he spent money on you. I mean, what were you going to say "No, thanks - that girl might have ovarian cancer - spend it on her instead"? You had dances from other girls, so it actually sounds like you were fairly congenial to me - like you weren't all "No, don't get a dance from her, because that is $20 less that you'll have to give me at the end of the night".

    Normally I don't jump on the "they're just jealous" train, but if you've accurately described the situation - they really are just jealous. The fact that you feel that you are "polished" has nothing to do with it. None of us get paid based on "what we deserve" either from effort or character. It is just what people are willing to pay us for this kind of service. He liked you - he paid you. It's that simple.
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    I don't think there was anything wrong with your actions. You didn't handcuff yourself to that guy - if he wanted her he would have asked for her and excused you. He didn't. It's like...the carrots hating the potatoe chips at wal mart because nobodys buying them. It's not the chips fault. Ah ha. I don't know what I'm sayin. But yeah - there was nothing rude about what you did.

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    I think it's great you have it going on. It's sad the amount of women/girls in stripping not paying attention to details. Plus you are smart so you have alot beat hands down.
    You were not being ruthless. Just doing your job. He made his choice and it was you. The other women that are hating are just showing their ass -missing a cl. I hate it when they act like some guy owes them soething. Or that some customer is theirs. Then if that was true they'd be wearing the guys ring on thier finer. That's not what the guy is there for.
    Anyway. Ruthless you are not.

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    i totally agree i go towork hustle make money tips and leave!!!def agreee.girls its ajob im not gonna to talk for ever forfree that forsurrrr!!!!

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    i dont think its rude its being direct u know..take it or leave it its bthe way im ammm

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    Not a bitch at all. In fact, I think we're kindred.

    Not everyone in the dressing room shares the same opinion as you because like the sob story girl they aren't go-getters either. Fortunately it isn't a unionized environment and you can run circles around the slackers and screw-ups. And...Violation of probabtion? Sorry but that falls under an NMP (not my problem) in my book as in "Not my problem you can't get your shit together". The cancer part (if true) sucks, but her welfare still isn't your responsibility. Where I work we've always just gotten a collection together with a card for girls in desperate situations (provided they were nice), not rolled over and played dead on the floor so they could make more money. You don't owe anyone any explanations or apologies. We are all afforded basically the same opportunities to make money. The rest is up to us. Sure some are prettier, smarter, more charismatic etc, but it's the drive and dedication which determines who reeps the most. It's not personal, it's business.

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    Hun you know I am TOTALLY the Make Friends kind, but even I don't see what you did as anything but straightforward. Don't sweat it.
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    You are the type of stripper that other strippers should aspire to be.

    Weather it had to do with you being polished or just that you two clicked, you did nothing wrong.

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    *Puts on my "I wanna be like Viola" button.

    No, I don't think that was rutheless, I think that was good work. I am friendly to girls at work, but that's it. And if this stems from another thread here that's kind of similar...I kind of see where you're going with it.

    So, let's say that this guy DID come to see this other girl, and he was her reg. While you are sitting with him she comes and plops down on his lap...what would you have done, if anything?




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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeDWinter View Post
    Hun you know I am TOTALLY the Make Friends kind, but even I don't see what you did as anything but straightforward. Don't sweat it.
    Cocoa Beach dancers are crazy bitches! REPRESENT! but we're the good crazy, like Mariah Carey, and not the bad crazy like Tom Cruise.

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    Thanks goils I felt bad for a second.

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    Honestly, you didn't do anything wrong. That guy was in the club to be entertained, and it's up to him to decide how he wants to spend his money, point blank. There are no rules like, "Customer X has to spend A B and C money on these three girls..." It's his coin and he can spend it how he wants.
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    One of the problems with women in the workplace is that too many expect things to be fair. Rather than augment themselves, they get sulky and whiny and try to convince themselves and others that things aren't fair. Tough shit. You have put blood, sweat, and tears into your moneymaking, and it's paying off.

    You are not doing anything wrong. While you aren't succumbing to the "Everything must be fair" bullshit, you're also not actively fucking anyone over. It's not a bad thing to hustle somone's regular. She doesn't have legal rights to him.

    Here's a story that's a good calibration that you're not creeping into bitchiness:

    I once knew a horrible stripper whom I will refer to as Sociopath. Once, the barmaid's boyfriend came in to bring her dinner. Socio, knowing fully well that he was the barmaid's bf, hustled him hard while he was waiting for her to get a break so he could deliver the goods. When he turned her down, Socio went to the barmaid and screamed, "Bitch, you are ruining my business!" She also targeted a wonderful stripper named Angel. Angel is a saint. She nice but tough, is putting her kids through private school, paying off her house, and was going through a messy and expensive divorce. If all people were half as nice as her, the world would be a perfect place. Socio would roughly SHOVE Angel out of the way and steal the guys who Angel was hustling, rubbing it in her face. Her all time low punch was when Socio confronted Angel, saying that either Angel could quit now and make things easier for both of them, or Socio would tell the boss that Angel was stripping at different clubs and have her fired, never mind the fact that Angel was actually putting her money into things other than coke, a boob job, and a Mustang. Luckily, Angel is so sweet that everybody took her side, but Socio has been responsible for a lot of shit everywhere she's been.

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    agreed, IMHO there was absolutely nothing unethical about your 'business practices' with this customer. This other dancer seems to be carrying on as if she had something actively in progress with this customer which you deliberately cut in on. Being presented with a ripped $20 by this customer is as clear of a voluntary invitation as any dancer will ever get.

    Despite the $20 invitation providing you an opportunity, it was your other 'attributes' which caused the evening to turn out as financially rewarding as it did. If a different girl had received the invitation it's highly unlikely that she would have gotten more than a couple of dances from this customer if she did not have the 'goods', the conversational skills, and the things in common with this customer that you did. I smell misplaced jealousy at work.

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    The girl's sob story is most likely fake. Even if it isn't - it's not your fault she doesn't try.
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    I dont think that there is ANYthing wrong with what you did. Had the little girl who sulked all night tried to entertain him, or others instead of whining she may have gone home with extra cash.

    I used to care too much about people's feelings before, but once I get back in this game I will be exactly like you say... a shark. And ALWAYS in tip top shape/ etc...

    Good for you. Keep it up!

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    "OMG its dancers like you who FORCE me to do extras and get 'massage' work"

    (an actual line a girl used on me, cos I a) 'stole' her customers b) did a good stage show, and ACTUALLY STRIPPED when tipped
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    Just wanted to say--excellent job, you are the dancer we all aspire to be, you go girl, etc.

    But I have a question--lol the $800 part was murky--yr post made it sound like you asked him str8 up for $800, did you do that, or was it overall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isolabella View Post
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    Remember the bugs bunny cartoons with the sheepdog (Sam) and the coyote (Ralph)? They punch in together and are all polite, "Morning Ralph". Then the sheepdog would pummel the coyote and foil all of his attempts to nab sheep. I swear I feel like I might as well be saying "Morning Ralph" to every girl and guy I see at work.
    That's exactly right!! hehe that's funny.

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    There was nothing ruthless about your sale. You sold yourself. The customer is going to spend money on who he wants to. If obviously believe in your product-you and guys can see that and think your time is worth money. If other girls can't sell as well as you that is their problem. Maybe they should step their game up. As long as you do it with integrity you should be fine and those other girls can't touch your money making ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska View Post
    Just wanted to say--excellent job, you are the dancer we all aspire to be, you go girl, etc.

    But I have a question--lol the $800 part was murky--yr post made it sound like you asked him str8 up for $800, did you do that, or was it overall?
    I asked for it at the end of the night and he gave it to me.

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    Kudos to you, Viola!
    I'm jumping on the "you did nothing wrong" bandwagon and also saying you did everything right.

    I also encountered a Big Spender similar to yours who wanted me to "protect" him from other dancers who had such bad game they were obvious in their attempts to milk him of his money. While saying there was nothing I could do about him being approached by less than desirable girls except spend all night with him, I genuinely enjoyed spending time with him and of course I made money too. It was amazing to see the evil glares and bad attitudes I got when they realized he wanted me to stick by him - and he wanted nothing to do with them.

    If one of those girls had told me she possibly had cancer (or something like that), I'd wish her well and offer her a chance to talk about it on a break if she wanted (if we were cool like that). I don't think it would have been right of me to give up all that cash I was making for anyone else. We all have the same right to earn money as the next and it's truly survival of the fittest. I would NEVER expect anyone to hand me money! I work damn hard for every penny I earn. In fact, I think I deserve more. But I'd never put that on anyone else. If that makes me ruthless, then I'll be proud of that title.

    I also didn't approach him for a hustle myself - I was invited over. Not that it would have been wrong if I hustled him, but it turned out he liked something about me and wanted me to come over. It was my personality that allowed me to stay. And while you seem very physically beautiful, I'm sure that was the case with you too. Some of the most beautiful and "polished" dancers can have enormously lousy personalities.

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    Girls who don't know how to make money will ALWAYS look to the one who does to blame for their own shortcomings. I didn't read anything in your post that seemed ruthless or even close to poor stripper etiquette. If a guy ASKED for you to come over and CHOSE to spend money on you, that's HIS prerogative. WTF were you supposed to do, refuse his money or give it to the stupid girl? I can't stand whiny little twats like that - if you can't handle it hunny, go find another job.

    I am very cynical and don't believe any girls' sob stories, ESPECIALLY when they're hassling me for making more money than them.

    Crap like this is one reason I prefer to keep to myself at work. Unfortunately, sometimes it's impossible to avoid the drama so in this particular case I would NOT have apologized but simply said that "the guy ASKED me to come over and he CHOSE to spend money on me" and walked away. Let them stew. I don't care. If they start causing more trouble I would deal with it then but mostly I choose to just ignore the dumbasses and make my money.

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